First in the queue? Looks like it.

First in the queue? Looks like it.

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SKP555

1,114 posts

125 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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Countdown said:
Agreed. People only sign up to trade deals because they get a net "benefit". But, according to Trump, the US has been well and truly f*ked over due to various trade deals.

Now either the most advanced economy in the world has the least competent and least powerful negotiators OR Trump is talking through his arrse....
Or simply that NAFTA has worked extremely well for some people who have been able to use cheap Mexican labour, and for many people who have been able to buy cheaper goods, but extremely badly for others whose jobs have literally gone south.

I think that is the politics Trump and Brexit are a counter reaction to.


Tryke3

1,609 posts

93 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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Countdown said:
hidetheelephants said:
Trade is not a zero-sum deal; it's quite feasible to have an agreement which is mutually beneficial.
Agreed. People only sign up to trade deals because they get a net "benefit". But, according to Trump, the US has been well and truly f*ked over due to various trade deals.

Now either the most advanced economy in the world has the least competent and least powerful negotiators OR Trump is talking through his arrse....
I wonder hehe i was listening to US comentator who said somethi g like nafta helps hudreds of thousands of jobs in the US and it benefits the US more than Mexico

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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Countdown said:
Ok that's a fair point. However I'd disagree that it was the "Middle class", more likely the working class. The other thing is that, by all means use protectionism to keep the kjobs in the US but all it means is consumers are subsidising them. It's the reason why we in the UK didn't subsidise the coal industry or the cotton industry. It's a short term sticking plaster at best.
The middle class are the working class of America, that's the way they describe themselves.

Countdown

39,691 posts

195 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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Tryke3 said:
I wonder hehe i was listening to US comentator who said somethi g like nafta helps hudreds of thousands of jobs in the US and it benefits the US more than Mexico
Indeed. That's the way trade works - "comparative" advantage and "absolute advantage"

davepoth

29,395 posts

198 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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jsf said:
The middle class are the working class of America, that's the way they describe themselves.
Also, when people refer to "Middle America" they're thinking about the bits that aren't by the sea rather than classes.

Guybrush

4,330 posts

205 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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The sneerers hoping we would be down the queue are a bit quiet. laugh

jmorgan

36,010 posts

283 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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Thing is, until we see what we are about to receive, we may well wish we were down the queue.

His rhetoric during the election campaign suggests we are not going to get a lot. However what will he do now he is Chief? Think one of his advisors suggested we were ripe for the picking due to brexit.

Hope May does not go in purely to get the "first to see Trump" badge.

vonuber

17,868 posts

164 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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Guybrush said:
The sneerers hoping we would be down the queue are a bit quiet. laugh
Why would we get a better deal than the EU does?

SKP555

1,114 posts

125 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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vonuber said:
Why would we get a better deal than the EU does?
Because we can focus on the things that matter to our own economy, without compromising to for example protect French farmers or make visa applications easier for Bulgarian students or any of the other things involved in making a deal with 27 "partners" all looking out for themselves.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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vonuber said:
Why would we get a better deal than the EU does?
Trump flat out refuses to do deals with trade blocks. That's why he cancelled TPP today.

His press secretary answered a direct question today during the first press conference proper post Trumps inauguration from someone from the EU, who asked what Trump will do on trade with the EU. The response was he wasn't interested in anything but bilateral deals with countries.

So that's all the EU block countries out of the picture.

davepoth

29,395 posts

198 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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SKP555 said:
Because we can focus on the things that matter to our own economy, without compromising to for example protect French farmers or make visa applications easier for Bulgarian students or any of the other things involved in making a deal with 27 "partners" all looking out for themselves.
Exactly. We only have a couple of things we really want to protect - the NHS in the main - and so we don't need to give ground on many other things in return. Added to that our income level is very similar to the US so there's very little chance (if any) of manufacturing jobs moving away from America to come here, which was one of the big issues with TPP, and potentially with TTIP too.

