The Police need their hands untied..
Discussion
Willy Nilly said:
I don't blame them for not knocking the little s
t off his bike, but do wonder which Premier League football team he's had trial with.
I was playing Sunday football on Blackheath one day. I wasn't in the team but drove a couple of mates there. They were short and I'd agreed to play. I was rubbish. I was fast but the ball confused me. The only saving grace was that I wasn't the worst one on our side. He, let's call him Rodney, had one distinct advantage, his parents ran a pub.t off his bike, but do wonder which Premier League football team he's had trial with. I crossed a ball and it didn't go where I wanted. It went to Rodney and no one ever passed to him. Even so it was dropping vertically. He brought it down out of the reach of a defender, tapped it through his legs then kicked it wildly. It dropped to the feet of our only good player, a dirty great centre forward of the old school, and we scored.
Instead of congratulating the scorer we all ran over to Rodney to congratulate him for kicking the ball, but a bloke in an overcoat had walked onto the pitch. He was a Charlton scout and has asked Rod to a trial.
At the pub afterwards we asked him if he was going to go. He knew he was crap. He was told often enough. He just said, Why not? He said he lasted about ten minutes, which was a bonus to him. From then on we all referred to him as 'the chap who had a trial for Charlton'. I was a bit miffed. I was nearly as rubbish as Rod but no one asked me for a trial.
.don4l said:
Tryke3 said:
Sick of tires of these europeans coming here stealing bricks to throw at porsche drivers 
Btw, all this is the fault of Theresa May just in case you are confused
Are you an immigrant?Btw, all this is the fault of Theresa May just in case you are confused
wc98 said:
don4l said:
Tryke3 said:
Sick of tires of these europeans coming here stealing bricks to throw at porsche drivers
Btw, all this is the fault of Theresa May just in case you are confused
Are you an immigrant?Btw, all this is the fault of Theresa May just in case you are confused
t englishCollectingbrass said:
The only way to deal with this is more cash & resources for the police & criminal justice system - including legal aid for the defence, rehabilitation after punishment (risk of being caught as a deterrent isn't enough to stop crime, you need to get the toe rags doing something else more productive)
So how much more tax do you want to pay and where do you want the extra courts, prisons & rehab hostels built?
I assume you're taking the pish ?? All I saw and see from working in and with government etc is they need to get their act together and rationalise things a lot further rather than expecting an ever growing money tree and political capital needs to be be removed from the decision making process but unfortunately I don't see that happening as lots of people want to "justify their jobs" heck why would turkeys vote for Christmas.So how much more tax do you want to pay and where do you want the extra courts, prisons & rehab hostels built?
speedyguy said:
Collectingbrass said:
The only way to deal with this is more cash & resources for the police & criminal justice system - including legal aid for the defence, rehabilitation after punishment (risk of being caught as a deterrent isn't enough to stop crime, you need to get the toe rags doing something else more productive)
So how much more tax do you want to pay and where do you want the extra courts, prisons & rehab hostels built?
I assume you're taking the pish ?? All I saw and see from working in and with government etc is they need to get their act together and rationalise things a lot further rather than expecting an ever growing money tree and political capital needs to be be removed from the decision making process but unfortunately I don't see that happening as lots of people want to "justify their jobs" heck why would turkeys vote for Christmas.So how much more tax do you want to pay and where do you want the extra courts, prisons & rehab hostels built?
It will also mean we need a jail to hold him and the rehabilitation & education inside & jobs outside to ensure he doesn't come straight back out and reoffend. Society will need to be willing to build & pay for more jails - the recent riots show the prosion service don't have much more to give - and society needs to be willing to house rehabilitating offenders somewhere, but it's easier to get a racetrack approved by the NIMBYS than a hostel.
SkrrSkrr said:
"miguel_bikelife@_jtaxx wanneer gaan wij deze gooien op de quad?"Eh?
