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citizensm1th said:
wow is this the new export drive mirror dingys to the us? after sir ben returns what is rightfully ours (cheating yanks) trump will freak and cancel the order
I think you know they are not "Mirror" Dinghys but Optimists - I even left the name in the img source so you didn't need to go to the trouble of hunting...This is a Mirror
You know most were home built - man in a shed projects - well my 5 were!!!
B'stard Child said:
citizensm1th said:
wow is this the new export drive mirror dingys to the us? after sir ben returns what is rightfully ours (cheating yanks) trump will freak and cancel the order
I think you know they are not "Mirror" Dinghys but Optimists - I even left the name in the img source so you didn't need to go to the trouble of hunting...This is a Mirror
You know most were home built - man in a shed projects - well my 5 were!!!
citizensm1th said:
B'stard Child said:
citizensm1th said:
wow is this the new export drive mirror dingys to the us? after sir ben returns what is rightfully ours (cheating yanks) trump will freak and cancel the order
I think you know they are not "Mirror" Dinghys but Optimists - I even left the name in the img source so you didn't need to go to the trouble of hunting...This is a Mirror
You know most were home built - man in a shed projects - well my 5 were!!!
B'stard Child said:
citizensm1th said:
B'stard Child said:
citizensm1th said:
wow is this the new export drive mirror dingys to the us? after sir ben returns what is rightfully ours (cheating yanks) trump will freak and cancel the order
I think you know they are not "Mirror" Dinghys but Optimists - I even left the name in the img source so you didn't need to go to the trouble of hunting...This is a Mirror
You know most were home built - man in a shed projects - well my 5 were!!!
Derek Smith said:
I reckon we will lose our right to the top table, as you put it, within a while. We have no real right to it at the moment and leaving the EU will cost us influence.
The UN has done sterling work around the world with its various institutions. While it is a talking shop, that's considerably better than the alternative. Look up the League of Nation's history and see what happens when countries leave international organisations.
Or perhaps we can ignore the lessons of history and just repeat the failures of the past.
Balkans (Srebrenica), Sierra Leone, Darfur, SriLanka, Haiti... I'm not even trying here.The UN has done sterling work around the world with its various institutions. While it is a talking shop, that's considerably better than the alternative. Look up the League of Nation's history and see what happens when countries leave international organisations.
Or perhaps we can ignore the lessons of history and just repeat the failures of the past.
CaptainSlow said:
davepoth said:
Every other country takes it seriously, which I think tells you more about the failure of the UK to integrate into Europe than anything else.
Half the continent dabbled in a bit of fascism and the other half communism, it doesn't mean we have to do the same.Right down to the legal system, we are fundamentally different.
Culturally and legally, we are far more closely aligned with the US and the Commonwealth.
fblm said:
Derek Smith said:
I reckon we will lose our right to the top table, as you put it, within a while. We have no real right to it at the moment and leaving the EU will cost us influence.
The UN has done sterling work around the world with its various institutions. While it is a talking shop, that's considerably better than the alternative. Look up the League of Nation's history and see what happens when countries leave international organisations.
Or perhaps we can ignore the lessons of history and just repeat the failures of the past.
Balkans (Srebrenica), Sierra Leone, Darfur, SriLanka, Haiti... I'm not even trying here.The UN has done sterling work around the world with its various institutions. While it is a talking shop, that's considerably better than the alternative. Look up the League of Nation's history and see what happens when countries leave international organisations.
Or perhaps we can ignore the lessons of history and just repeat the failures of the past.
Of course it's other purpose is to ensure that the rest of the world can't unify against one of the permanent members.
skyrover said:
CaptainSlow said:
davepoth said:
Every other country takes it seriously, which I think tells you more about the failure of the UK to integrate into Europe than anything else.
Half the continent dabbled in a bit of fascism and the other half communism, it doesn't mean we have to do the same.Right down to the legal system, we are fundamentally different.
Culturally and legally, we are far more closely aligned with the US and the Commonwealth.
Just because other Europeans do it though, does not make it fit with our interests. I think the UK has proven itself to have far better taste and ability in composing and marketing its music than any European counterpart in recent centuries.
Derek Smith said:
I reckon we will lose our right to the top table, as you put it, within a while. We have no real right to it at the moment and leaving the EU will cost us influence.
The UN has done sterling work around the world with its various institutions. While it is a talking shop, that's considerably better than the alternative. Look up the League of Nation's history and see what happens when countries leave international organisations.
Or perhaps we can ignore the lessons of history and just repeat the failures of the past.
What sterling work? I'm not saying it hasn't but I can't think of any examples of where something was achieved under the UN that would have been impossible otherwise. The UN has done sterling work around the world with its various institutions. While it is a talking shop, that's considerably better than the alternative. Look up the League of Nation's history and see what happens when countries leave international organisations.
Or perhaps we can ignore the lessons of history and just repeat the failures of the past.
As for the League of Nations, it wasn't countries leaving which caused WW2. You could argue that the over reliance on the League helped create the conditions for WW2 meaning France in particular failed to keep Germany in check.
Both NATO and the UN seem to have shades of this.
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