Jewish men attack parking warden
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La Liga said:
The group detain him in what seems a perfectly reasonable way. They seem calm enough and tell him to get on the floor etc.
Everything is going to depend on what has occurred before the recordings start as to whether or not detaining him was appropriate.
I usually have time for your posts, but help me out here; You are doing your job, group of people tell you to get on the floor, and you'd do it?Everything is going to depend on what has occurred before the recordings start as to whether or not detaining him was appropriate.
Halb said:
La Liga said:
The group detain him in what seems a perfectly reasonable way. They seem calm enough and tell him to get on the floor etc.
Telling someone to get on the floor doesn't seem reasonable.jjlynn27 said:
La Liga said:
The group detain him in what seems a perfectly reasonable way. They seem calm enough and tell him to get on the floor etc.
Everything is going to depend on what has occurred before the recordings start as to whether or not detaining him was appropriate.
I usually have time for your posts, but help me out here; You are doing your job, group of people tell you to get on the floor, and you'd do it?Everything is going to depend on what has occurred before the recordings start as to whether or not detaining him was appropriate.
La Liga said:
Everything is going to depend on what has occurred before the recordings start as to whether or not detaining him was appropriate.
If he was just doing his job and was detained for no reason then it'd obviously not be reasonable. The reason I mentioned what they said it is appears to have been said in a calm, controlled way. Usually with assaults and group assaults (the OP suggested the matter may be the other way around) it's more chaotic and 'red-misty'.
La Liga said:
Halb said:
La Liga said:
The group detain him in what seems a perfectly reasonable way. They seem calm enough and tell him to get on the floor etc.
Telling someone to get on the floor doesn't seem reasonable.jjlynn27 said:
La Liga said:
The group detain him in what seems a perfectly reasonable way. They seem calm enough and tell him to get on the floor etc.
Everything is going to depend on what has occurred before the recordings start as to whether or not detaining him was appropriate.
I usually have time for your posts, but help me out here; You are doing your job, group of people tell you to get on the floor, and you'd do it?Everything is going to depend on what has occurred before the recordings start as to whether or not detaining him was appropriate.
La Liga said:
Everything is going to depend on what has occurred before the recordings start as to whether or not detaining him was appropriate.
If he was just doing his job and was detained for no reason then it'd obviously not be reasonable. The reason I mentioned what they said it is appears to have been said in a calm, controlled way. Usually with assaults and group assaults (the OP suggested the matter may be the other way around) it's more chaotic and 'red-misty'.
Once you lie down, that's it, you are completely at their mercy.
jjlynn27 said:
But your argument must go both ways, if he was attacking them, would they be calm and collected?
Once you lie down, that's it, you are completely at their mercy.
Maybe so. It doesn't strike me as the group being obvious offenders and that was one of the reasons for that. Once you lie down, that's it, you are completely at their mercy.
SkrrSkrr said:
If it was a police officer being ganged up on would you have said the same thing?
The probability of a police officer being lawfully detained by a group is exceptionally small, so your starting point is miles away. SkrrSkrr said:
Lol so quick to defend their actions. lets be real what could he have done that warranted them dragging him off the bike
I'm not defending them. I'm considering possibilities. The difference to me doesn't seem that subtle... What could he have done? Any range of offences. For example, assaulting them with his helmet - the article has been updated to include an additional video: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4132678/Tr...
I have 'no horses' in this race. But you do seem biased. That video shows him swinging, doesn't show start.
Furthermore at the bottom of the article
Would be interesting to see the bodycam footage.
Furthermore at the bottom of the article
article said:
The warden's bodycam footage shows he was subjected to significant and unprovoked levels of intimidation, threats and harassment in the lead-up to that which has also been captured on video by members of the public.
The simplest explanation was that somoene got a ticket and got aggressive about it. This is, of course, pure speculation.Would be interesting to see the bodycam footage.
jjlynn27 said:
I have 'no horses' in this race. But you do seem biased. That video shows him swinging, doesn't show start.
Furthermore at the bottom of the article
There's loads of information missing. It's theoretically possible everyone has acted lawfully depending on their beliefs about the situation. It's also possible everyone is an offender. Furthermore at the bottom of the article
La Liga said:
'm not defending them. I'm considering possibilities. The difference to me doesn't seem that subtle...
What could he have done? Any range of offences. For example, assaulting them with his helmet - the article has been updated to include an additional video: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4132678/Tr...
The probability of a Parking warden being lawfully detained by a group is exceptionally small as well....What could he have done? Any range of offences. For example, assaulting them with his helmet - the article has been updated to include an additional video: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4132678/Tr...
He swung at them after they dragged him off the bike and attacked him, he was surround by the gang and had to defend himself.
SkrrSkrr said:
The probability of a Parking warden being lawfully detained by a group is exceptionally small as well.
It's much higher than that of a police officer. SkrrSkrr said:
He swung at them after they dragged him off the bike and attacked him, he was surround by the gang and had to defend himself.
Highly speculative. There's far too much missing to present that story with such conviction. La Liga said:
SkrrSkrr said:
The probability of a Parking warden being lawfully detained by a group is exceptionally small as well.
It's much higher than that of a police officer. La Liga said:
SkrrSkrr said:
He swung at them after they dragged him off the bike and attacked him, he was surround by the gang and had to defend himself.
Highly speculative. There's far too much missing to present that story with such conviction. Blib said:
Errr....why is their religion an issue enough to be mentioned in this thread's title? Or, do Jewish men habitually kick off with wardens and we need to be warned?
Possibly linked to recent news stories whereby Orthodox Jewish communities try to impose their own very conservative rules on the areas in which they live. There is a reasonably well known Youtube video of a cyclist in the US getting nearly knocked off his bike then surrounded by Orthodox Jews telling him he can't ride through 'their' area etc. There are also incidences of Orthodox Jewish men harassing women for not wearing 'modest' clothing in 'their area.'NY cyclist incident
Harassment of women and in this case spitting on a little girl, charming folk...
Edited by Grunt Futtock on Thursday 19th January 08:54
SkrrSkrr said:
Not imo i've seen police officers commit more crimes than traffic wardens. E.g using their mobiles while driving.
We were talking about the probability in which the public would lawfully detain a police officer as opposed to others. SkrrSkrr said:
Yeah far too much missing. It's not like there is a video of him being dragged off the bike or being surrounded by them...
Which is potentially a lawful detention depending on what occurred before. You spoke of self-defence. Using force and self-defence require the account of the person who is claiming to have acted in self-defence. That's a large and significant amount of information missing, for example. jjlynn27 said:
The simplest explanation was that somoene got a ticket and got aggressive about it. This is, of course, pure speculation.
This seems to be what councilor is suggesting the body cam footage shows.The warden either gave a ticket - or tried to give one, and was intimidated by one or more persons before it escalated and kicked off. It's not like this type of scenario is a rare occurrence for traffic wardens.
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