Our next King's Ladybird book about Climate Change.
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Well...in the confirmation bias echo-chamber of PH, it's all very amusing that Prince Charles should write a book about Climate Change. For those able to think critically and not believe every conspiracy theory on the internet, it's nice to see someone in the public eye doing something to promote a greener future.
Along with Flat Earthers, people who deny climate change really puzzle me. A reduction in global CO2 emissions would only be a positive thing for everyone....even if climate change actually wasn't a thing. Not once do I walk through a major city and think 'I love how chokingly smelly it is here with all these cars around'. The fact is, if the majority of the road traffic, and power production was switched to EVs and renewable, life would generally be a lot nicer. Cities would be a bit quieter, a lot cleaner, and generally more pleasant.
Many on here seem to think that a reduction in CO2 means they won't be able to own a V8. The reality is that's rubbish. Classic ICE cars won't be banned (they will make up a tiny insignificant proportion of road traffic) and in our life time, it's unlikely that sports cars and supercars will all be BEVs. 911s will be, at the worst, PHEVs and your daily driver will probably be a 400hp BEV which will be better in every way than then equivalent petrol car you would have had. And we'll still have the royal family....
Along with Flat Earthers, people who deny climate change really puzzle me. A reduction in global CO2 emissions would only be a positive thing for everyone....even if climate change actually wasn't a thing. Not once do I walk through a major city and think 'I love how chokingly smelly it is here with all these cars around'. The fact is, if the majority of the road traffic, and power production was switched to EVs and renewable, life would generally be a lot nicer. Cities would be a bit quieter, a lot cleaner, and generally more pleasant.
Many on here seem to think that a reduction in CO2 means they won't be able to own a V8. The reality is that's rubbish. Classic ICE cars won't be banned (they will make up a tiny insignificant proportion of road traffic) and in our life time, it's unlikely that sports cars and supercars will all be BEVs. 911s will be, at the worst, PHEVs and your daily driver will probably be a 400hp BEV which will be better in every way than then equivalent petrol car you would have had. And we'll still have the royal family....
RacerMike said:
Well...in the confirmation bias echo-chamber of PH, it's all very amusing that Prince Charles should write a book about Climate Change. For those able to think critically and not believe every conspiracy theory on the internet, it's nice to see someone in the public eye doing something to promote a greener future.
Along with Flat Earthers, people who deny climate change really puzzle me. A reduction in global CO2 emissions would only be a positive thing for everyone....even if climate change actually wasn't a thing. Not once do I walk through a major city and think 'I love how chokingly smelly it is here with all these cars around'. The fact is, if the majority of the road traffic, and power production was switched to EVs and renewable, life would generally be a lot nicer. Cities would be a bit quieter, a lot cleaner, and generally more pleasant.
Many on here seem to think that a reduction in CO2 means they won't be able to own a V8. The reality is that's rubbish. Classic ICE cars won't be banned (they will make up a tiny insignificant proportion of road traffic) and in our life time, it's unlikely that sports cars and supercars will all be BEVs. 911s will be, at the worst, PHEVs and your daily driver will probably be a 400hp BEV which will be better in every way than then equivalent petrol car you would have had. And we'll still have the royal family....
Along with Flat Earthers, people who deny climate change really puzzle me. A reduction in global CO2 emissions would only be a positive thing for everyone....even if climate change actually wasn't a thing. Not once do I walk through a major city and think 'I love how chokingly smelly it is here with all these cars around'. The fact is, if the majority of the road traffic, and power production was switched to EVs and renewable, life would generally be a lot nicer. Cities would be a bit quieter, a lot cleaner, and generally more pleasant.
Many on here seem to think that a reduction in CO2 means they won't be able to own a V8. The reality is that's rubbish. Classic ICE cars won't be banned (they will make up a tiny insignificant proportion of road traffic) and in our life time, it's unlikely that sports cars and supercars will all be BEVs. 911s will be, at the worst, PHEVs and your daily driver will probably be a 400hp BEV which will be better in every way than then equivalent petrol car you would have had. And we'll still have the royal family....
RacerMike said:
Well...in the confirmation bias echo-chamber of PH, it's all very amusing that Prince Charles should write a book about Climate Change. For those able to think critically and not believe every conspiracy theory on the internet, it's nice to see someone in the public eye doing something to promote a greener future.
