Protesting - useful/gets things done or a waste of time?
Discussion
I fully support people's rights to protest. What I do not support is all the vandalism that seems to come with it.
Would it be possible to have police snipers with tranquilizer darts posted on rooftops to take down those protesters smashing windows, etc. So the can be arrested and prosecuted?
The only issue I have with the current Trump protests is that I am not sure what people are protesting against and what they would like to be the result/outcome of their protests, other than "don't like trump". Do they want him to stand down and let the VP take over?!
Regarding protesting over trump in the UK, surely they are leaders in the world more deserving of their contempt and protests.
Would it be possible to have police snipers with tranquilizer darts posted on rooftops to take down those protesters smashing windows, etc. So the can be arrested and prosecuted?
The only issue I have with the current Trump protests is that I am not sure what people are protesting against and what they would like to be the result/outcome of their protests, other than "don't like trump". Do they want him to stand down and let the VP take over?!
Regarding protesting over trump in the UK, surely they are leaders in the world more deserving of their contempt and protests.
caelite said:
Tannedbaldhead said:
"Protests" and the can't pay wont pay campaign finished the poll tax.
I'd say that was a case of people doing more than just standing about with signs. Many protested with their wallets by trying to pull themselves 'off the grid' and out and out refusing to pay. I would say the latter was the real catalyst for change rather than a bit of sign waving.The tactic was not to pay the bills sent out by the Local Authorities then f
k around with the arrears teams promising to pay a tenner a week to catch up. The skill was in being able just to pay enough to string them along. By giving the odd tenner now and getting the balance right you could manage to hammer local authority cash flow and put the cost of collection through the roof. If you were brave enough (and many were) you could wait till the arrears team took out a CCJ against you. This was all the better as they had to pay legal costs up-front generating more cash flow issues. The Sheriffs could be seriously f
ked about with too. Not paying till they visit, then paying in person at the office in dribs and drabs again seriously slowed the payment process. By being awkward unpleasant payers and having Tommy Sherridan and the boys protesting at the front door Sheriff's Officers stopped tendering for council work. As a result of this campaign the Poll Tax became more trouble then it was worth. At the tail end the scheme was a mess and local government was skint. The icing on the cake for the well off was putting a few quid in buckets to pay for buses to send the "nothing to lose brigade" down to London for the day. .... BOOM!!! Job Done.
The reason I was wrapped up in this was nothing to do with being a left wing, Trotskyist Militant Tendency/Socialist Workers' Party type. I was a Conservative voter doing well under the policies of the day. Last thing I wanted was a Labour Government under Foot or Kinnock. My girlfriend at the time lived with her parents, worked in a boutique, was paid a pittance and couldn't afford to go on holiday with me because after paying her digs, lunches, a night clubbing once a week some nice clothes all her income thereafter went on the Poll Tax. I was a well to do young man with a nice house and a new Mazda RX7 Turbo up the drive. We both the same tax. It wasn't fair.
catso said:
Hoofy said:
Ha. Well, indeed, if you had an issue with something in the UK, you can set up a poll and just need 100k signatures to get parliament to at least debate it (or something like that). Far more effective than walking about London.
Don't think it's any more effective. I've not followed many but all the responses to petitions that I've seen have been a patronising 'Mother knows best' reply.Still, it's far easier than walking about London...
And yes, easier and less tiresome than walking in the cold.
Randy Winkman said:
hyphen said:
So in America, with its population of 318,000,000 Million people. If 'only' half a million turn up to protest in Washington (as did yesterday) then the press should cover it accordingly.
Half a million is a massive protest isn't it?This country is massive, if you live in the West or the South Washington is a very long way away. It's not like going from Manchester to Birmingham. It's 3,300 miles from LA to Washington. That's like going from London to Athens and still having another 800 miles to go. Obviously not everyone who wanted to express their views could travel thousands of miles so they organized their own protest where they live.
Norfolkit said:
Really kicked off in Lowestoft.
http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/lowestoft_protest_grou...
http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/lowestoft_protest_grou...
Maybe the 500,000 others were behind the camera?Greg66 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
A Guardian reporter on the Andrew Marr show stated that the protests following Trumps inauguration were ` What democracy is all about!'
