Police gang up on kid in school uniform

Police gang up on kid in school uniform

Author
Discussion

SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

198 months

Friday 20th January 2017
quotequote all
whoami said:
Bigends said:
La Liga said:
Bigends said:
Skinny little schoolkid - only needed a couple of them out of the van - though I assume this is the Met we're talking about here
Plenty of others around.

Don't under estimate kids: http://metro.co.uk/2016/11/25/shocking-video-shows...

What's the stop and search for (no sound if it's on there)? Weapons?
That street attack should have been handled better by the female officer - the day I was scared of schoolkids would have been the day I jacked in
What would you have done differently?
Not held a school kid by the throat on the bonnet of a car for no reason infront of all of his school mates is a good start

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 20th January 2017
quotequote all
Bigends said:
She should have cleared them out from behind the male officer for starters - not stood off to one side on the path.- using force if needs be - she was then pretty ineffectual after they started and he was lucky it didnt turn out worse. Couple of hairy arsed rugby players wouldnt have allowed that to happen dont you think?
You'd end up with a topic on here about you, posted by someone dippy like the OP; "Police officer pushes school child" wink

whoami

13,151 posts

240 months

Friday 20th January 2017
quotequote all
Bigends said:
whoami said:
Bigends said:
La Liga said:
Bigends said:
Skinny little schoolkid - only needed a couple of them out of the van - though I assume this is the Met we're talking about here
Plenty of others around.

Don't under estimate kids: http://metro.co.uk/2016/11/25/shocking-video-shows...

What's the stop and search for (no sound if it's on there)? Weapons?
That street attack should have been handled better by the female officer - the day I was scared of schoolkids would have been the day I jacked in
What would you have done differently?
She should have cleared them out from behind the male officer for starters - not stood off to one side on the path.- using force if needs be - she was then pretty ineffectual after they started and he was lucky it didnt turn out worse. Couple of hairy arsed rugby players wouldnt have allowed that to happen dont you think?
Perhaps.

However, these rugby players weren't on-the-spot, were they?

Bigends

5,418 posts

128 months

Friday 20th January 2017
quotequote all
La Liga said:
Bigends said:
She should have cleared them out from behind the male officer for starters - not stood off to one side on the path.- using force if needs be - she was then pretty ineffectual after they started and he was lucky it didnt turn out worse. Couple of hairy arsed rugby players wouldnt have allowed that to happen dont you think?
You'd end up with a topic on here about you, posted by someone dippy like the OP; "Police officer pushes school child" wink
No..video evidence would have more than justified her actions. Theres a schoolteacher in the background of the video acting more positively

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 20th January 2017
quotequote all
Bigends said:
La Liga said:
Bigends said:
She should have cleared them out from behind the male officer for starters - not stood off to one side on the path.- using force if needs be - she was then pretty ineffectual after they started and he was lucky it didnt turn out worse. Couple of hairy arsed rugby players wouldnt have allowed that to happen dont you think?
You'd end up with a topic on here about you, posted by someone dippy like the OP; "Police officer pushes school child" wink
No..video evidence would have more than justified her actions. Theres a schoolteacher in the background of the video acting more positively
As if justification and lawfulness matters the likes of the OP and Systemparanoia.

SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

198 months

Friday 20th January 2017
quotequote all
La Liga said:
SystemParanoia said:
La Liga said:
laugh
Yes, that's what the child see's the police doing at him.
You have no idea (generally) what the grounds were to search.
I didn't say don't search him. I said 5 of them didn't need to get all up in his face to do it.

Only one was needed, he was compliant and cooperative. but they still crowded him and tried to be intimidating to the child. wkers

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 20th January 2017
quotequote all
SystemParanoia said:
I didn't say don't search him. I said 5 of them didn't need to get all up in his face to do it.

Only one was needed, he was compliant and cooperative. but they still crowded him and tried to be intimidating to the child. wkers
Looks to me their positioning themselves to prevent any channels for him to be off on his toes rather than 'in his face'. It also creates an area to prevent others coming in contact with him and potentially passing them any property etc etc.



SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

198 months

Friday 20th January 2017
quotequote all
La Liga said:
SystemParanoia said:
I didn't say don't search him. I said 5 of them didn't need to get all up in his face to do it.

Only one was needed, he was compliant and cooperative. but they still crowded him and tried to be intimidating to the child. wkers
Looks to me their positioning themselves to prevent any channels for him to be off on his toes rather than 'in his face'. It also creates an area to prevent others coming in contact with him and potentially passing them any property etc etc.
They're holding his bike to ransom.. why would he be off anywhere?

you only see the worst in people, even when they play the yes sir no sir game you seem to want everyone to play.

brenflys777

2,678 posts

177 months

Friday 20th January 2017
quotequote all
SystemParanoia said:
They're holding his bike to ransom.. why would he be off anywhere?

you only see the worst in people, even when they play the yes sir no sir game you seem to want everyone to play.
Was it his bike Sir?

