The Police need their hands untied..

The Police need their hands untied..

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Saleen836

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11,061 posts

208 months

Sunday 15th January 2017
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The government seriously need to sort out policing as lawlessness is getting out of hand..
https://www.facebook.com/BikerandBikeUK/videos/770...

apologies for FB link couldn't find it elsewhere

Collectingbrass

2,197 posts

194 months

Sunday 15th January 2017
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The only way to deal with this is more cash & resources for the police & criminal justice system - including legal aid for the defence, rehabilitation after punishment (risk of being caught as a deterrent isn't enough to stop crime, you need to get the toe rags doing something else more productive)

So how much more tax do you want to pay and where do you want the extra courts, prisons & rehab hostels built?

MikeGTi

2,497 posts

200 months

Sunday 15th January 2017
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anonymous said:
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Wait until they get some decent speed up first though, make it really hurt.

catso

14,770 posts

266 months

Sunday 15th January 2017
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Looks suspiciously like the same person (with the 'Roof' helmet) that has been discussed at length on Biker Banter.

Said person has openly offered stolen bikes for sale on facebook. His facebook profile shows his face, his name, his address, his place of work and his phone number but it doesn't seem the Police are interested.

One day he'll hopefully get his comeuppance when he messes with the wrong person, sad thing is the person who 'sorts him out' will no doubt be pursued by the Police...

Derek Smith

45,512 posts

247 months

Sunday 15th January 2017
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Times change and the threat of Facebook is ever present.

The papers used to love criticising the police in pursuits. In my area we had a PC start to follow a 4x4. He abandoned the follow withing 15 - 20 secs due to the nature of driving. The area was sealed off and we waited for another sighting. However, the 4x4 had hit a concrete block which cause it to turn over and fall about 25 feet. The passenger died - not wearing a seatbelt.

We got local and national coverage of 'Death during a police pursuit'. I didn't bother reading the comments of the next of kin, but, no doubt, he was a promising footballer, as well as having loads of precons. This was before the Twitter, or do I means Twits?, age and the fuss soon died and the IPCC enquiry eventually suggested that the police had not behaved incorrectly. That is the same as behaving correctly I would have thought, but the IPCC chose the other phrase.

Nowadays there'd have been a vigil, a thread on here saying that we should do things differently and that the PC should lose his pension.

When I was an inspector in the control rooms the system changed. Initially we had to have a reason to abandon a pursuit but within a year or two, and in response to the criticism of the death during a pursuit, as above, it went to justifying each pursuit. So on every serial the first thing I had to type in was why I was allowing the pursuit to continue. So the driver would be asked the reason for the pursuit, the weather conditions, visibility, amount of traffic, road conditions and the state of his mother-in-law's health.

We had a bus stolen and driven through a coastal town at speed. I justified the pursuit due to the danger present to the public. I was criticised for doing so by my supervisor for the same reason.


BlackLabel

13,251 posts

122 months

Sunday 15th January 2017
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A brick through an open car window - fking hell, what bds.

powerstroke

10,283 posts

159 months

Sunday 15th January 2017
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I think the police should be sent to Texas for retraining , then they will know two new ways how to deal with failiure to stop 1 ram them 2 shoot them hehe

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 15th January 2017
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I don't see a pursuit. I see 10 seconds where a police bike is catching up to the filming bike. The filming bike could have easily stopped after the recording ends. The overtake of the police car doesn't look like anything other than an overtake, too.

Saleen836 said:
The government seriously need to sort out policing as lawlessness is getting out of hand.
Is it really? That sounds a rather melodramatic.

Derek Smith said:
Nowadays there'd have been a vigil, a thread on here saying that we should do things differently and that the PC should lose his pension.
Here's someone who died on a moped after failing to stop: http://www.standard.co.uk/incoming/hundreds-join-n...

And the PH thread, which to be fair, only contains one person who is a fool: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...




Derek Smith

45,512 posts

247 months

Sunday 15th January 2017
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La Liga said:
ere's someone who died on a moped after failing to stop: http://www.standard.co.uk/incoming/hundreds-join-n...

And the PH thread, which to be fair, only contains one person who is a fool: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
There's another aspect to this type of criticism regarding pursuits.

I was in an unmarked supervision car when there was a call to a man threatening a police officer with a knife. There were no cars near me so I put on the two tones and did a U-turn. As I did so I came up behind a car and it suddenly accelerated off, comfortably exceeding the speed limit. I radioed the index number but carried on to the scene of the man with a knife which meant going along in the same direction as the speeding car.

