First in the queue? Looks like it.

[B'stard Child]

Einion Yrth said:

Johnnytheboy said:

Oh God, what if they start exporting their version of chocolate to us?

The exporter will take a major bath, no Brit is going to eat Hershey. Mind you British "chocolate" is only marginally better.

Try selling English chocolate in Belgium or France

[jmorgan]

They have already been messing with our chocolate.

[B'stard Child]

jmorgan said:

They have already been messing with our chocolate.

Confused......

Belgium or France have been messing with our chocolate - Struggle with that one

The EU have been messing with our chocolate - If they have "adds #reasontoleave274" OK bit late but people seem to feel EUrovision wasn't really down to the EU (I know it was muhuhuhuh)

USA have been messing with our chocolate (Marathon definitely tasted better before they changed to snickers)

[Guybrush]

SKP555 said:

vonuber said:

Why would we get a better deal than the EU does?

Because we can focus on the things that matter to our own economy, without compromising to for example protect French farmers or make visa applications easier for Bulgarian students or any of the other things involved in making a deal with 27 "partners" all looking out for themselves.

Yes. The EU will no doubt try to impose one of their many drag factor rules upon us to inhibit UK-US deals before we leave the EU.

[B'stard Child]

Guybrush said:

SKP555 said:

vonuber said:

Why would we get a better deal than the EU does?

Because we can focus on the things that matter to our own economy, without compromising to for example protect French farmers or make visa applications easier for Bulgarian students or any of the other things involved in making a deal with 27 "partners" all looking out for themselves.

Yes. The EU will no doubt try to impose one of their many drag factor rules upon us to inhibit UK-US deals before we leave the EU.

This two year thing is a time limit

If they drag and are seen as dragging for no reason we will leave earlier with a deal or no deal

[Countdown]

KrissKross said:

Can you please name any product or service that the USA needs to buy from Greece, Poland, Croatia, Turkey...

I didnt have time to look at the actual products/services but trade between the US and each of the above is in the Billions..both ways

Greece

Turkey

Poland

Croatia

Europe is substantially more wealthy than Africa, South America, and Asia. It would seem (to me anyway) stupid for the US not to want to have a trade agreement with Europe. But if it doesn't, it doesn't.

[Countdown]

Murph7355 said:

Not having a trade deal nor being interested in negotiating one is not the same as trading with a counterpart.

We must keep that in mind at all times.

Having a trade deal makes it easier to trade.

[anonymous-user]

Countdown said:

KrissKross said:

Can you please name any product or service that the USA needs to buy from Greece, Poland, Croatia, Turkey...

I didnt have time to look at the actual products/services but trade between the US and each of the above is in the Billions..both ways

Greece

Turkey

Poland

Croatia

Europe is substantially more wealthy than Africa, South America, and Asia. It would seem (to me anyway) stupid for the US not to want to have a trade agreement with Europe. But if it doesn't, it doesn't.

Correct me if I'm wrong but those figures are dwarfed by USA/UK trade alone. I'm not going through everything but I'd bet the real trade is between a very few of the EU's members. As with most financial measures.

[Countdown]

REALIST123 said:

Correct me if I'm wrong but those figures are dwarfed by USA/UK trade alone. I'm not going through everything but I'd bet the real trade is between a very few of the EU's members. As with most financial measures.

Possibly you're correct. Germany is the biggest EU trading partner with the US and their trade is 100x the countries listed above. However my point was that the volume of trade between the EU as a whole and the US is massive, so anything to damage this would be massively damaging for both trading partners. Similarly if Trump takes the same approach to China it is going to damage BOTH countries.

The other countries, either individually or as a bloc, arent going to rollover and accept Trump's terms.

[skyrover]

Proper beef jerky

Please Please Please

[dandarez]

jmorgan said:

They have already been messing with our chocolate.

I would say!

Perhaps it would be more clearer if what used to be Cadbury's now used its correct name?

But then who would buy Mondelez International Rose's chocolates...

Nobody in their right mind.

Cadbury's?
Now history, like lots of things that used to be truly British.

[ATG]

dandarez said:

jmorgan said:

They have already been messing with our chocolate.

I would say!

Perhaps it would be more clearer if what used to be Cadbury's now used its correct name?

But then who would buy Mondelez International Rose's chocolates...

Nobody in their right mind.

Cadbury's?
Now history, like lots of things that used to be truly British.

Who cares if Cadbury is "truly British"? Jesus wept, if a mediocre sweety company is a key part of our national identity, we're already beyond help. A clue: it isn't and we aren't.

[ATG]

Seems a bit odd to get worked up about the UK being first in line for a trade deal since we aren't going to be in a position to negotiate it until we've established our future relationship with the EU. Even if the US wanted to start substantive negotiations next month, we're in no position to engage.