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 20th January 2017
quotequote all
SystemParanoia said:
They're holding his bike to ransom.. why would he be off anywhere?
Who knows? If it's stolen? If he has someone on him that could get him in trouble? Panic?

SystemParanoia said:
you only see the worst in people, even when they play the yes sir no sir game you seem to want everyone to play.
It makes it easier for you to pretend I do, but it's clearly not true.

It's no more complicated than having things in place to deal with eventualities. Like any environment involving risk. You think two narrowly. Perhaps more officers on the street quelled any others getting involved in a manner which would create disorder etc.

SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

198 months

Friday 20th January 2017
quotequote all
brenflys777 said:
Was it his bike Sir?
Again, seeing the worst. what reason do you have to believe it isnt ?

SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

198 months

Friday 20th January 2017
quotequote all
La Liga said:
If he has someone on him that could get him in trouble? Panic?
He's a minor, he could have yellow cake uranium on him and he wont get into any real trouble. so no risk of panic of flight

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 20th January 2017
quotequote all
SystemParanoia said:
He's a minor, he could have yellow cake uranium on him and he wont get into any real trouble. so no risk of panic of flight
So? That's no reason not to make it harder for someone to run off and potentially lose evidence.

dandarez

13,282 posts

283 months

Friday 20th January 2017
quotequote all
Must say that after watching the 'long' vid, I have no idea what they stopped the kid for - he doesn't look like riff raff, seemed very compliant and did everything he was asked. However, the next time the police say they are short staffed, I reckon this vid might be produced so not a good pr exercise, especially when they know it is all being filmed, and the kid does his own filming at the close! Why the hell didn't the others just stand back out of view? It just looks OTT.

brenflys777

2,678 posts

177 months

Friday 20th January 2017
quotequote all
SystemParanoia said:
brenflys777 said:
Was it his bike Sir?
Again, seeing the worst. what reason do you have to believe it isnt ?
Experience - although you are jumping to conclusions to state I "believe" it isn't - it's one of the possibilities though based on limited information. To assume anything would be naive and foolish.

I was a Guardian reading liberal when I joined plod. Experience and exposure to the socially inadequate parasites of society changed my opinion.

If you were capable of passing the selection - psychological, fitness and aptitude tests I'd recommend you become a special - I'd give it 3 weeks for someone with your attitude to turn on the great British public and resent their lack of appreciation...

Bigends

5,418 posts

128 months

Friday 20th January 2017
quotequote all
La Liga said:
SystemParanoia said:
He's a minor, he could have yellow cake uranium on him and he wont get into any real trouble. so no risk of panic of flight
So? That's no reason not to make it harder for someone to run off and potentially lose evidence.
Cut it any way you like - it looks heavy handed and does nothing to help with the already pi** poor Police / black kids relations. Not every incident requires a full risk assessment the Police were merely checking to see if the bike was nicked - two were enough to deal. Be interesting to read what the grounds for the search were as well - if they think the bikes stolen arrest him and deal with him - how would a body seacrh establish the bike wasnt stolen?

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 20th January 2017
quotequote all
Bigends said:
Cut it any way you like - it looks heavy handed and does nothing to help with the already pi** poor Police / black kids relations. Not every incident requires a full risk assessment the Police were merely checking to see if the bike was nicked - two were enough to deal. Be interesting to read what the grounds for the search were as well - if they think the bikes stolen arrest him and deal with him - how would a body seacrh establish the bike wasnt stolen?
What do people steal bikes with?

Relations play second fiddle to making sure people don't run away / a presence to deter anyone around getting involved.

Bigends

5,418 posts

128 months

Friday 20th January 2017
quotequote all
La Liga said:
Bigends said:
Cut it any way you like - it looks heavy handed and does nothing to help with the already pi** poor Police / black kids relations. Not every incident requires a full risk assessment the Police were merely checking to see if the bike was nicked - two were enough to deal. Be interesting to read what the grounds for the search were as well - if they think the bikes stolen arrest him and deal with him - how would a body seacrh establish the bike wasnt stolen?
What do people steal bikes with?

Relations play second fiddle to making sure people don't run away / a presence to deter anyone around getting involved.
Rubbish - hes a young schoolboy not some Yardie gangster. He was actually pulled for a cycling offence having listened again. They wonder why the kids turn on them??

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
quotequote all
Bigends said:
Rubbish - hes a young schoolboy not some Yardie gangster. He was actually pulled for a cycling offence having listened again. They wonder why the kids turn on them??
What area are they in? Who else is there?

It's a few cops involved in a stop and search. It doesn't really matter.

Bigends

5,418 posts

128 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
quotequote all
La Liga said:
Bigends said:
Rubbish - hes a young schoolboy not some Yardie gangster. He was actually pulled for a cycling offence having listened again. They wonder why the kids turn on them??
What area are they in? Who else is there?

It's a few cops involved in a stop and search. It doesn't really matter.
Its Lewisham - same area where the two cops were attacked on the other video typical heavy handed Met. Of course it matters - that kid certainly wont be doing them any favours in future

Edited by Bigends on Saturday 21st January 00:15