Who will win, Copeland by-election, 2017
Poll: Who will win, Copeland by-election, 2017
Total Members Polled: 136
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Who will win, Copeland by-election, 2017
Labour - 16,750 - 42.3% - −3.7 swing
Conservative - 14,186 - 35.8% - −1.3 swing
UKIP - 6,148 - 15.5% - +13.2 swing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copeland_by-election...
Now that was close back in 2015!!
Labour - 16,750 - 42.3% - −3.7 swing
Conservative - 14,186 - 35.8% - −1.3 swing
UKIP - 6,148 - 15.5% - +13.2 swing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copeland_by-election...
Now that was close back in 2015!!
Murph7355 said:
Why no LibDems? Their leader's popular in that area isn't he? And wouldn't be far for him to help push his party...
That's South Lakeland, and saying Whitehaven is like Kendal, is a bit like saying Dagenham and Tower Hamlets are the same as they're in London.It'll be blue or red, and depend on the Labour candidate. Simples.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
I'll still be amazed if they vote anything other than red down there when push comes to shove.
Indeed.
I'm originally from the Copeland area and it's a classic "vote for a donkey if it has a red rosette on it" type place.
Just been reading a debate about this very matter on a Copeland Facebook group and one person posted that "it would be a cold day in Hell before they put a cross anywhere near a Conservative candidates name on a voting slip", and this idea seemed to be agreed with.
Before it was renamed Copeland in 1983, the constituency was called Whitehaven. The boundaries of the constituency were unchanged when it was renamed.
This constituency has returned Labour MPS since 1935.
Yes, 1935 !
That's 81 years of loyal Labour support.
If Labour cannot win this bi-election, then they are surely doomed.
I mentioned this in another thread last month, but it's worthy of a repost
This constituency has returned Labour MPS since 1935.
Yes, 1935 !
That's 81 years of loyal Labour support.
If Labour cannot win this bi-election, then they are surely doomed.
I mentioned this in another thread last month, but it's worthy of a repost
NinjaPower said:
Indeed.
I'm originally from the Copeland area and it's a classic "vote for a donkey if it has a red rosette on it" type place.
Just been reading a debate about this very matter on a Copeland Facebook group and one person posted that "it would be a cold day in Hell before they put a cross anywhere near a Conservative candidates name on a voting slip", and this idea seemed to be agreed with.
Tory narrow win IMO
FN2TypeR said:
NinjaPower said:
Indeed.
I'm originally from the Copeland area and it's a classic "vote for a donkey if it has a red rosette on it" type place.
Just been reading a debate about this very matter on a Copeland Facebook group and one person posted that "it would be a cold day in Hell before they put a cross anywhere near a Conservative candidates name on a voting slip", and this idea seemed to be agreed with.
Tory narrow win IMO
Mind you, it wouldn't be surprise me too much if Copeland inches towards the Conservatives. All the traditional industries have virtually gone (coal mines, iron ore, fishing, docks/harbour, soap powder production, factories, steelworks) and have been almost completely replaced by the enormous nuclear industry, which, from what I can ascertain, pays everyone £60k a year to do utterly mundane and basic tasks such as sweeping up or making tea.
The result is that Copeland is now incredibly 'New Money' and is a sea of white Range Rover Evoques on finance parked outside 3 bed semi's.
A politician once told my dad that "Sellafield has completely ruined a good workforce". And he was right. Whereas traditionally everyone had happily grafted in/on trawlers, mines, factories, docks etc, now none of them will get out of bed for less than £60k for a 35 hour week and 6 weeks holiday a year, oh, and the god given right to steal as much stuff from work as is humanly possible to carry out with you.
So yeah, the locals may want to distance themselves even further from their Trade Union past and vote Tory.
NinjaPower said:
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A politician once told my dad that "Sellafield has completely ruined a good workforce". And he was right. Whereas traditionally everyone had happily grafted in/on trawlers, mines, factories, docks etc, now none of them will get out of bed for less than £60k for a 35 hour week and 6 weeks holiday a year, ....
