First in the queue? Looks like it.
Discussion
Countdown said:
Agreed. People only sign up to trade deals because they get a net "benefit". But, according to Trump, the US has been well and truly f*ked over due to various trade deals.
Now either the most advanced economy in the world has the least competent and least powerful negotiators OR Trump is talking through his arrse....
Or simply that NAFTA has worked extremely well for some people who have been able to use cheap Mexican labour, and for many people who have been able to buy cheaper goods, but extremely badly for others whose jobs have literally gone south.Now either the most advanced economy in the world has the least competent and least powerful negotiators OR Trump is talking through his arrse....
I think that is the politics Trump and Brexit are a counter reaction to.
Countdown said:
hidetheelephants said:
Trade is not a zero-sum deal; it's quite feasible to have an agreement which is mutually beneficial.
Agreed. People only sign up to trade deals because they get a net "benefit". But, according to Trump, the US has been well and truly f*ked over due to various trade deals. Now either the most advanced economy in the world has the least competent and least powerful negotiators OR Trump is talking through his arrse....
Countdown said:
Ok that's a fair point. However I'd disagree that it was the "Middle class", more likely the working class. The other thing is that, by all means use protectionism to keep the kjobs in the US but all it means is consumers are subsidising them. It's the reason why we in the UK didn't subsidise the coal industry or the cotton industry. It's a short term sticking plaster at best.
The middle class are the working class of America, that's the way they describe themselves.Thing is, until we see what we are about to receive, we may well wish we were down the queue.
His rhetoric during the election campaign suggests we are not going to get a lot. However what will he do now he is Chief? Think one of his advisors suggested we were ripe for the picking due to brexit.
Hope May does not go in purely to get the "first to see Trump" badge.
His rhetoric during the election campaign suggests we are not going to get a lot. However what will he do now he is Chief? Think one of his advisors suggested we were ripe for the picking due to brexit.
Hope May does not go in purely to get the "first to see Trump" badge.
vonuber said:
Why would we get a better deal than the EU does?
Because we can focus on the things that matter to our own economy, without compromising to for example protect French farmers or make visa applications easier for Bulgarian students or any of the other things involved in making a deal with 27 "partners" all looking out for themselves. vonuber said:
Why would we get a better deal than the EU does?
Trump flat out refuses to do deals with trade blocks. That's why he cancelled TPP today.His press secretary answered a direct question today during the first press conference proper post Trumps inauguration from someone from the EU, who asked what Trump will do on trade with the EU. The response was he wasn't interested in anything but bilateral deals with countries.
So that's all the EU block countries out of the picture.
SKP555 said:
Because we can focus on the things that matter to our own economy, without compromising to for example protect French farmers or make visa applications easier for Bulgarian students or any of the other things involved in making a deal with 27 "partners" all looking out for themselves.
Exactly. We only have a couple of things we really want to protect - the NHS in the main - and so we don't need to give ground on many other things in return. Added to that our income level is very similar to the US so there's very little chance (if any) of manufacturing jobs moving away from America to come here, which was one of the big issues with TPP, and potentially with TTIP too. jsf said:
vonuber said:
Why would we get a better deal than the EU does?
Trump flat out refuses to do deals with trade blocks. That's why he cancelled TPP today.His press secretary answered a direct question today during the first press conference proper post Trumps inauguration from someone from the EU, who asked what Trump will do on trade with the EU. The response was he wasn't interested in anything but bilateral deals with countries.
So that's all the EU block countries out of the picture.
Trump "refusing to deal with trading blocks" will be as true as "Trump tearing up Obamacare" or "Mexico paying for the Wall". In other words it will be bu11st but sugar coated to make it easier for his acolytes to accept.
Piece on R4 this morning interviewing someone from the US. Keen to export hormone injected US beef to the U.K. And chlorine soaked chickens. If the British public have sense there won't be much of a market for this stuff.
Also talk about how our cheese is so much better than US cheese (which it is). But Americans brought up on their cheese probably regard our stuff as even more dangerous to eat than we regard their meat...
Also talk about how our cheese is so much better than US cheese (which it is). But Americans brought up on their cheese probably regard our stuff as even more dangerous to eat than we regard their meat...
Greg66 said:
Piece on R4 this morning interviewing someone from the US. Keen to export hormone injected US beef to the U.K. And chlorine soaked chickens. If the British public have sense there won't be much of a market for this stuff.
Also talk about how our cheese is so much better than US cheese (which it is). But Americans brought up on their cheese probably regard our stuff as even more dangerous to eat than we regard their meat...
Never overestimate the ability of the British shopper.... they already buy many a watery mess loosely called meat.Also talk about how our cheese is so much better than US cheese (which it is). But Americans brought up on their cheese probably regard our stuff as even more dangerous to eat than we regard their meat...
However, I have had some superb and sublime cuts over there.
Countdown said:
The EU and US are the world's two biggest trading partners.
Trump "refusing to deal with trading blocks" will be as true as "Trump tearing up Obamacare" or "Mexico paying for the Wall". In other words it will be bu11st but sugar coated to make it easier for his acolytes to accept.
Not having a trade deal nor being interested in negotiating one is not the same as trading with a counterpart. Trump "refusing to deal with trading blocks" will be as true as "Trump tearing up Obamacare" or "Mexico paying for the Wall". In other words it will be bu11st but sugar coated to make it easier for his acolytes to accept.
We must keep that in mind at all times.
Funkycoldribena said:
Goaty Bill 2 said:
Pesty said:
Goaty Bill 2 said:
Yesterday was Trump's Inauguration.
This morning the sun rose as normal, and I was still here to see it.
I will wait to see what happens tomorrow.
Are you sure?This morning the sun rose as normal, and I was still here to see it.
I will wait to see what happens tomorrow.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q2R2btO4MEo
It is certain that I am going to Hell.
Thank you, I really enjoyed that
I can think of no better example of magical thinking than an individual who views the world through the lens of a children's movie.
jmorgan said:
Greg66 said:
Piece on R4 this morning interviewing someone from the US. Keen to export hormone injected US beef to the U.K. And chlorine soaked chickens. If the British public have sense there won't be much of a market for this stuff.
Also talk about how our cheese is so much better than US cheese (which it is). But Americans brought up on their cheese probably regard our stuff as even more dangerous to eat than we regard their meat...
Never overestimate the ability of the British shopper.... they already buy many a watery mess loosely called meat.Also talk about how our cheese is so much better than US cheese (which it is). But Americans brought up on their cheese probably regard our stuff as even more dangerous to eat than we regard their meat...
However, I have had some superb and sublime cuts over there.
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