Along with Flat Earthers, people who deny climate change really puzzle me. A reduction in global CO2 emissions would only be a positive thing for everyone....even if climate change actually wasn't a thing. Not once do I walk through a major city and think 'I love how chokingly smelly it is here with all these cars around'. The fact is, if the majority of the road traffic, and power production was switched to EVs and renewable, life would generally be a lot nicer. Cities would be a bit quieter, a lot cleaner, and generally more pleasant.
Many on here seem to think that a reduction in CO2 means they won't be able to own a V8. The reality is that's rubbish. Classic ICE cars won't be banned (they will make up a tiny insignificant proportion of road traffic) and in our life time, it's unlikely that sports cars and supercars will all be BEVs. 911s will be, at the worst, PHEVs and your daily driver will probably be a 400hp BEV which will be better in every way than then equivalent petrol car you would have had. And we'll still have the royal family....
The government incentivised diesel by basing the taxation and BIK system off the CO2 it produces.........I don't think that worked out very well.Along with Flat Earthers, people who deny climate change really puzzle me. A reduction in global CO2 emissions would only be a positive thing for everyone....even if climate change actually wasn't a thing. Not once do I walk through a major city and think 'I love how chokingly smelly it is here with all these cars around'. The fact is, if the majority of the road traffic, and power production was switched to EVs and renewable, life would generally be a lot nicer. Cities would be a bit quieter, a lot cleaner, and generally more pleasant.
Many on here seem to think that a reduction in CO2 means they won't be able to own a V8. The reality is that's rubbish. Classic ICE cars won't be banned (they will make up a tiny insignificant proportion of road traffic) and in our life time, it's unlikely that sports cars and supercars will all be BEVs. 911s will be, at the worst, PHEVs and your daily driver will probably be a 400hp BEV which will be better in every way than then equivalent petrol car you would have had. And we'll still have the royal family....
RacerMike said:
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Along with Flat Earthers, people who deny climate change really puzzle me. A reduction in global CO2 emissions would only be a positive thing for everyone....even if climate change actually wasn't a thing. Not once do I walk through a major city and think 'I love how chokingly smelly it is here with all these cars around'. The fact is, if the majority of the road traffic, and power production was switched to EVs and renewable, life would generally be a lot nicer. Cities would be a bit quieter, a lot cleaner, and generally more pleasant.....
Isn't CO2 odorless? And don't trees like it?Along with Flat Earthers, people who deny climate change really puzzle me. A reduction in global CO2 emissions would only be a positive thing for everyone....even if climate change actually wasn't a thing. Not once do I walk through a major city and think 'I love how chokingly smelly it is here with all these cars around'. The fact is, if the majority of the road traffic, and power production was switched to EVs and renewable, life would generally be a lot nicer. Cities would be a bit quieter, a lot cleaner, and generally more pleasant.....
Has anyone ever disagreed that the climate changes?
Murph7355 said:
RacerMike said:
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Along with Flat Earthers, people who deny climate change really puzzle me. A reduction in global CO2 emissions would only be a positive thing for everyone....even if climate change actually wasn't a thing. Not once do I walk through a major city and think 'I love how chokingly smelly it is here with all these cars around'. The fact is, if the majority of the road traffic, and power production was switched to EVs and renewable, life would generally be a lot nicer. Cities would be a bit quieter, a lot cleaner, and generally more pleasant.....
Isn't CO2 odorless? And don't trees like it?Along with Flat Earthers, people who deny climate change really puzzle me. A reduction in global CO2 emissions would only be a positive thing for everyone....even if climate change actually wasn't a thing. Not once do I walk through a major city and think 'I love how chokingly smelly it is here with all these cars around'. The fact is, if the majority of the road traffic, and power production was switched to EVs and renewable, life would generally be a lot nicer. Cities would be a bit quieter, a lot cleaner, and generally more pleasant.....
Has anyone ever disagreed that the climate changes?
The condescending and abusive manner from scientifically needy green religious zealots will continue without much change.
Murph7355 said:
Isn't CO2 odorless? And don't trees like it?
Has anyone ever disagreed that the climate changes?