The little gang in croydon is 20x worse, i have seen a video where they were doing burnouts in front of a police car. They dont care
Theres no police left because Theresa May had to prove money saving can be achieved without braking a service, like prisons, healthcare, education etc... mind you all doing quite well
She's terrible leader, her time as home sec proves it
Theres no police left because Theresa May had to prove money saving can be achieved without braking a service, like prisons, healthcare, education etc... mind you all doing quite well
She's terrible leader, her time as home sec proves it
Tryke3 said:
The little gang in croydon is 20x worse, i have seen a video where they were doing burnouts in front of a police car. They dont care
Theres no police left because Theresa May had to prove money saving can be achieved without braking a service, like prisons, healthcare, education etc... mind you all doing quite well
She's terrible leader, her time as home sec proves it
Actually, I'm lead to believe that there's more police and more police per head than there was in the 1950's. They also have less responsibilities than they used to have, various jobs offloaded to other public bodies. The problem is they no longer police.Theres no police left because Theresa May had to prove money saving can be achieved without braking a service, like prisons, healthcare, education etc... mind you all doing quite well
She's terrible leader, her time as home sec proves it
Esseesse said:
Actually, I'm lead to believe that there's more police and more police per head than there was in the 1950's. They also have less responsibilities than they used to have, various jobs offloaded to other public bodies. The problem is they no longer police.
And back on planet earth....Elroy Blue said:
Esseesse said:
Actually, I'm lead to believe that there's more police and more police per head than there was in the 1950's. They also have less responsibilities than they used to have, various jobs offloaded to other public bodies. The problem is they no longer police.
And back on planet earth....Peter Hitchens said:
In 1961, there were 75,161 police officers in England and Wales
There are now 126,818
Bear this in mind the next time you hear the parrot cry of ‘we don’t have the manpower to do it the way we used to’. It’s not true.
It’s also worth noting that in the intervening period police have been relieved of their statutory duty to secure commercial premises (now done by private security firms) , of their role in enforcing parking laws (taken on by local authorities) , and of their role as prosecutors (taken over by the CPS) ; and they now have many tens of thousands of non-uniformed staff, few of whom existed in 1961, to help them with bureaucracy. So, while there is no doubt that the police now face the tedious demands of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 and its codes of practice, manpower isn’t the central difficulty. It’s policy and leadership.
Whatever the motive, what was not in doubt was that, without any good technical or practical reason, a successful and established system of policing – preventive foot patrolling – was extinguished between about 1966 and about 1970, the final blow being delivered by the police force mergers imposed by Roy Jenkins after 1966 and mostly implemented in 1968 and 1969.
Helping the Police with their EnquiriesThere are now 126,818
Bear this in mind the next time you hear the parrot cry of ‘we don’t have the manpower to do it the way we used to’. It’s not true.
It’s also worth noting that in the intervening period police have been relieved of their statutory duty to secure commercial premises (now done by private security firms) , of their role in enforcing parking laws (taken on by local authorities) , and of their role as prosecutors (taken over by the CPS) ; and they now have many tens of thousands of non-uniformed staff, few of whom existed in 1961, to help them with bureaucracy. So, while there is no doubt that the police now face the tedious demands of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 and its codes of practice, manpower isn’t the central difficulty. It’s policy and leadership.
Whatever the motive, what was not in doubt was that, without any good technical or practical reason, a successful and established system of policing – preventive foot patrolling – was extinguished between about 1966 and about 1970, the final blow being delivered by the police force mergers imposed by Roy Jenkins after 1966 and mostly implemented in 1968 and 1969.
ReaderScars said:
Are they regularly involved in criminal acts, or mainly being anti social on the roads etc?
Indeed, because thieving and throwing a brick through a car window are far worse than a burnout, although I'm inclined to think burnouts and wheelies are far more likely to receive a punishment.Esseesse said:
Tryke3 said:
The little gang in croydon is 20x worse, i have seen a video where they were doing burnouts in front of a police car. They dont care
Theres no police left because Theresa May had to prove money saving can be achieved without braking a service, like prisons, healthcare, education etc... mind you all doing quite well
She's terrible leader, her time as home sec proves it
Actually, I'm lead to believe that there's more police and more police per head than there was in the 1950's. They also have less responsibilities than they used to have, various jobs offloaded to other public bodies. The problem is they no longer police.Theres no police left because Theresa May had to prove money saving can be achieved without braking a service, like prisons, healthcare, education etc... mind you all doing quite well
She's terrible leader, her time as home sec proves it
Esseesse said:
You quote a Peter Hitchens article to support your case? It's not even worthy of the title 'utter bks'. Elroy Blue said:
Esseesse said:
You quote a Peter Hitchens article to support your case? It's not even worthy of the title 'utter bks'. If you can't see and understand the fundamental differences between 1961 and 2017, there's not much point is there.
(And that's before we start talking about evidential standards, PACE, safeguarding, Mental health act, cyber crime, Misding person legislation and all the other non-crime responsibilities the Police are now responsible for)
(And that's before we start talking about evidential standards, PACE, safeguarding, Mental health act, cyber crime, Misding person legislation and all the other non-crime responsibilities the Police are now responsible for)
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