I turned off before the car was lost to sight but I wondered at the time if it could be described as a pursuit. Following the logic of the criticisms of the police action above, I would have been the cause of any injuries/deaths in the other car if it had had an accident.

The car was not shown lost or stolen although it was found abandoned near to the RO's address. The following day it was reported as stolen.


wc98

10,334 posts

139 months

Sunday 15th January 2017
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La Liga said:
The overtake of the police car doesn't look like anything other than an overtake, too.
might be worth turning your volume up. it looked and sounded to me that the wing mirror was knocked off with a hammer.

SkrrSkrr

261 posts

88 months

Sunday 15th January 2017
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More from them: https://www.instagram.com/p/BPSoyifjAJh/?taken-by=...

They are even getting away from helicopters



Edited by SkrrSkrr on Sunday 15th January 16:35

wc98

10,334 posts

139 months

Sunday 15th January 2017
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SkrrSkrr said:
More from them: https://www.instagram.com/p/BPSoyifjAJh/?taken-by=...

They are even getting away from helocopters

Edited by SkrrSkrr on Sunday 15th January 16:27
i am quite surprised one of the owners of the bikes they steal and his mates haven't caved their heads in yet as they are fairly easy to find by all accounts. to be fair they will be smeared all over the road soon enough so probably not worth the hassle.when they do wipe out i hope someone posts it on faecesbook,morongram or ttter so we can all laugh.

catso

14,770 posts

266 months

Sunday 15th January 2017
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wc98 said:
i am quite surprised one of the owners of the bikes they steal and his mates haven't caved their heads in yet as they are fairly easy to find by all accounts.
They are very blatant, probably because the law won't do anything? Yet should a registered, taxed motorcyclist break any 'compliance' law they spare no effort to bring them to book.

There are many videos, clearly showing one of the perps, here's a link to a facebook page offering stolen bikes for sale from another thread;



He even gives his address and phone number out to potential purchasers.

Surely enough info for the law to at least consider investigating further, yet they prefer to sit in a camera van or look at street CCTV for bus lane/parking infractions.

Theft of property may not be a high priority to them but it's only a matter of time before something much more serious happens - Shame on them...

jogger1976

1,251 posts

125 months

Sunday 15th January 2017
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I don't want this to develop into the usual police bashing thread, but can any of the PH resident BIB please explain why the local force has not followed up the evidence on this?
Is it that the FB evidence is not enough, or is given that this is taking place in London, is it just not a Met priority at present?

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

166 months

Sunday 15th January 2017
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jogger1976 said:
I don't want this to develop into the usual police bashing thread, but can any of the PH resident BIB please explain why the local force has not followed up the evidence on this?
Is it that the FB evidence is not enough, or is given that this is taking place in London, is it just not a Met priority at present?
You'd think it would be quite easy to wait for him to be in and ask the gentleman if he'd like to answer a few questions and if he'd be so kind as to allow them to look at his phone.

I don't blame them for not knocking the little st off his bike, but do wonder which Premier League football team he's had trial with.

Tryke3

1,609 posts

93 months

Sunday 15th January 2017
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Sick of tires of these europeans coming here stealing bricks to throw at porsche drivers hehe

Btw, all this is the fault of Theresa May just in case you are confused

don4l

10,058 posts

175 months

Sunday 15th January 2017
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Tryke3 said:
Sick of tires of these europeans coming here stealing bricks to throw at porsche drivers hehe

Btw, all this is the fault of Theresa May just in case you are confused
Are you an immigrant?


Tryke3

1,609 posts

93 months

Sunday 15th January 2017
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Possibly ,not really sure where to go though , Bavaria or Italy hehe

Do i need to be angry little man to post on here ?




Edited by Tryke3 on Sunday 15th January 19:28

Jazzy Jag

3,412 posts

90 months

Sunday 15th January 2017
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Looks like his FaceAche page has disappeared


anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 15th January 2017
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In terms of any action. I'm not going to start piecing things together by going through social media, but I'd be surprised if nothing were being done if it's as clear as people are making out on here. Naturally, something could already have been done. Do we know he's not on bail for various matters, for example?

wc98 said:
La Liga said:
The overtake of the police car doesn't look like anything other than an overtake, too.
might be worth turning your volume up. it looked and sounded to me that the wing mirror was knocked off with a hammer.
He was carrying a hammer when looking at it again.