OK....I should have specified not just CO2 in that, but the ongoing thread on here about climate change where people like turbobloke pick apart scientific research and 'debunk' it in a manner similar to people who claim to 'debunk' the evidence that the earth is round or 'prove' the the MMR vaccine gives children Autism.Has anyone ever disagreed that the climate changes?
Of course the fact is that people on here are car enthusiasts (me included) and the idea that the freedom to buy a V8 sports saloon may be impinged upon is unsavory. By agreeing with each other that the vast raft of scientific research that points to the global warming we see now is incorrect, and it is instead just 'natural variation' means that they can continue to bash BEVs as a rubbish idea thought up as a money making exercise by our reptilian overlords.
Arguing this point on here is pointless as absolutely every angle has been covered ad-nauseum on the Climate Change thread. The thing is though, the likelihood is that in 40 years, we'll all still be able to buy ICE powered sports cars, drive E46 M3s (if we so wish/the world hasn't run out of E46 rear springs and/or boot floors) but cities will be much nicer places to be, as all the crappy Clio's/Fiesta's/Golfs/Focus and buses will have been replaced with BEVs.
Oh...and actually the DERV thing did work....it's just unfortunate that in the fantastically reactionary world we currently live in, the media (not scientists) jumped on a band wagon to 'oust' the evil car companies, failing to do any research and realise that the current Euro 6 and newer diesels are as 'clean' as any current gas powered car....but with poorer fuel economy....hence CO2 levels have risen again due to people switching from DERV to Petrol.
Murph7355 said:
RacerMike said:
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Along with Flat Earthers, people who deny climate change really puzzle me. A reduction in global CO2 emissions would only be a positive thing for everyone....even if climate change actually wasn't a thing. Not once do I walk through a major city and think 'I love how chokingly smelly it is here with all these cars around'. The fact is, if the majority of the road traffic, and power production was switched to EVs and renewable, life would generally be a lot nicer. Cities would be a bit quieter, a lot cleaner, and generally more pleasant.....
Isn't CO2 odorless? And don't trees like it?Along with Flat Earthers, people who deny climate change really puzzle me. A reduction in global CO2 emissions would only be a positive thing for everyone....even if climate change actually wasn't a thing. Not once do I walk through a major city and think 'I love how chokingly smelly it is here with all these cars around'. The fact is, if the majority of the road traffic, and power production was switched to EVs and renewable, life would generally be a lot nicer. Cities would be a bit quieter, a lot cleaner, and generally more pleasant.....
Has anyone ever disagreed that the climate changes?
turbobloke said:
The condescending and abusive manner from scientifically needy green religious zealots will continue without much change.
Condescending and abusive? I can understand the condescending bit as Scientists are often on the spectrum/poor at communicating and rather elitist in the way they can deliver things sometimes, but abusive? Can't say I've seen many scientists beating people up or shouting abusive words at people about climate change! RacerMike said:
Condescending and abusive? I can understand the condescending bit as Scientists are often on the spectrum/poor at communicating and rather elitist in the way they can deliver things sometimes, but abusive? Can't say I've seen many scientists beating people up or shouting abusive words at people about climate change!
I'm sure Darwin and Wallace appeared condescending to those who believed god done it. And as for that upstart Einstein, didn't he realise that the world would end if Newton was wrong?I've read various figures with regards the consensus amongst scientists that man has a significant effect on climate change. It is overwhelming. I know that all but 100% of scientists believed in Newton's explanation of gravity, but changing the theory did not alter the fact that there's just about 1G on the surface of the world.
All the ones I've seen on YT saying that MMGM is a myth seem to be, how can I say, 'of a type'. I would not buy a pencil off most. Listen to Malcolm Roberts (who disputes evolution, and in his case I might go along with him) and his arguments that NASA is colluding with unnamed others to corrupt the figures and then put his face to those on here who argue from ignorance. It all becomes clear.
On a slightly different note; one should not dismiss evidence just because one doesn't particularly like the manner in which it is presented.
RacerMike said:
turbobloke said:
The condescending and abusive manner from scientifically needy green religious zealots will continue without much change.
Condescending and abusive? I can understand the condescending bit as Scientists are often on the spectrum/poor at communicating and rather elitist in the way they can deliver things sometimes,
A few centuries ago it was so cold in winter the river Thames would freeze every year thick enough to have fairs on it.