NO! democracy is where each eligible person is given an equal vote, the votes are counted and the party which achieved the most votes has their position put in place. What is NOT democratic is for the losing side to carry out these pointless protests, or try to overturn the results of the majority vote, using any means they can find.
You have an odd concept of democracy. NO! democracy is where each eligible person is given an equal vote, the votes are counted and the party which achieved the most votes has their position put in place. What is NOT democratic is for the losing side to carry out these pointless protests, or try to overturn the results of the majority vote, using any means they can find.
There are countries in which there is a vote and after the vote all opposition to the vote is crushed.
Fortunately we do not live in a country like that. We have a democracy that respects both a person's right to vote and their right to protest.
Pan Pan Pan said:
If as it seems, the snowflakes
Pan Pan Pan said:
The problem with women's rights is that they don't want balance. If the overall balance between men's and woman's rights had been way out of balance it would have been dealt with centuries ago. Like in so many facets of life it is a swings and roundabouts situation, but women don't want balance, and seem to want the swing or roundabout to favour their side only.
There are many things that both men and women can, and cannot do, which are necessarily done by the gender best suited to that activity.
Why is it, in divorce cases for example that even where it was the woman who broke up the marriage, it is the man who has to leave the family home, and live in a bedsit, whilst still paying for that home and all in it? Is that fair? yet we don't see men parading down the streets in rally's protesting that their rights are not being upheld. There is something decidedly un balanced about women's rights protest marches.
For someone with such an obvious chip on their shoulder it's amazing that you've never seen a fathers4justice protest. There are many things that both men and women can, and cannot do, which are necessarily done by the gender best suited to that activity.
Why is it, in divorce cases for example that even where it was the woman who broke up the marriage, it is the man who has to leave the family home, and live in a bedsit, whilst still paying for that home and all in it? Is that fair? yet we don't see men parading down the streets in rally's protesting that their rights are not being upheld. There is something decidedly un balanced about women's rights protest marches.
Whining, protesting and marching about the result `after' the event is just sheer sour grapes, and smacks of nothing more than spoilt brats, scweeming and scweeming and stamping their lickle footsies because they did not get the result `they' wanted, and achieves nothing beyond a degree of loathing from those who are prepared to accept the result of a democratic vote of the people, (even if it did not go the way some of them wanted it to)
I am all for equality between genders, but I would want to see total equality, not the `equality' many of these women marchers deem is their right.
When I see women working in an abattoir, or cleaning out a sewer, or cesspit, or building houses, or bridges, or mining rocks out of the ground, and do all the nasty jobs that only men seem to have to do. I would accept that society is moving towards genuine equality, But women don't want those jobs at all, they only want the low effort, high paid jobs that `some' men do.
How often do we hear the bleat from women's groups that their partners don't do enough around the house, So they expect the bloke to go and do a days work outside the house, and when they get home, they then expect them to help with the house that `they' have been sitting on their a*ses in all day.
As others have rightly pointed out woman don't want equality, the want superiority.
Ironically both genders have achieved a form of equality, even though some such, as these protesters don't think that is good enough. If there was a such a severe imbalance in the `system' it would have fallen completely apart centuries ago. But it has not.
Pan Pan Pan said:
No. democracy is where all eligible persons with no bias towards gender, colour, race, and religion are given the equal right and opportunity to vote on a matter. The votes are then counted, and the party which achieves the highest number of votes gets their position put into place.
Whining, protesting and marching about the result `after' the event is just sheer sour grapes, and smacks of nothing more than spoilt brats, scweeming and scweeming and stamping their lickle footsies because they did not get the result `they' wanted, and achieves nothing beyond a degree of loathing from those who are prepared to accept the result of a democratic vote of the people, (even if it did not go the way some of them wanted it to)
I am all for equality between genders, but I would want to see total equality, not the `equality' many of these women marchers deem is their right.
When I see women working in an abattoir, or cleaning out a sewer, or cesspit, or building houses, or bridges, or mining rocks out of the ground, and do all the nasty jobs that only men seem to have to do. I would accept that society is moving towards genuine equality, But women don't want those jobs at all, they only want the low effort, high paid jobs that `some' men do.