May has said she'd like the UK to be in a customs union of some kind with the EU, and she's not beholden to a particular model. The nature of that customs union will have implications for the trade deals we can do with 3rd parties; that is inevitable. So until we explore whether we can do a deal with the EU we are not going to be in a position to talk much detail with anyone else. And of course we can't officially engage in formal trade negotiations until we've left the EU.

So are we really expecting the US to not discuss trade with anyone else for the next two years so that the UK can be first in the queue? Of course not. All this "front of the queue" stuff is daft. It's just a pantomime response to Obama having said we'd be at the back off the queue. "Oh no we're not. We're at the front!"

[anonymous-user]

Countdown said:

KrissKross said:

Can you please name any product or service that the USA needs to buy from Greece, Poland, Croatia, Turkey...

I didnt have time to look at the actual products/services but trade between the US and each of the above is in the Billions..both ways

Greece

Turkey

Poland

Croatia

Europe is substantially more wealthy than Africa, South America, and Asia. It would seem (to me anyway) stupid for the US not to want to have a trade agreement with Europe. But if it doesn't, it doesn't.

They don't. They just killed TPP, TTIP is dead before it got going.

The problem (if you want to call it a problem) EU countries will have is they cant do a deal on their own, so the whole block wont get a deal because that is now USA policy.

Any deals are to be bilateral, its been made clear from before the inauguration and was confirmed yesterday.

[anonymous-user]

ATG said:

Seems a bit odd to get worked up about the UK being first in line for a trade deal since we aren't going to be in a position to negotiate it until we've established our future relationship with the EU. Even if the US wanted to start substantive negotiations next month, we're in no position to engage.

May has said she'd like the UK to be in a customs union of some kind with the EU, and she's not beholden to a particular model. The nature of that customs union will have implications for the trade deals we can do with 3rd parties; that is inevitable. So until we explore whether we can do a deal with the EU we are not going to be in a position to talk much detail with anyone else. And of course we can't officially engage in formal trade negotiations until we've left the EU.

So are we really expecting the US to not discuss trade with anyone else for the next two years so that the UK can be first in the queue? Of course not. All this "front of the queue" stuff is daft. It's just a pantomime response to Obama having said we'd be at the back off the queue. "Oh no we're not. We're at the front!"

May will not enter an agreement with the EU that will restrict our ability to do our own trade deals. What she is referring to with a customs arrangement is to provide frictionless borders.

If you think the UK isn't currently actively discussing our options with 3rd parties, you are kidding yourself. We cant sign anything until we have left, we will be working on deals so they are ready as soon as possible post that process.

The whole pantomime, as you put it, is political positioning to illustrate a narrative, which is that the USA and UK will work as closer partners moving forward. The USA/German (EU) alliance is dead.

[loafer123]

ATG said:

Seems a bit odd to get worked up about the UK being first in line for a trade deal since we aren't going to be in a position to negotiate it until we've established our future relationship with the EU. Even if the US wanted to start substantive negotiations next month, we're in no position to engage.

Not in the view of this article from today's Telegraph;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/23/yes-can...

[king arthur]

ATG said:

Who cares if Cadbury is "truly British"? Jesus wept, if a mediocre sweety company is a key part of our national identity, we're already beyond help. A clue: it isn't and we aren't.

Agreed. Yes Cadbury's was a well known British brand, but honestly, let it go. Its fate was sealed when it sold the drinks business off anyway.

[anonymous-user]

loafer123 said:

Not in the view of this article from today's Telegraph;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/23/yes-can...

Hmm. An economist gives an unqualified opinion on a legal question on which there's no precedent. Sounds great. Where do we sign?

[Guybrush]

B'stard Child said:

Guybrush said:

SKP555 said:

vonuber said:

Why would we get a better deal than the EU does?

Because we can focus on the things that matter to our own economy, without compromising to for example protect French farmers or make visa applications easier for Bulgarian students or any of the other things involved in making a deal with 27 "partners" all looking out for themselves.

Yes. The EU will no doubt try to impose one of their many drag factor rules upon us to inhibit UK-US deals before we leave the EU.

This two year thing is a time limit

If they drag and are seen as dragging for no reason we will leave earlier with a deal or no deal

Excellent.

[Jimbeaux]

hidetheelephants said:

vonuber said:

Of course. I for one am looking forward to American insurance companies getting their hands on the NHS, and opening our doors to all the lovely hormone riddled meat.

How do they fit any hormones in when it's already full of antibiotics?

Hormones in our meat has been illegal for years; antibiotics are on their way out as well. Rest easy, you'll get over not having Obama around to hate you.