New Fireblade US prices..

New Fireblade US prices..

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BobSaunders

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3,027 posts

154 months

Thursday 19th January 2017
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https://powersports.honda.com/2017/cbr1000rr.aspx

Click on trim and select, and it will show the cost - US website.

Tentative MSRP $24,999 for SP2. So that's direct conversion of £20,312.84.

SP is Tentative MSRP $19,999. So thats £16,252.28.

ABS is TBC.

Standard is Tentative MSRP $16,999 so thats £13,815.90.

With Brexit, and pound instability they will tack on extra in the UK, and the dealer will add a little as well..

Should be interesting to see the actual announcement over the weekend and costs.

graeme4130

3,823 posts

180 months

Thursday 19th January 2017
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Some Uk version news http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2017/january/ho...
Shows UK prices at Standard £15,225, and the SP at £19,125
No prices for the SP2, but they expect £21-22k
That's a lot of money for a Honda

Gavia

7,627 posts

90 months

Thursday 19th January 2017
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BobSaunders said:
https://powersports.honda.com/2017/cbr1000rr.aspx

Click on trim and select, and it will show the cost - US website.

Tentative MSRP $24,999 for SP2. So that's direct conversion of £20,312.84.

SP is Tentative MSRP $19,999. So thats £16,252.28.

ABS is TBC.

Standard is Tentative MSRP $16,999 so thats £13,815.90.

With Brexit, and pound instability they will tack on extra in the UK, and the dealer will add a little as well..

Should be interesting to see the actual announcement over the weekend and costs.
It's not as simple as that as there are lots of different taxes applied in each country. The norm is to swap the $ for a £ and you'll be a lot nearer the UK price.

Walter Sobchak

5,723 posts

223 months

Thursday 19th January 2017
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So the SP will be more than the R1 M but probably not better than it, and not far off a 1299 S or RSV4 RF, as much as I love Fireblades, unless this is somehow really special, no thanks.

Tommo13

196 posts

156 months

Thursday 19th January 2017
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I wonder if it will be "Special" enough not to need new engines and quick shifters as consumables as per the issues some have had on the board with Italian exotica ?

graeme4130

3,823 posts

180 months

Thursday 19th January 2017
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Walter Sobchak said:
So the SP will be more than the R1 M but probably not better than it, and not far off a 1299 S or RSV4 RF, as much as I love Fireblades, unless this is somehow really special, no thanks.
I agree, it's going to need to be pretty special to compete at that price point
I did see that they're pushing out the finance deals already, so I expect they'll try and be more competitive in the monthly payments through the GFV, so they'll probably still sell a fair few.
I'd certainly not put £22k into the top spec one unless it really is something very special indeed, and that market is full of some really very good bikes already

Ho Lee Kau

2,278 posts

124 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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graeme4130 said:
Walter Sobchak said:
So the SP will be more than the R1 M but probably not better than it, and not far off a 1299 S or RSV4 RF, as much as I love Fireblades, unless this is somehow really special, no thanks.
I agree, it's going to need to be pretty special to compete at that price point
I did see that they're pushing out the finance deals already, so I expect they'll try and be more competitive in the monthly payments through the GFV, so they'll probably still sell a fair few.
I'd certainly not put £22k into the top spec one unless it really is something very special indeed, and that market is full of some really very good bikes already
SP2, having light wheels and "better-finished" engine, compared to SP, is more of a template for further tuning for pure racing.

In any case, purely on the street, the expensive 1299S may be flashy, but it is not a good daily bike, with its freaking heat issues and engine-transmission characteristics. SP is maybe less flashy, but it will love its rider instead of torturing him/her, like Pani does.

BobSaunders

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3,027 posts

154 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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graeme4130 said:
Walter Sobchak said:
So the SP will be more than the R1 M but probably not better than it, and not far off a 1299 S or RSV4 RF, as much as I love Fireblades, unless this is somehow really special, no thanks.
I agree, it's going to need to be pretty special to compete at that price point
I did see that they're pushing out the finance deals already, so I expect they'll try and be more competitive in the monthly payments through the GFV, so they'll probably still sell a fair few.
I'd certainly not put £22k into the top spec one unless it really is something very special indeed, and that market is full of some really very good bikes already
Someone somewhere must have done the numbers on this, and double checked it.

Or do they truly believe that it is really that good a bike?

Or, they are assuming they are going to sell low numbers, and subsequently increased the price to accommodate?

Rawwr

22,722 posts

233 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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I certainly look forward to having a go on one and my 2014 Fireblade is due to be changed in August. Might happily coincide.

Renn Sport

2,761 posts

208 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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I am a bit surprised at the prices as I thought it would be more competitive.

