Woman sues footballers for raping her.

Woman sues footballers for raping her.

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Motorrad

6,811 posts

186 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Dr Murdoch said:
Me too, although in my 'yoof' I have woken up in a strange bed with no recollection of the events from the night before.
st does this mean that when I woke up feeling guilty and ashamed in the beds of */not very good looking/*women that I didn't fancy and would NEVER have in sobriety consented to having sex with that I'm a victim of rape?
Shame none of them were rich otherwise I could see a big pay day on the horizon.

edit to add: In no way did I give consent on at least a few occasions, first thing I remember is being woken up with them riding me.

Borroxs

20,911 posts

246 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Motorrad said:
Dr Murdoch said:
Me too, although in my 'yoof' I have woken up in a strange bed with no recollection of the events from the night before.
st does this mean that when I woke up feeling guilty and ashamed in the beds of */not very good looking/*women that I didn't fancy and would NEVER have in sobriety consented to having sex with that I'm a victim of rape?
Shame none of them were rich otherwise I could see a big pay day on the horizon.

edit to add: In no way did I give consent on at least a few occasions, first thing I remember is being woken up with them riding me.
The big difference is that when you 'woke up' you got a nice surprise that you were happy with, and did not object. You went along with it and gave consent by continuing to partake.

What if you hadn't of come around? What if you had no memory of it? What if the first you knew about it was a bill from the CSA saying you now had to pay for some woman's child?

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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bhstewie said:
Looks like the clean-up is underway. It makes me wonder what on earth possesses people to think that way let alone to actually type it.

I can understand the mods not wanting it around but I do sometimes wonder whether it would just achieve more to leave it out there so people can see how some folks tick.
I would imagine he is at least in the sin bin, if not completely banned.

Motorrad

6,811 posts

186 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Borroxs said:
The big difference is that when you 'woke up' you got a nice surprise that you were happy with, and did not object. You went along with it and gave consent by continuing to partake.

What if you hadn't of come around? What if you had no memory of it? What if the first you knew about it was a bill from the CSA saying you now had to pay for some woman's child?
Lord I wasn't happy about it at least once.Had no memory of it, how I got there, who the woman was, where I was. The first thing I knew about it was some kid coming in and talking to his Mother who looked to me like a dinner lady from school. I was on some sink estate in some arse end of Newcastle at 8 in the morning with a banging hangover and a sore dick.

As far as I'm concerned there was no consent at all on my part. I didn't think about crying rape however. I've just felt a sense of lifelong shame ever since smile

Derek Smith

45,514 posts

247 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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CaptainSlow said:
As already stated, the debate had moved away from this particular case and was a more generic conversation. As also already stated, it wasn't my story please reread to refresh your memory. Not hard concepts to comprehend.
Oh, I see, you were talking about something entirely different to this case. Ah, as you say, not hard to understand now.

I should have seen it as there is no similarity between the example you used, of a drunk giving away a wallet, and this horrific rape. As I pointed out, in the simplistic example you used (whether yours or not) there could be a civil claim. Whether it is moral behaviour or not would depend on your own beliefs. If you would do it I would judge you as untrustworthy. But, if you would do it I assume you think it would be OK.


Pothole

34,367 posts

281 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Foliage said:
Another way of looking at it though is, we get drunk together, your more far far more drunker than I, I get you to give me your credit card and pin, and agree that I can empty your bank account.
I'd be happy to do that.

CaptainSlow

13,179 posts

211 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Derek Smith said:
Oh, I see, you were talking about something entirely different to this case. Ah, as you say, not hard to understand now.



Nope, for the third time, the thread had moved away from the case if you weren't so closed-minded you would be able recognise that.

Anyhow, your pretty vague and pointed answer has demonstrated there is a difference.

Borroxs

20,911 posts

246 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Motorrad said:
Lord I wasn't happy about it at least once.Had no memory of it, how I got there, who the woman was, where I was. The first thing I knew about it was some kid coming in and talking to his Mother who looked to me like a dinner lady from school. I was on some sink estate in some arse end of Newcastle at 8 in the morning with a banging hangover and a sore dick.