Countdown

39,691 posts

195 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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jsf said:
vonuber said:
Why would we get a better deal than the EU does?
Trump flat out refuses to do deals with trade blocks. That's why he cancelled TPP today.

His press secretary answered a direct question today during the first press conference proper post Trumps inauguration from someone from the EU, who asked what Trump will do on trade with the EU. The response was he wasn't interested in anything but bilateral deals with countries.

So that's all the EU block countries out of the picture.
The EU and US are the world's two biggest trading partners.

Trump "refusing to deal with trading blocks" will be as true as "Trump tearing up Obamacare" or "Mexico paying for the Wall". In other words it will be bu11st but sugar coated to make it easier for his acolytes to accept.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Piece on R4 this morning interviewing someone from the US. Keen to export hormone injected US beef to the U.K. And chlorine soaked chickens. If the British public have sense there won't be much of a market for this stuff.

Also talk about how our cheese is so much better than US cheese (which it is). But Americans brought up on their cheese probably regard our stuff as even more dangerous to eat than we regard their meat...

KrissKross

2,182 posts

100 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Slighty O/T but if you ever want to be first in the queue/line for Disney World etc USA, always take a disabled person with you! biggrin

KrissKross

2,182 posts

100 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Countdown said:
The EU and US are the world's two biggest trading partners.
Can you please name any product or service that the USA needs to buy from Greece, Poland, Croatia, Turkey...

jmorgan

36,010 posts

283 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Greg66 said:
Piece on R4 this morning interviewing someone from the US. Keen to export hormone injected US beef to the U.K. And chlorine soaked chickens. If the British public have sense there won't be much of a market for this stuff.

Also talk about how our cheese is so much better than US cheese (which it is). But Americans brought up on their cheese probably regard our stuff as even more dangerous to eat than we regard their meat...
Never overestimate the ability of the British shopper.... they already buy many a watery mess loosely called meat.

However, I have had some superb and sublime cuts over there.

Murph7355

37,651 posts

255 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Countdown said:
The EU and US are the world's two biggest trading partners.

Trump "refusing to deal with trading blocks" will be as true as "Trump tearing up Obamacare" or "Mexico paying for the Wall". In other words it will be bu11st but sugar coated to make it easier for his acolytes to accept.
Not having a trade deal nor being interested in negotiating one is not the same as trading with a counterpart.

We must keep that in mind at all times.

scherzkeks

4,460 posts

133 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Funkycoldribena said:
Goaty Bill 2 said:
Pesty said:
Goaty Bill 2 said:
Yesterday was Trump's Inauguration.

This morning the sun rose as normal, and I was still here to see it.

I will wait to see what happens tomorrow.
Are you sure?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q2R2btO4MEo
I know it's wrong of me to take pleasure in the misery of others.
It is certain that I am going to Hell.
Thank you, I really enjoyed that smile
Is that Unrepentant?
The really funny thing about that clip is that she/he (not sure, sorry) is doing the Skywalker scream from Empire Strikes Back. In a second clip, she/he goes on about the "dark and the light" battling it out and some other nonsense.

I can think of no better example of magical thinking than an individual who views the world through the lens of a children's movie.

Johnnytheboy

24,498 posts

185 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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jmorgan said:
Greg66 said:
Piece on R4 this morning interviewing someone from the US. Keen to export hormone injected US beef to the U.K. And chlorine soaked chickens. If the British public have sense there won't be much of a market for this stuff.

Also talk about how our cheese is so much better than US cheese (which it is). But Americans brought up on their cheese probably regard our stuff as even more dangerous to eat than we regard their meat...
Never overestimate the ability of the British shopper.... they already buy many a watery mess loosely called meat.

However, I have had some superb and sublime cuts over there.
Oh God, what if they start exporting their version of chocolate to us?

vomit

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

243 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Johnnytheboy said:
Oh God, what if they start exporting their version of chocolate to us?

vomit
The exporter will take a major bath, no Brit is going to eat Hershey. Mind you British "chocolate" is only marginally better.