This makes them a "ruined workforce"? Because they're not doing "proper" jobs?A politician once told my dad that "Sellafield has completely ruined a good workforce". And he was right. Whereas traditionally everyone had happily grafted in/on trawlers, mines, factories, docks etc, now none of them will get out of bed for less than £60k for a 35 hour week and 6 weeks holiday a year, ....
The jobs we all do will have changed markedly in the next 20yrs, just as the jobs you and I do now are likely very different to those 20yrs ago. It's just "change".
NinjaPower said:
...oh, and the god given right to steal as much stuff from work as is humanly possible to carry out with you.....
Really? What sort of stuff are they nicking?I struggle to believe it's any worse than our nationalised, over-union'd industries were in the 70s.
NinjaPower said:
That will be quite something if it happens.
Mind you, it wouldn't be surprise me too much if Copeland inches towards the Conservatives. All the traditional industries have virtually gone (coal mines, iron ore, fishing, docks/harbour, soap powder production, factories, steelworks) and have been almost completely replaced by the enormous nuclear industry, which, from what I can ascertain, pays everyone £60k a year to do utterly mundane and basic tasks such as sweeping up or making tea.
The result is that Copeland is now incredibly 'New Money' and is a sea of white Range Rover Evoques on finance parked outside 3 bed semi's.
A politician once told my dad that "Sellafield has completely ruined a good workforce". And he was right. Whereas traditionally everyone had happily grafted in/on trawlers, mines, factories, docks etc, now none of them will get out of bed for less than £60k for a 35 hour week and 6 weeks holiday a year, oh, and the god given right to steal as much stuff from work as is humanly possible to carry out with you.
So yeah, the locals may want to distance themselves even further from their Trade Union past and vote Tory.
That sounds reasonably similar to here in Aberdeen, but now the tide has gone out and we're seeing who has been swimming naked.Mind you, it wouldn't be surprise me too much if Copeland inches towards the Conservatives. All the traditional industries have virtually gone (coal mines, iron ore, fishing, docks/harbour, soap powder production, factories, steelworks) and have been almost completely replaced by the enormous nuclear industry, which, from what I can ascertain, pays everyone £60k a year to do utterly mundane and basic tasks such as sweeping up or making tea.
The result is that Copeland is now incredibly 'New Money' and is a sea of white Range Rover Evoques on finance parked outside 3 bed semi's.
A politician once told my dad that "Sellafield has completely ruined a good workforce". And he was right. Whereas traditionally everyone had happily grafted in/on trawlers, mines, factories, docks etc, now none of them will get out of bed for less than £60k for a 35 hour week and 6 weeks holiday a year, oh, and the god given right to steal as much stuff from work as is humanly possible to carry out with you.
So yeah, the locals may want to distance themselves even further from their Trade Union past and vote Tory.
Murph7355 said:
NinjaPower said:
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A politician once told my dad that "Sellafield has completely ruined a good workforce". And he was right. Whereas traditionally everyone had happily grafted in/on trawlers, mines, factories, docks etc, now none of them will get out of bed for less than £60k for a 35 hour week and 6 weeks holiday a year, ....
This makes them a "ruined workforce"? Because they're not doing "proper" jobs?A politician once told my dad that "Sellafield has completely ruined a good workforce". And he was right. Whereas traditionally everyone had happily grafted in/on trawlers, mines, factories, docks etc, now none of them will get out of bed for less than £60k for a 35 hour week and 6 weeks holiday a year, ....
The jobs we all do will have changed markedly in the next 20yrs, just as the jobs you and I do now are likely very different to those 20yrs ago. It's just "change".
NinjaPower said:
...oh, and the god given right to steal as much stuff from work as is humanly possible to carry out with you.....
Really? What sort of stuff are they nicking?I struggle to believe it's any worse than our nationalised, over-union'd industries were in the 70s.
NinjaPower said:
I honestly don't know where to begin with further explaining sellafield. The stories about the place are simply staggering. I'll try to reply in detail later when I finish work.
Not being local to the area and not knowing the stories, I'm genuinely interested...assuming it's substance driven 
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