A few centuries previous to that it was so warm in the UK that grapes were grown up north.
Climate change is real but it is a natural process.
All this green business is just a way of making new taxes.
A few centuries previous to that it was so warm in the UK that grapes were grown up north.
Climate change is real but it is a natural process.
All this green business is just a way of making new taxes.
dudleybloke said:
A few centuries ago it was so cold in winter the river Thames would freeze every year thick enough to have fairs on it.
A few centuries previous to that it was so warm in the UK that grapes were grown up north.
Climate change is real but it is a natural process.
All this green business is just a way of making new taxes.
Seems legit.A few centuries previous to that it was so warm in the UK that grapes were grown up north.
Climate change is real but it is a natural process.
All this green business is just a way of making new taxes.
Do you think man has no impact on the climate then?
El stovey said:
Seems legit.
Do you think man has no impact on the climate then?
I'm not saying we have no impact on the climate but I am saying any impact we make is insignificant compared to natural forces that have existed before humanity, let alone industrialisation.Do you think man has no impact on the climate then?
If there was real proof of mmcc they wouldn't need to lie and fudge the numbers, then fudge the numbers again when their predictions have been proven wrong.
RacerMike said:
OK....I should have specified not just CO2 in that, but the ongoing thread on here about climate change where people like turbobloke pick apart scientific research and 'debunk' it in a manner similar to people who claim to 'debunk' the evidence that the earth is round or 'prove' the the MMR vaccine gives children Autism.
Of course the fact is that people on here are car enthusiasts (me included) and the idea that the freedom to buy a V8 sports saloon may be impinged upon is unsavory. By agreeing with each other that the vast raft of scientific research that points to the global warming we see now is incorrect, and it is instead just 'natural variation' means that they can continue to bash BEVs as a rubbish idea thought up as a money making exercise by our reptilian overlords.
Arguing this point on here is pointless as absolutely every angle has been covered ad-nauseum on the Climate Change thread. The thing is though, the likelihood is that in 40 years, we'll all still be able to buy ICE powered sports cars, drive E46 M3s (if we so wish/the world hasn't run out of E46 rear springs and/or boot floors) but cities will be much nicer places to be, as all the crappy Clio's/Fiesta's/Golfs/Focus and buses will have been replaced with BEVs.
Oh...and actually the DERV thing did work....it's just unfortunate that in the fantastically reactionary world we currently live in, the media (not scientists) jumped on a band wagon to 'oust' the evil car companies, failing to do any research and realise that the current Euro 6 and newer diesels are as 'clean' as any current gas powered car....but with poorer fuel economy....hence CO2 levels have risen again due to people switching from DERV to Petrol.
so in other words it's actually nothing more than a scam to cream more tax out of the general populace as nothing is really going to be done about it ? my understanding of the way it works with the climate change prophecy is you are either in or out. Of course the fact is that people on here are car enthusiasts (me included) and the idea that the freedom to buy a V8 sports saloon may be impinged upon is unsavory. By agreeing with each other that the vast raft of scientific research that points to the global warming we see now is incorrect, and it is instead just 'natural variation' means that they can continue to bash BEVs as a rubbish idea thought up as a money making exercise by our reptilian overlords.
Arguing this point on here is pointless as absolutely every angle has been covered ad-nauseum on the Climate Change thread. The thing is though, the likelihood is that in 40 years, we'll all still be able to buy ICE powered sports cars, drive E46 M3s (if we so wish/the world hasn't run out of E46 rear springs and/or boot floors) but cities will be much nicer places to be, as all the crappy Clio's/Fiesta's/Golfs/Focus and buses will have been replaced with BEVs.
