Worldosceptic

[B'stard Child]

citizensm1th said:

wow is this the new export drive mirror dingys to the us? after sir ben returns what is rightfully ours (cheating yanks) trump will freak and cancel the order

I think you know they are not "Mirror" Dinghys but Optimists - I even left the name in the img source so you didn't need to go to the trouble of hunting...

This is a Mirror



You know most were home built - man in a shed projects - well my 5 were!!!

[citizensm1th]

B'stard Child said:

citizensm1th said:

wow is this the new export drive mirror dingys to the us? after sir ben returns what is rightfully ours (cheating yanks) trump will freak and cancel the order

I think you know they are not "Mirror" Dinghys but Optimists - I even left the name in the img source so you didn't need to go to the trouble of hunting...

This is a Mirror



You know most were home built - man in a shed projects - well my 5 were!!!

you should be pleased i have learnt from you to tailor my posts to my audience ;-)

[B'stard Child]

citizensm1th said:

B'stard Child said:

citizensm1th said:

wow is this the new export drive mirror dingys to the us? after sir ben returns what is rightfully ours (cheating yanks) trump will freak and cancel the order

I think you know they are not "Mirror" Dinghys but Optimists - I even left the name in the img source so you didn't need to go to the trouble of hunting...

This is a Mirror



You know most were home built - man in a shed projects - well my 5 were!!!

you should be pleased i have learnt from you to tailor my posts to my audience ;-)

I actually was - I thought it was a good return of serve and I had little left but a cheeky lob

[citizensm1th]

B'stard Child said:

citizensm1th said:

B'stard Child said:

citizensm1th said:

wow is this the new export drive mirror dingys to the us? after sir ben returns what is rightfully ours (cheating yanks) trump will freak and cancel the order

I think you know they are not "Mirror" Dinghys but Optimists - I even left the name in the img source so you didn't need to go to the trouble of hunting...

This is a Mirror



You know most were home built - man in a shed projects - well my 5 were!!!

you should be pleased i have learnt from you to tailor my posts to my audience ;-)

I actually was - I thought it was a good return of serve and I had little left but a cheeky lob

you are tim henman icmfp

[davepoth]

CaptainSlow said:

Half the continent dabbled in a bit of fascism and the other half communism, it doesn't mean we have to do the same.

True enough.

[anonymous-user]

Derek Smith said:

I reckon we will lose our right to the top table, as you put it, within a while. We have no real right to it at the moment and leaving the EU will cost us influence.

The UN has done sterling work around the world with its various institutions. While it is a talking shop, that's considerably better than the alternative. Look up the League of Nation's history and see what happens when countries leave international organisations.

Or perhaps we can ignore the lessons of history and just repeat the failures of the past.

Balkans (Srebrenica), Sierra Leone, Darfur, SriLanka, Haiti... I'm not even trying here.

[skyrover]

CaptainSlow said:

davepoth said:

Every other country takes it seriously, which I think tells you more about the failure of the UK to integrate into Europe than anything else.

Half the continent dabbled in a bit of fascism and the other half communism, it doesn't mean we have to do the same.

They do love themselves a bit of Stateism do those Europeans.

Right down to the legal system, we are fundamentally different.

Culturally and legally, we are far more closely aligned with the US and the Commonwealth.

[glazbagun]

fblm said:

Derek Smith said:

I reckon we will lose our right to the top table, as you put it, within a while. We have no real right to it at the moment and leaving the EU will cost us influence.

The UN has done sterling work around the world with its various institutions. While it is a talking shop, that's considerably better than the alternative. Look up the League of Nation's history and see what happens when countries leave international organisations.

Or perhaps we can ignore the lessons of history and just repeat the failures of the past.

Balkans (Srebrenica), Sierra Leone, Darfur, SriLanka, Haiti... I'm not even trying here.

If you read We Did Nothing by Linda Polman she covers a lot of those. Basically the UN was set up to reduce WWII style wars between cou tries and is ill suited to civil wars.

Of course it's other purpose is to ensure that the rest of the world can't unify against one of the permanent members.

[Digga]

skyrover said:

CaptainSlow said:

davepoth said:

Every other country takes it seriously, which I think tells you more about the failure of the UK to integrate into Europe than anything else.

Half the continent dabbled in a bit of fascism and the other half communism, it doesn't mean we have to do the same.

They do love themselves a bit of Stateism do those Europeans.

Right down to the legal system, we are fundamentally different.

Culturally and legally, we are far more closely aligned with the US and the Commonwealth.

Have to agree. Mrs Digga and I were once invited to an informal, Saturday night dinner in an Italian home near Milan. Big old place and the whole family were sat around the large kitchen table eating seafood pasta, with the telly on, full blast, blaring out the San Remo Festival (thier Eurovision selection show).

Just because other Europeans do it though, does not make it fit with our interests. I think the UK has proven itself to have far better taste and ability in composing and marketing its music than any European counterpart in recent centuries.

[SKP555]

Derek Smith said:

I reckon we will lose our right to the top table, as you put it, within a while. We have no real right to it at the moment and leaving the EU will cost us influence.

The UN has done sterling work around the world with its various institutions. While it is a talking shop, that's considerably better than the alternative. Look up the League of Nation's history and see what happens when countries leave international organisations.

Or perhaps we can ignore the lessons of history and just repeat the failures of the past.

What sterling work? I'm not saying it hasn't but I can't think of any examples of where something was achieved under the UN that would have been impossible otherwise.

As for the League of Nations, it wasn't countries leaving which caused WW2. You could argue that the over reliance on the League helped create the conditions for WW2 meaning France in particular failed to keep Germany in check.

Both NATO and the UN seem to have shades of this.