As far as I'm concerned there was no consent at all on my part. I didn't think about crying rape however. I've just felt a sense of lifelong shame ever since smile
Sounds 'rough'.

Motorrad

6,811 posts

186 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Borroxs said:
Sounds 'rough'.
Not one of my brighter moments but I don't consider I was 'raped' maybe that's the key issue? Suppose some might be prepared to change their minds if they thought there was a life changing pay day in it though.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Motorrad said:
Not one of my brighter moments but I don't consider I was 'raped' maybe that's the key issue? Suppose some might be prepared to change their minds if they thought there was a life changing pay day in it though.
unless the woman you got off with got another bloke involved you weren't raped. So you can stop worrying about that.

TwigtheWonderkid

43,248 posts

149 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Motorrad said:
Not one of my brighter moments but I don't consider I was 'raped' maybe that's the key issue? Suppose some might be prepared to change their minds if they thought there was a life changing pay day in it though.
A woman cannot commit rape. The only way a woman can be convicted of rape is by joint enterprise, as in she assists a man to commit rape.

What you describe is sexual assault.

Motorrad

6,811 posts

186 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
A woman cannot commit rape. The only way a woman can be convicted of rape is by joint enterprise, as in she assists a man to commit rape.

What you describe is sexual assault.
I don't consider I was sexually assaulted either despite having no idea what went on. I put it down to experience and moved on. Then I did it again. biggrin

otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
A woman cannot commit rape. The only way a woman can be convicted of rape is by joint enterprise, as in she assists a man to commit rape.

What you describe is sexual assault.
Though if she'd stuck her finger up his arse without consent, she'd have committed assault by penetration, which carries the same penalties.

TwigtheWonderkid

43,248 posts

149 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Motorrad said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
A woman cannot commit rape. The only way a woman can be convicted of rape is by joint enterprise, as in she assists a man to commit rape.

What you describe is sexual assault.
I don't consider I was sexually assaulted either despite having no idea what went on. I put it down to experience and moved on. Then I did it again. biggrin
You don't have to consider it assault for it to be assault. The woman in the Ched Evans case never considered she was raped, but the CPS thought she was, hence they ran with it.

popeyewhite

19,622 posts

119 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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otolith said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
A woman cannot commit rape. The only way a woman can be convicted of rape is by joint enterprise, as in she assists a man to commit rape.

What you describe is sexual assault.
Though if she'd stuck her finger up his arse without consent, she'd have committed assault by penetration, which carries the same penalties.
If a woman gets a man aroused whilst he's asleep and has sex with him that's rape. To you and me, but not the law. Therefore the law is sexist.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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popeyewhite said:
If a woman gets a man aroused whilst he's asleep and has sex with him that's rape. To you and me, but not the law. Therefore the law is sexist.
It's not rape in my eyes.

CaptainSlow

13,179 posts

211 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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desolate said:
It's not rape in my eyes.
What is it? (in your eyes)

davepoth

29,395 posts

198 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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CaptainSlow said:
desolate said:
It's not rape in my eyes.
What is it? (in your eyes)
Sexual assault. Rape is very specifically worded as being something a man does with his penis. There is assault by penetration, which can be with a "tool" or body part by anybody, and that also has a maximum sentence of life.

However, a woman who has non-consensual sex with a man and didn't stick something in one of his orifices could only be sentenced to a maximum of ten years in jail as Sexual assault.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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CaptainSlow said:
What is it? (in your eyes)
What davepoth said.

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

156 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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Motorrad said:
Lord I wasn't happy about it at least once.Had no memory of it, how I got there, who the woman was, where I was. The first thing I knew about it was some kid coming in and talking to his Mother who looked to me like a dinner lady from school. I was on some sink estate in some arse end of Newcastle at 8 in the morning with a banging hangover and a sore dick.

As far as I'm concerned there was no consent at all on my part. I didn't think about crying rape however. I've just felt a sense of lifelong shame ever since smile
That's because society hasn't spent the last 30 years telling you that you are a victim and pandering to that mentality so that you are absolved from any blame or responsibility for your actions, nut has spent the time telling you that you are not a victim in similar circumstances and are on fact most likely the perpetrator.