How often do we hear the bleat from women's groups that their partners don't do enough around the house, So they expect the bloke to go and do a days work outside the house, and when they get home, they then expect them to help with the house that `they' have been sitting on their a*ses in all day.
As others have rightly pointed out woman don't want equality, the want superiority.
Ironically both genders have achieved a form of equality, even though some such, as these protesters don't think that is good enough. If there was a such a severe imbalance in the `system' it would have fallen completely apart centuries ago. But it has not.
Whining, protesting and marching about the result `after' the event is just sheer sour grapes, and smacks of nothing more than spoilt brats, scweeming and scweeming and stamping their lickle footsies because they did not get the result `they' wanted, and achieves nothing beyond a degree of loathing from those who are prepared to accept the result of a democratic vote of the people, (even if it did not go the way some of them wanted it to)
I am all for equality between genders, but I would want to see total equality, not the `equality' many of these women marchers deem is their right.
When I see women working in an abattoir, or cleaning out a sewer, or cesspit, or building houses, or bridges, or mining rocks out of the ground, and do all the nasty jobs that only men seem to have to do. I would accept that society is moving towards genuine equality, But women don't want those jobs at all, they only want the low effort, high paid jobs that `some' men do.
How often do we hear the bleat from women's groups that their partners don't do enough around the house, So they expect the bloke to go and do a days work outside the house, and when they get home, they then expect them to help with the house that `they' have been sitting on their a*ses in all day.
As others have rightly pointed out woman don't want equality, the want superiority.
Ironically both genders have achieved a form of equality, even though some such, as these protesters don't think that is good enough. If there was a such a severe imbalance in the `system' it would have fallen completely apart centuries ago. But it has not.
Quoted for posterity. It says so so much about you and your bitterness, and nothing about anything else.
Sad little man.
Greg66 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
No. democracy is where all eligible persons with no bias towards gender, colour, race, and religion are given the equal right and opportunity to vote on a matter. The votes are then counted, and the party which achieves the highest number of votes gets their position put into place.
Whining, protesting and marching about the result `after' the event is just sheer sour grapes, and smacks of nothing more than spoilt brats, scweeming and scweeming and stamping their lickle footsies because they did not get the result `they' wanted, and achieves nothing beyond a degree of loathing from those who are prepared to accept the result of a democratic vote of the people, (even if it did not go the way some of them wanted it to)
I am all for equality between genders, but I would want to see total equality, not the `equality' many of these women marchers deem is their right.
When I see women working in an abattoir, or cleaning out a sewer, or cesspit, or building houses, or bridges, or mining rocks out of the ground, and do all the nasty jobs that only men seem to have to do. I would accept that society is moving towards genuine equality, But women don't want those jobs at all, they only want the low effort, high paid jobs that `some' men do.
How often do we hear the bleat from women's groups that their partners don't do enough around the house, So they expect the bloke to go and do a days work outside the house, and when they get home, they then expect them to help with the house that `they' have been sitting on their a*ses in all day.
As others have rightly pointed out woman don't want equality, the want superiority.
Ironically both genders have achieved a form of equality, even though some such, as these protesters don't think that is good enough. If there was a such a severe imbalance in the `system' it would have fallen completely apart centuries ago. But it has not.
Whining, protesting and marching about the result `after' the event is just sheer sour grapes, and smacks of nothing more than spoilt brats, scweeming and scweeming and stamping their lickle footsies because they did not get the result `they' wanted, and achieves nothing beyond a degree of loathing from those who are prepared to accept the result of a democratic vote of the people, (even if it did not go the way some of them wanted it to)
I am all for equality between genders, but I would want to see total equality, not the `equality' many of these women marchers deem is their right.
When I see women working in an abattoir, or cleaning out a sewer, or cesspit, or building houses, or bridges, or mining rocks out of the ground, and do all the nasty jobs that only men seem to have to do. I would accept that society is moving towards genuine equality, But women don't want those jobs at all, they only want the low effort, high paid jobs that `some' men do.
How often do we hear the bleat from women's groups that their partners don't do enough around the house, So they expect the bloke to go and do a days work outside the house, and when they get home, they then expect them to help with the house that `they' have been sitting on their a*ses in all day.
As others have rightly pointed out woman don't want equality, the want superiority.
