Woman sues footballers for raping her.

Woman sues footballers for raping her.

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BlackLabel

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13,251 posts

122 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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An interesting case from the Court of Session in Edinburgh.



A former Scotland international footballer and his ex-teammate have been ruled to be rapists and ordered to pay £100,000 damages despite never facing a criminal trial. A woman who was left "devastated" by a Crown decision not to prosecute, sued striker David Goodwillie.

Beeb said:
The mother-of-one maintained she was incapable of giving free agreement to sex because of her alcohol consumption, but Goodwillie, 27, who now plays with Plymouth Argyle, and Robertson claimed that intercourse had been consensual.

A judge said: "Having carefully examined and scrutinised the whole evidence in the case, I find the evidence of the pursuer (the woman) to be cogent, persuasive and compelling

Kinderpup

10 posts

88 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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NO, NO, NO and just in case anyone isn't sure, absolutely bloody not. If she made the choice as a mature, intelligent (?), consenting adult to drink enough alcohol to impair her judgement then she has no right to blame others for her bad decisions. Woman as well as men must take responsibility for their own actions, we scream bloody equality on everything else and expect, no DEMAND to be treated the same as men, yet when we make a bad life decision we expect to be able to blame someone else, usually the man involved. This is wrong and should be thrown out of court.

Sorry rant over, this type of behaviour make my blood boil.......

brrapp

3,701 posts

161 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Given his surname, is she suing him under the Trades Descriptions Act ? wink

Dr Murdoch

3,427 posts

134 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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brrapp said:
Given his surname, is she suing him under the Trades Descriptions Act ? wink
Very good

TTwiggy

11,500 posts

203 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Kinderpup said:
NO, NO, NO and just in case anyone isn't sure, absolutely bloody not. If she made the choice as a mature, intelligent (?), consenting adult to drink enough alcohol to impair her judgement then she has no right to blame others for her bad decisions. Woman as well as men must take responsibility for their own actions, we scream bloody equality on everything else and expect, no DEMAND to be treated the same as men, yet when we make a bad life decision we expect to be able to blame someone else, usually the man involved. This is wrong and should be thrown out of court.

Sorry rant over, this type of behaviour make my blood boil.......
I'm a bit confused - are you a woman or a man? The post above seems to be written from a female POV ('we demand' etc) while your one here ( http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... ) seems to be a male POV.



Oakey

27,523 posts

215 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Kinderpup said:
NO, NO, NO and just in case anyone isn't sure, absolutely bloody not. If she made the choice as a mature, intelligent (?), consenting adult to drink enough alcohol to impair her judgement then she has no right to blame others for her bad decisions. Woman as well as men must take responsibility for their own actions, we scream bloody equality on everything else and expect, no DEMAND to be treated the same as men, yet when we make a bad life decision we expect to be able to blame someone else, usually the man involved. This is wrong and should be thrown out of court.

Sorry rant over, this type of behaviour make my blood boil.......
Did you even read the article?

BBC said:
However, a security firm employee working at the nightclub told the court that she had been in need of an ambulance.

Gayle McGregor said: "She wasn't in control of herself. Her eyes were rolling in her head. She couldn't stand up straight. She couldn't speak to me properly. She wasn't compos mentis."

In the action it was said the players offered her a lift home in a taxi, but the driver was requested to drop all three at the flat in Armadale.

BlackLabel

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13,251 posts

122 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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In light of this decision I wonder if the prosecution service will look at the case again?

TwigtheWonderkid

43,248 posts

149 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Kinderpup said:
NO, NO, NO and just in case anyone isn't sure, absolutely bloody not. If she made the choice as a mature, intelligent (?), consenting adult to drink enough alcohol to impair her judgement then she has no right to blame others for her bad decisions. Woman as well as men must take responsibility for their own actions, we scream bloody equality on everything else and expect, no DEMAND to be treated the same as men, yet when we make a bad life decision we expect to be able to blame someone else, usually the man involved. This is wrong and should be thrown out of court.