For my money I don't think its better than the R1 on spec. Standard R1 vs Standard Blade. I know, I know I haven't ridden it.

I'd rather have the R1 or a RSV4R. My mates on the other hand think this is the seconding coming of 'christ'. They are all but ready to order one now!

I was impressed with the pricing for the Africa Twin. Which is a ground up model and looks to be good quality.


spareparts

6,777 posts

226 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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Everyone judging the book by its cover and assuming it should be priced less than older bikes with less technology. This is Honda, not Hyosung. Honda have access to more R&D than any other manufacturer, and are building on arguably the most refined superbike platform proven since 2008. I would be surprised if the new flagship is anything less than superlative as a bike to ride fast, over distance.

ccr32

1,966 posts

217 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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I have an SP2 on order and the official line is (well, as far as I have been told anyway) that prices aren't available yet. And, when they are announced, don't get too excited as you're not likely to get one as they will be in very short supply.

Walter Sobchak

5,723 posts

223 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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Ho Lee Kau said:
SP2, having light wheels and "better-finished" engine, compared to SP, is more of a template for further tuning for pure racing.

In any case, purely on the street, the expensive 1299S may be flashy, but it is not a good daily bike, with its freaking heat issues and engine-transmission characteristics. SP is maybe less flashy, but it will love its rider instead of torturing him/her, like Pani does.
The thing is, a modern superbike just isn't practical as a daily rider anyway, they're uncomfortable, incredibly expensive if you drop them, most kick a lot of heat out sitting in traffic as they're just not designed with urban commuting in mind. Yes the Honda might be marginally better as a daily rider than a Panigale but it's still going to be terrible as one-in an urban setting anyway.
For the vast majority of people who have £20k to blow on a bike, it's going to be a toy for weekend blasts and/or track days and for that the Ducati is more special, the Yamaha is more special and cheaper,likewise the Aprilia-although sadly they do have parts supply issues.



Walter Sobchak

5,723 posts

223 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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spareparts said:
Everyone judging the book by its cover and assuming it should be priced less than older bikes with less technology. This is Honda, not Hyosung. Honda have access to more R&D than any other manufacturer, and are building on arguably the most refined superbike platform proven since 2008. I would be surprised if the new flagship is anything less than superlative as a bike to ride fast, over distance.
What tech is it lacking when comparing it to the R1,Panigale or RSV4?.

patchb

946 posts

113 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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Walter Sobchak said:
What tech is it lacking when comparing it to the R1,Panigale or RSV4?.
Did you actually read his post?

Walter Sobchak

5,723 posts

223 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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patchb said:
Did you actually read his post?
Obviously, hence the question, the R1,Panigale and RSV4 arnt lacking anything tech wise when compared to the incoming Fireblade as far as I can see.

Ho Lee Kau

2,278 posts

124 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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Renn Sport said:
I am a bit surprised at the prices as I thought it would be more competitive.

For my money I don't think its better than the R1 on spec. Standard R1 vs Standard Blade. I know, I know I haven't ridden it.

I'd rather have the R1 or a RSV4R. My mates on the other hand think this is the seconding coming of 'christ'. They are all but ready to order one now!

I was impressed with the pricing for the Africa Twin. Which is a ground up model and looks to be good quality.
How do you define "better"?
Better as a race bike on track? That's one thing.
Better as a street bike? That's a totally different thing.

R1 was made for track first, for street second. I rode R1, it has very committed seating position and really jerky throttle (which has been noted numerous times in numerous reviews as well).
Fireblade was always made street first and track second, and that what the development bosses for the current one said once again. I've ridden a couple of Fireblades, and I have 954RR myself, and they are great on the road, comfy, agile and friendly.

I'd also rather have an RSV4, RF though. But when I read Aprilia forums I rather like my problem-free japanese babies.

Ho Lee Kau

2,278 posts

124 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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ccr32 said:
I have an SP2 on order and the official line is (well, as far as I have been told anyway) that prices aren't available yet. And, when they are announced, don't get too excited as you're not likely to get one as they will be in very short supply.
Honda surely will sell all SP2 they produce, bucketloads of SP and innumerable standard Fireblades. Fireblade is an institution, and that for a reason, it's a brilliant street bike!

Rawwr

22,722 posts

233 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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Just got back from local dealer. Although a fair degree of guess work was going on, it's going to look like I'll have to order my SP in April to take August delivery and it's going to be £19,100. No prices for the SP2 but that doesn't matter as my dealer was only allocated one and that's been sold. They'll have their demo SP available from 1st March, which I look forward to trying out.

BobSaunders

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3,027 posts

154 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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MCN will be reviewing the Fireblade against the ZX10R and S1000RR in the coming weeks. Looking forward to that review.