Ironically both genders have achieved a form of equality, even though some such, as these protesters don't think that is good enough. If there was a such a severe imbalance in the `system' it would have fallen completely apart centuries ago. But it has not.
Quoted for posterity. It says so so much about you and your bitterness, and nothing about anything else.
Sad little man.
Greg66 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
No. democracy is where all eligible persons with no bias towards gender, colour, race, and religion are given the equal right and opportunity to vote on a matter. The votes are then counted, and the party which achieves the highest number of votes gets their position put into place.
Whining, protesting and marching about the result `after' the event is just sheer sour grapes, and smacks of nothing more than spoilt brats, scweeming and scweeming and stamping their lickle footsies because they did not get the result `they' wanted, and achieves nothing beyond a degree of loathing from those who are prepared to accept the result of a democratic vote of the people, (even if it did not go the way some of them wanted it to)
I am all for equality between genders, but I would want to see total equality, not the `equality' many of these women marchers deem is their right.
When I see women working in an abattoir, or cleaning out a sewer, or cesspit, or building houses, or bridges, or mining rocks out of the ground, and do all the nasty jobs that only men seem to have to do. I would accept that society is moving towards genuine equality, But women don't want those jobs at all, they only want the low effort, high paid jobs that `some' men do.
How often do we hear the bleat from women's groups that their partners don't do enough around the house, So they expect the bloke to go and do a days work outside the house, and when they get home, they then expect them to help with the house that `they' have been sitting on their a*ses in all day.
As others have rightly pointed out woman don't want equality, the want superiority.
Ironically both genders have achieved a form of equality, even though some such, as these protesters don't think that is good enough. If there was a such a severe imbalance in the `system' it would have fallen completely apart centuries ago. But it has not.
Whining, protesting and marching about the result `after' the event is just sheer sour grapes, and smacks of nothing more than spoilt brats, scweeming and scweeming and stamping their lickle footsies because they did not get the result `they' wanted, and achieves nothing beyond a degree of loathing from those who are prepared to accept the result of a democratic vote of the people, (even if it did not go the way some of them wanted it to)
I am all for equality between genders, but I would want to see total equality, not the `equality' many of these women marchers deem is their right.
When I see women working in an abattoir, or cleaning out a sewer, or cesspit, or building houses, or bridges, or mining rocks out of the ground, and do all the nasty jobs that only men seem to have to do. I would accept that society is moving towards genuine equality, But women don't want those jobs at all, they only want the low effort, high paid jobs that `some' men do.
How often do we hear the bleat from women's groups that their partners don't do enough around the house, So they expect the bloke to go and do a days work outside the house, and when they get home, they then expect them to help with the house that `they' have been sitting on their a*ses in all day.
As others have rightly pointed out woman don't want equality, the want superiority.
Ironically both genders have achieved a form of equality, even though some such, as these protesters don't think that is good enough. If there was a such a severe imbalance in the `system' it would have fallen completely apart centuries ago. But it has not.
Quoted for posterity. It says so so much about you and your bitterness, and nothing about anything else.
Sad little man.
Greg66 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
No. democracy is where all eligible persons with no bias towards gender, colour, race, and religion are given the equal right and opportunity to vote on a matter. The votes are then counted, and the party which achieves the highest number of votes gets their position put into place.
Whining, protesting and marching about the result `after' the event is just sheer sour grapes, and smacks of nothing more than spoilt brats, scweeming and scweeming and stamping their lickle footsies because they did not get the result `they' wanted, and achieves nothing beyond a degree of loathing from those who are prepared to accept the result of a democratic vote of the people, (even if it did not go the way some of them wanted it to)
I am all for equality between genders, but I would want to see total equality, not the `equality' many of these women marchers deem is their right.
When I see women working in an abattoir, or cleaning out a sewer, or cesspit, or building houses, or bridges, or mining rocks out of the ground, and do all the nasty jobs that only men seem to have to do. I would accept that society is moving towards genuine equality, But women don't want those jobs at all, they only want the low effort, high paid jobs that `some' men do.
How often do we hear the bleat from women's groups that their partners don't do enough around the house, So they expect the bloke to go and do a days work outside the house, and when they get home, they then expect them to help with the house that `they' have been sitting on their a*ses in all day.