Sorry rant over, this type of behaviour make my blood boil.......
What rubbish. If I get drunk, and the drink impairs my judgement, and I end up walking home late at night alone thru a dodgy area, I do not deserve to be stabbed, mugged or murdered. And anyone who takes advantage of my drunkenness for their own ends deserves to be punished.

If she is telling the truth, and was so drunk she couldn't give consent, then no one should be having sex with her. And the judge decided she was telling the truth.

Foliage

3,861 posts

121 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Kinderpup said:
NO, NO, NO and just in case anyone isn't sure, absolutely bloody not. If she made the choice as a mature, intelligent (?), consenting adult to drink enough alcohol to impair her judgement then she has no right to blame others for her bad decisions. Woman as well as men must take responsibility for their own actions, we scream bloody equality on everything else and expect, no DEMAND to be treated the same as men, yet when we make a bad life decision we expect to be able to blame someone else, usually the man involved. This is wrong and should be thrown out of court.

Sorry rant over, this type of behaviour make my blood boil.......
OK.......

Sheepshanks

32,538 posts

118 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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I suppose the men could claim they were also so drunk they didn't know what they were doing.

I remember a senior police officer using that as a defence against drink driving a few years ago.

heebeegeetee

28,598 posts

247 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Kinderpup said:
NO, NO, NO and just in case anyone isn't sure, absolutely bloody not. If she made the choice as a mature, intelligent (?), consenting adult to drink enough alcohol to impair her judgement then she has no right to blame others for her bad decisions. Woman as well as men must take responsibility for their own actions, we scream bloody equality on everything else and expect, no DEMAND to be treated the same as men, yet when we make a bad life decision we expect to be able to blame someone else, usually the man involved. This is wrong and should be thrown out of court.

Sorry rant over, this type of behaviour make my blood boil.......
She hasn't blamed others for her bad decisions, she's blamed others for their bad decisions. Having sexual intercourse with a woman who can not give consent is a bad decision, and this is what this is about.

It's not illegal to drink one's self to oblivion so nobody will be able to take her to court for her actions, and of course that's nothing to do with her being female. If they'd raped male or female, the footballer's actions would be the same.


brrapp

3,701 posts

161 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Kinderpup said:
NO, NO, NO and just in case anyone isn't sure, absolutely bloody not. If she made the choice as a mature, intelligent (?), consenting adult to drink enough alcohol to impair her judgement then she has no right to blame others for her bad decisions. Woman as well as men must take responsibility for their own actions, we scream bloody equality on everything else and expect, no DEMAND to be treated the same as men, yet when we make a bad life decision we expect to be able to blame someone else, usually the man involved. This is wrong and should be thrown out of court.

Sorry rant over, this type of behaviour make my blood boil.......
What rubbish. If I get drunk, and the drink impairs my judgement, and I end up walking home late at night alone thru a dodgy area, I do not deserve to be stabbed, mugged or murdered. And anyone who takes advantage of my drunkenness for their own ends deserves to be punished.

If she is telling the truth, and was so drunk she couldn't give consent, then no one should be having sex with her. And the judge decided she was telling the truth.
I can see where both of you could be right.
Kinder, if both male and female were drinking together and both got drunk, then both agreed to have sex, then I'd support your point of view.
Twig, if, as in your version, one of the two was beyond the point that they had no control over the situation, and the other took advantage then I'd support your point of view.
There is a point somewhere between both your viewpoints where the lines of right and wrong get blurred and a judgement has to be made. That's why someone else has to make a judgement as to which side of that point the situation lies.

Edited by brrapp on Tuesday 17th January 13:33

Blue Cat

976 posts

185 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Kinderpup said:
NO, NO, NO and just in case anyone isn't sure, absolutely bloody not. If she made the choice as a mature, intelligent (?), consenting adult to drink enough alcohol to impair her judgement then she has no right to blame others for her bad decisions. Woman as well as men must take responsibility for their own actions, we scream bloody equality on everything else and expect, no DEMAND to be treated the same as men, yet when we make a bad life decision we expect to be able to blame someone else, usually the man involved. This is wrong and should be thrown out of court.

Sorry rant over, this type of behaviour make my blood boil.......
So your reasoning, if you come across a drunk man, it is acceptable to steal his wallet and car keys because he clearly deserved it.

