Once again the innocent man gets shamed.
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So Student gets found not guilty but is still named ?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/13/lawyer-...
Male students should not risk having sex with girls who have been drinking heavily for fear they could end up being accused of rape, a leading female barrister has warned.
Cathy McCulloch, a lawyer who specialises in sexual offence cases, said young men must be educated to understand the dangers of indulging in the casual drinking and sex culture that had engulfed British universities.
She said: "Even if they have not given the woman the alcohol, if they have watched them take their own alcohol, if that woman appears to be drunk they must not go there."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/13/lawyer-...
Male students should not risk having sex with girls who have been drinking heavily for fear they could end up being accused of rape, a leading female barrister has warned.
Cathy McCulloch, a lawyer who specialises in sexual offence cases, said young men must be educated to understand the dangers of indulging in the casual drinking and sex culture that had engulfed British universities.
She said: "Even if they have not given the woman the alcohol, if they have watched them take their own alcohol, if that woman appears to be drunk they must not go there."
As already said, the education should also apply to young women. In these cases it takes two to tango. A culture of mutual respect and honour can only be cultivated if all parties are involved in any education. It would also be good to acknowledge that any blame for this is shared to avoid disgruntled and patronised young men who have been subjected to a lesson, that they didn't actually need, and the implication that they are a potential rapist.
How come boys don't get the same reasoning? Any case of "he raped me" between two drunk people should instantly trigger "no, she raped me!"
(I know, technically/legally, girls cannot perform rape due to lack of a penis, but you know what I mean)
In the meantime, the second chap in that article does look like a bit of a bounder... and head of the debating soc too. I bet he dazzled them with words and good arguments as to why they should put out rather than with alcohol
(I know, technically/legally, girls cannot perform rape due to lack of a penis, but you know what I mean)
In the meantime, the second chap in that article does look like a bit of a bounder... and head of the debating soc too. I bet he dazzled them with words and good arguments as to why they should put out rather than with alcohol
mybrainhurts said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
This shouldn't be just about educating young men, it should also be about educating young women that they can't retrospectively withdraw consent blaming alcohol.
Don't let Cathy McCulloch hear you say that, or you're for the Comfy Chair...defblade said:
How come boys don't get the same reasoning? Any case of "he raped me" between two drunk people should instantly trigger "no, she raped me!"
(I know, technically/legally, girls cannot perform rape due to lack of a penis, but you know what I mean)
In the meantime, the second chap in that article does look like a bit of a bounder... and head of the debating soc too. I bet he dazzled them with words and good arguments as to why they should put out rather than with alcohol
Its certainaly a good example of where femenism liskes to have its cake and eat it, drawing from both pre and post equality ideals whatever and whenever it suits with an entitlement and no sense of the hypocrasy.(I know, technically/legally, girls cannot perform rape due to lack of a penis, but you know what I mean)
In the meantime, the second chap in that article does look like a bit of a bounder... and head of the debating soc too. I bet he dazzled them with words and good arguments as to why they should put out rather than with alcohol
PurpleMoonlight said:
This shouldn't be just about educating young men, it should also be about educating young women that they can't retrospectively withdraw consent blaming alcohol.
I feel sorry for the young lads of today. It is getting to the stage when they are going need to get a signed consent form before undertaking any sexual act.Seems a bit 'victim blaming' to say the girls should be educated too-they're not withdrawing consent at all, they're saying that they were never in a state to consent.
People need to be sure they have consent from someone who is in a fit state to give it.
If they have doubts whether that person can give consent, or whether they are able to judge it then they should back off.
It's not that hard to understand. I always think that people who say that they are withdrawing consent etc are placing the ability of men to have drunk sex above the rights of women not to be raped.
People need to be sure they have consent from someone who is in a fit state to give it.
If they have doubts whether that person can give consent, or whether they are able to judge it then they should back off.
It's not that hard to understand. I always think that people who say that they are withdrawing consent etc are placing the ability of men to have drunk sex above the rights of women not to be raped.
cookie118 said:
It's not that hard to understand. I always think that people who say that they are withdrawing consent etc are placing the ability of men to have drunk sex above the rights of women not to be raped.