As others have rightly pointed out woman don't want equality, the want superiority.
Ironically both genders have achieved a form of equality, even though some such, as these protesters don't think that is good enough. If there was a such a severe imbalance in the `system' it would have fallen completely apart centuries ago. But it has not.
Whining, protesting and marching about the result `after' the event is just sheer sour grapes, and smacks of nothing more than spoilt brats, scweeming and scweeming and stamping their lickle footsies because they did not get the result `they' wanted, and achieves nothing beyond a degree of loathing from those who are prepared to accept the result of a democratic vote of the people, (even if it did not go the way some of them wanted it to)
I am all for equality between genders, but I would want to see total equality, not the `equality' many of these women marchers deem is their right.
When I see women working in an abattoir, or cleaning out a sewer, or cesspit, or building houses, or bridges, or mining rocks out of the ground, and do all the nasty jobs that only men seem to have to do. I would accept that society is moving towards genuine equality, But women don't want those jobs at all, they only want the low effort, high paid jobs that `some' men do.
How often do we hear the bleat from women's groups that their partners don't do enough around the house, So they expect the bloke to go and do a days work outside the house, and when they get home, they then expect them to help with the house that `they' have been sitting on their a*ses in all day.
As others have rightly pointed out woman don't want equality, the want superiority.
Ironically both genders have achieved a form of equality, even though some such, as these protesters don't think that is good enough. If there was a such a severe imbalance in the `system' it would have fallen completely apart centuries ago. But it has not.
Quoted for posterity. It says so so much about you and your bitterness, and nothing about anything else.
Sad little man.
Pan Pan Pan said:
Like all snowflakes you simply melt in the face of reality, and the truth. I am not bitter at all, just a realist. You it seems are not, the absolute definition of a snowflake.
Amazing! You've actually managed to make yourself sound even more of a dildo! I wouldn't have believed it possible, but you've done it.
Well done!
Pan Pan Pan said:
Greg66 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
No. democracy is where all eligible persons with no bias towards gender, colour, race, and religion are given the equal right and opportunity to vote on a matter. The votes are then counted, and the party which achieves the highest number of votes gets their position put into place.
Whining, protesting and marching about the result `after' the event is just sheer sour grapes, and smacks of nothing more than spoilt brats, scweeming and scweeming and stamping their lickle footsies because they did not get the result `they' wanted, and achieves nothing beyond a degree of loathing from those who are prepared to accept the result of a democratic vote of the people, (even if it did not go the way some of them wanted it to)
I am all for equality between genders, but I would want to see total equality, not the `equality' many of these women marchers deem is their right.
When I see women working in an abattoir, or cleaning out a sewer, or cesspit, or building houses, or bridges, or mining rocks out of the ground, and do all the nasty jobs that only men seem to have to do. I would accept that society is moving towards genuine equality, But women don't want those jobs at all, they only want the low effort, high paid jobs that `some' men do.
How often do we hear the bleat from women's groups that their partners don't do enough around the house, So they expect the bloke to go and do a days work outside the house, and when they get home, they then expect them to help with the house that `they' have been sitting on their a*ses in all day.
As others have rightly pointed out woman don't want equality, the want superiority.
Ironically both genders have achieved a form of equality, even though some such, as these protesters don't think that is good enough. If there was a such a severe imbalance in the `system' it would have fallen completely apart centuries ago. But it has not.
Whining, protesting and marching about the result `after' the event is just sheer sour grapes, and smacks of nothing more than spoilt brats, scweeming and scweeming and stamping their lickle footsies because they did not get the result `they' wanted, and achieves nothing beyond a degree of loathing from those who are prepared to accept the result of a democratic vote of the people, (even if it did not go the way some of them wanted it to)
I am all for equality between genders, but I would want to see total equality, not the `equality' many of these women marchers deem is their right.
When I see women working in an abattoir, or cleaning out a sewer, or cesspit, or building houses, or bridges, or mining rocks out of the ground, and do all the nasty jobs that only men seem to have to do. I would accept that society is moving towards genuine equality, But women don't want those jobs at all, they only want the low effort, high paid jobs that `some' men do.