Foliage

3,861 posts

121 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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brrapp said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Kinderpup said:
NO, NO, NO and just in case anyone isn't sure, absolutely bloody not. If she made the choice as a mature, intelligent (?), consenting adult to drink enough alcohol to impair her judgement then she has no right to blame others for her bad decisions. Woman as well as men must take responsibility for their own actions, we scream bloody equality on everything else and expect, no DEMAND to be treated the same as men, yet when we make a bad life decision we expect to be able to blame someone else, usually the man involved. This is wrong and should be thrown out of court.

Sorry rant over, this type of behaviour make my blood boil.......
What rubbish. If I get drunk, and the drink impairs my judgement, and I end up walking home late at night alone thru a dodgy area, I do not deserve to be stabbed, mugged or murdered. And anyone who takes advantage of my drunkenness for their own ends deserves to be punished.

If she is telling the truth, and was so drunk she couldn't give consent, then no one should be having sex with her. And the judge decided she was telling the truth.
I can see where both of you could be right.
Kinder, if both male and female were drinking together and both got drunk, then both agreed to have sex, then I'd support your point of view.
Twig, if, as in your version, one of the two was beyond the point that they had no control over the situation, and the other took advantage then I'd support your point of view.
There is a point somewhere between both your viewpoints where the lines of right and wrong get blurred and a judgement has to be made. That's why someone has to make a judgement as to which side of that point the situation lies.
Another way of looking at it though is, we get drunk together, your more far far more drunker than I, I get you to give me your credit card and pin, and agree that I can empty your bank account.

Oakey

27,523 posts

215 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Blue Cat said:
So your reasoning, if you come across a drunk man, it is acceptable to steal his wallet and car keys because he clearly deserved it.
You don't need to switch things up here, you could keep things the same. There's no reason why it couldn't be a man that's taken back somewhere in that state and then bummed stupid.

Borroxs

20,911 posts

246 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Kinderpup said:
NO, NO, NO and just in case anyone isn't sure, absolutely bloody not. If she made the choice as a mature, intelligent (?), consenting adult to drink enough alcohol to impair her judgement then she has no right to blame others for her bad decisions. Woman as well as men must take responsibility for their own actions, we scream bloody equality on everything else and expect, no DEMAND to be treated the same as men, yet when we make a bad life decision we expect to be able to blame someone else, usually the man involved. This is wrong and should be thrown out of court.

Sorry rant over, this type of behaviour make my blood boil.......
Even on this website, this sounds like a wind up.

Borroxs

20,911 posts

246 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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What is it with footballers and double teaming smashed up drunk women FFS?


Can't be that hard to just find a more sober woman willing to take on some famous footballer surely?


Not sure I'd want to have anything to do with a woman a work colleague had his stuff into either. Nope.

TwigtheWonderkid

43,248 posts

149 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Borroxs said:
What is it with footballers and double teaming smashed up drunk women FFS?


Can't be that hard to just find a more sober woman willing to take on some famous footballer surely?


Yup, I never had to resort to having sex with women so drunk they couldn't give consent. And not only am I not at all good looking, but I also don't have a highly paid glamorous job.

I did once have sex with a woman who was a bit drunk, and had lost her glasses. This, combined with a dark nightclub, worked in my favour. Her being my wife also helped.

What an evening that was.

brrapp

3,701 posts

161 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Borroxs said:
What is it with footballers and double teaming smashed up drunk women FFS?


Can't be that hard to just find a more sober woman willing to take on some famous footballer surely?


Not sure I'd want to have anything to do with a woman a work colleague had his stuff into either. Nope.
I've been told I'm not a 'team player', always wondered what it meant..until now.

Dr Murdoch

3,427 posts

134 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Yup, I never had to resort to having sex with women so drunk they couldn't give consent. And not only am I not at all good looking, but I also don't have a highly paid glamorous job.

I did once have sex with a woman who was a bit drunk, and had lost her glasses. This, combined with a dark nightclub, worked in my favour. Her being my wife also helped.

What an evening that was.
Thats your side of the story..

wink