If both parties are drunk why is it only the man gets prosecuted for a sexual offence?JagLover said:
I feel sorry for the young lads of today. It is getting to the stage when they are going need to get a signed consent form before undertaking any sexual act.
South park covered ithttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y1o_iY99eeA
cookie118 said:
Seems a bit 'victim blaming' to say the girls should be educated too-they're not withdrawing consent at all, they're saying that they were never in a state to consent.
People need to be sure they have consent from someone who is in a fit state to give it.
If they have doubts whether that person can give consent, or whether they are able to judge it then they should back off.
It's not that hard to understand. I always think that people who say that they are withdrawing consent etc are placing the ability of men to have drunk sex above the rights of women not to be raped.
All true and good, unless the consent is being withdrawn when they've sobered up!People need to be sure they have consent from someone who is in a fit state to give it.
If they have doubts whether that person can give consent, or whether they are able to judge it then they should back off.
It's not that hard to understand. I always think that people who say that they are withdrawing consent etc are placing the ability of men to have drunk sex above the rights of women not to be raped.
JagLover said:
I feel sorry for the young lads of today. It is getting to the stage when they are going need to get a signed consent form before undertaking any sexual act.
Ahh, but if she was too pissed to consent, and signed to give consent, then the consent wasn't consent at all because she was pissed and couldn't consent, even if she did consent, which she may, or may not have done. As a result you better be good looking the next day and call and bring flowers. Otherwise the consent really wasn't. It's very obvious when you think about it.ellroy said:
Ahh, but if she was too pissed to consent, and signed to give consent, then the consent wasn't consent at all because she was pissed and couldn't consent, even if she did consent, which she may, or may not have done. As a result you better be good looking the next day and call and bring flowers. Otherwise the consent really wasn't. It's very obvious when you think about it.
So what's need is a breathalyser linked to an app on a thumbprint scanner phone. If under the limit scan her print and then you are good to go.All assuming the drunk guy can remember to do all that, but if the alternative is to be arse raped in prison maybe they will ....
cookie118 said:
Seems a bit 'victim blaming' to say the girls should be educated too-they're not withdrawing consent at all, they're saying that they were never in a state to consent.
People need to be sure they have consent from someone who is in a fit state to give it.
If they have doubts whether that person can give consent, or whether they are able to judge it then they should back off.
It's not that hard to understand. I always think that people who say that they are withdrawing consent etc are placing the ability of men to have drunk sex above the rights of women not to be raped.
If being drunk means you can't give consent then it would seem that I have raped my wife on many occasions. People need to be sure they have consent from someone who is in a fit state to give it.
If they have doubts whether that person can give consent, or whether they are able to judge it then they should back off.
It's not that hard to understand. I always think that people who say that they are withdrawing consent etc are placing the ability of men to have drunk sex above the rights of women not to be raped.
I find it odd that if a couple are equally drunk the woman is deemed unable to give consent, but a man is deemed able to do work it out on her behalf.
If the consent could niot be given then the rape has occured even if the woman explicity agreed, and had no regrets the next day.
Whats worse is that men are named before anything has been proved. Sexual crimes carry a stigma that that sticks even if nothing comes of it.
Edited by 98elise on Saturday 14th January 12:57
CaptainSlow said:
If the legal definition of rape is penetration, would it be possible for a chap in a similar situation to this guy to accuse his accuser of raping him if he said she put a finger somewhere?
Technically it's penetration by a penis - so only men can rape.But as a poster above rightly points out - if both parties are drunk - then technically neither can give consent and as such a woman touching a man intimately or initiating intercourse should in theory be held accountable for sexual assault at a similar level of severity as rape.
The fact that a man might have an erection is irrelevant. It is an involuntary act and doesn't imply consent any more than a woman becoming 'lubricated' or even achieving orgasm does (as some genuine rape victims experience).
Edited by Moonhawk on Saturday 14th January 11:40
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