How often do we hear the bleat from women's groups that their partners don't do enough around the house, So they expect the bloke to go and do a days work outside the house, and when they get home, they then expect them to help with the house that `they' have been sitting on their a*ses in all day.
As others have rightly pointed out woman don't want equality, the want superiority.
Ironically both genders have achieved a form of equality, even though some such, as these protesters don't think that is good enough. If there was a such a severe imbalance in the `system' it would have fallen completely apart centuries ago. But it has not.
Quoted for posterity. It says so so much about you and your bitterness, and nothing about anything else.
Sad little man.
Greg66 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Like all snowflakes you simply melt in the face of reality, and the truth. I am not bitter at all, just a realist. You it seems are not, the absolute definition of a snowflake.
Amazing! You've actually managed to make yourself sound even more of a dildo! I wouldn't have believed it possible, but you've done it.
Well done!
Tannedbaldhead said:
"Protests" and the can't pay wont pay campaign finished the poll tax.
Protests in the form of marches as one element of a wider campaign sometimes work and nearly always take time, sometimes years.Going on a one off march, reflection on today's instant society. I'm sure the Facebook and Instagram pages are full of selfIes.
It suits the State though, whoever is in charge. Come and vent for a day and go home.
Pan Pan Pan said:
Greg66 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
No. democracy is where all eligible persons with no bias towards gender, colour, race, and religion are given the equal right and opportunity to vote on a matter. The votes are then counted, and the party which achieves the highest number of votes gets their position put into place.
Whining, protesting and marching about the result `after' the event is just sheer sour grapes, and smacks of nothing more than spoilt brats, scweeming and scweeming and stamping their lickle footsies because they did not get the result `they' wanted, and achieves nothing beyond a degree of loathing from those who are prepared to accept the result of a democratic vote of the people, (even if it did not go the way some of them wanted it to)
I am all for equality between genders, but I would want to see total equality, not the `equality' many of these women marchers deem is their right.
When I see women working in an abattoir, or cleaning out a sewer, or cesspit, or building houses, or bridges, or mining rocks out of the ground, and do all the nasty jobs that only men seem to have to do. I would accept that society is moving towards genuine equality, But women don't want those jobs at all, they only want the low effort, high paid jobs that `some' men do.
How often do we hear the bleat from women's groups that their partners don't do enough around the house, So they expect the bloke to go and do a days work outside the house, and when they get home, they then expect them to help with the house that `they' have been sitting on their a*ses in all day.
As others have rightly pointed out woman don't want equality, the want superiority.
Ironically both genders have achieved a form of equality, even though some such, as these protesters don't think that is good enough. If there was a such a severe imbalance in the `system' it would have fallen completely apart centuries ago. But it has not.
Whining, protesting and marching about the result `after' the event is just sheer sour grapes, and smacks of nothing more than spoilt brats, scweeming and scweeming and stamping their lickle footsies because they did not get the result `they' wanted, and achieves nothing beyond a degree of loathing from those who are prepared to accept the result of a democratic vote of the people, (even if it did not go the way some of them wanted it to)
I am all for equality between genders, but I would want to see total equality, not the `equality' many of these women marchers deem is their right.
When I see women working in an abattoir, or cleaning out a sewer, or cesspit, or building houses, or bridges, or mining rocks out of the ground, and do all the nasty jobs that only men seem to have to do. I would accept that society is moving towards genuine equality, But women don't want those jobs at all, they only want the low effort, high paid jobs that `some' men do.
How often do we hear the bleat from women's groups that their partners don't do enough around the house, So they expect the bloke to go and do a days work outside the house, and when they get home, they then expect them to help with the house that `they' have been sitting on their a*ses in all day.
As others have rightly pointed out woman don't want equality, the want superiority.
Ironically both genders have achieved a form of equality, even though some such, as these protesters don't think that is good enough. If there was a such a severe imbalance in the `system' it would have fallen completely apart centuries ago. But it has not.
Quoted for posterity. It says so so much about you and your bitterness, and nothing about anything else.
Sad little man.
t on here? It is a ridiculous baby's word and just makes you sound like a teenage halfwit.Anyway, snowflakes melt due to temperature increases, not by being confronted with reality. Also, the definition of a snowflake absolutely is not 'a man you disagree with on the internet'. What a stupid post.
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