Oh...and actually the DERV thing did work....it's just unfortunate that in the fantastically reactionary world we currently live in, the media (not scientists) jumped on a band wagon to 'oust' the evil car companies, failing to do any research and realise that the current Euro 6 and newer diesels are as 'clean' as any current gas powered car....but with poorer fuel economy....hence CO2 levels have risen again due to people switching from DERV to Petrol.
the co2 reduction mooted by those supposedly in the know required to save the planet would see the global economy virtually shut down in the next twenty years to achieve the reductions proposed. if this were to happen the scientifically defined temperature reduction by 2100 would be 0.05 c.
are you willing to give up your current lifestyle to achieve that ?
i don't think you have had much of look at what is being proposed as required in the near future to save the planet.
wc98 said:
RacerMike said:
OK....I should have specified not just CO2 in that, but the ongoing thread on here about climate change where people like turbobloke pick apart scientific research and 'debunk' it in a manner similar to people who claim to 'debunk' the evidence that the earth is round or 'prove' the the MMR vaccine gives children Autism.
Of course the fact is that people on here are car enthusiasts (me included) and the idea that the freedom to buy a V8 sports saloon may be impinged upon is unsavory. By agreeing with each other that the vast raft of scientific research that points to the global warming we see now is incorrect, and it is instead just 'natural variation' means that they can continue to bash BEVs as a rubbish idea thought up as a money making exercise by our reptilian overlords.
Arguing this point on here is pointless as absolutely every angle has been covered ad-nauseum on the Climate Change thread. The thing is though, the likelihood is that in 40 years, we'll all still be able to buy ICE powered sports cars, drive E46 M3s (if we so wish/the world hasn't run out of E46 rear springs and/or boot floors) but cities will be much nicer places to be, as all the crappy Clio's/Fiesta's/Golfs/Focus and buses will have been replaced with BEVs.
Oh...and actually the DERV thing did work....it's just unfortunate that in the fantastically reactionary world we currently live in, the media (not scientists) jumped on a band wagon to 'oust' the evil car companies, failing to do any research and realise that the current Euro 6 and newer diesels are as 'clean' as any current gas powered car....but with poorer fuel economy....hence CO2 levels have risen again due to people switching from DERV to Petrol.
so in other words it's actually nothing more than a scam to cream more tax out of the general populace as nothing is really going to be done about it ? my understanding of the way it works with the climate change prophecy is you are either in or out. Of course the fact is that people on here are car enthusiasts (me included) and the idea that the freedom to buy a V8 sports saloon may be impinged upon is unsavory. By agreeing with each other that the vast raft of scientific research that points to the global warming we see now is incorrect, and it is instead just 'natural variation' means that they can continue to bash BEVs as a rubbish idea thought up as a money making exercise by our reptilian overlords.
Arguing this point on here is pointless as absolutely every angle has been covered ad-nauseum on the Climate Change thread. The thing is though, the likelihood is that in 40 years, we'll all still be able to buy ICE powered sports cars, drive E46 M3s (if we so wish/the world hasn't run out of E46 rear springs and/or boot floors) but cities will be much nicer places to be, as all the crappy Clio's/Fiesta's/Golfs/Focus and buses will have been replaced with BEVs.
Oh...and actually the DERV thing did work....it's just unfortunate that in the fantastically reactionary world we currently live in, the media (not scientists) jumped on a band wagon to 'oust' the evil car companies, failing to do any research and realise that the current Euro 6 and newer diesels are as 'clean' as any current gas powered car....but with poorer fuel economy....hence CO2 levels have risen again due to people switching from DERV to Petrol.
the co2 reduction mooted by those supposedly in the know required to save the planet would see the global economy virtually shut down in the next twenty years to achieve the reductions proposed. if this were to happen the scientifically defined temperature reduction by 2100 would be 0.05 c.
are you willing to give up your current lifestyle to achieve that ?
i don't think you have had much of look at what is being proposed as required in the near future to save the planet.
But yes, I am fully aware that we must all greatly reduce our carbon footprint. I do what I can, although am well aware that I have a long way to go...
RacerMike said:
I’m aware of the drastic changes yes, and if we have to do that then so be it. Being an engineer I hope we can find solutions to the problems with technology. Nuclear power would be a good start....
surely the trouble with nuclear is that it has large up front costs, large back end costs and not that much cheaper in betweenIdeally once you have a model for a working plant, you just repeat that for new ones
So why isnt Sizewell being repeated at Hinkley and Anglesey?
RacerMike said:
Well...in the confirmation bias echo-chamber of PH, it's all very amusing that Prince Charles should write a book about Climate Change. For those able to think critically and not believe every conspiracy theory on the internet, it's nice to see someone in the public eye doing something to promote a greener future.
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