Protesting - useful/gets things done or a waste of time?
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Randy Winkman said:
don4l said:
Good post.
My wife hates it when feminists try to tell her how to act. We are equals, but we have different roles. She does things that I think are silly -irons my socks is one example. I do things that she thinks are daft - making an already loud exhaust even louder.
Feminists would probably be outraged at the idea of a woman ironing her husband's socks. However, she actually does have a good reason. She likes to listen to the Sunday play on Radio 4. She doesn't like to "single task". Ironing socks allows her to keep her hands busy while she enjoys the play.
Is the last bit real?My wife hates it when feminists try to tell her how to act. We are equals, but we have different roles. She does things that I think are silly -irons my socks is one example. I do things that she thinks are daft - making an already loud exhaust even louder.
Feminists would probably be outraged at the idea of a woman ironing her husband's socks. However, she actually does have a good reason. She likes to listen to the Sunday play on Radio 4. She doesn't like to "single task". Ironing socks allows her to keep her hands busy while she enjoys the play.
Had a friend who would regularly ask if I had any ironing I wanted done when I was a student. Lovely girl. Married a top bloke to.
Weren't the Brixton/Toxteth/Handsworth/Broadwater Estate riots prove pretty successful?
Resulted in massive changes in UK policing and the whole Liverpool regeneration program led by Heseltine.
The Vietnam war protests pretty much finished US action in Vietnam.
The Black Civil Rights Protest led by Dr King proved fruitful.
The Civil Rights protests in Northern Ireland brought down the Unionist Storemont Government.
Street protests finished Communism.
I could go on. It can work.
Resulted in massive changes in UK policing and the whole Liverpool regeneration program led by Heseltine.
The Vietnam war protests pretty much finished US action in Vietnam.
The Black Civil Rights Protest led by Dr King proved fruitful.
The Civil Rights protests in Northern Ireland brought down the Unionist Storemont Government.
Street protests finished Communism.
I could go on. It can work.
Rude-boy said:
Randy Winkman said:
don4l said:
Good post.
My wife hates it when feminists try to tell her how to act. We are equals, but we have different roles. She does things that I think are silly -irons my socks is one example. I do things that she thinks are daft - making an already loud exhaust even louder.
Feminists would probably be outraged at the idea of a woman ironing her husband's socks. However, she actually does have a good reason. She likes to listen to the Sunday play on Radio 4. She doesn't like to "single task". Ironing socks allows her to keep her hands busy while she enjoys the play.
Is the last bit real?My wife hates it when feminists try to tell her how to act. We are equals, but we have different roles. She does things that I think are silly -irons my socks is one example. I do things that she thinks are daft - making an already loud exhaust even louder.
Feminists would probably be outraged at the idea of a woman ironing her husband's socks. However, she actually does have a good reason. She likes to listen to the Sunday play on Radio 4. She doesn't like to "single task". Ironing socks allows her to keep her hands busy while she enjoys the play.
Had a friend who would regularly ask if I had any ironing I wanted done when I was a student. Lovely girl. Married a top bloke to.
SKP555 said:
Usually a waste of time. I think to be successful they have to be popular and right, or have overwhelming force.
Tuition fees didn't work because it was mostly just a group of overgrown children demanding that the state pay for their extended adolescence.
The Countryside Alliance protests didn't work because they were unpopular.
The Iraq war protests were useful because they provided a focal point for opposition which ultimately showed the venture to be at very best misguided.
The poll tax protests worked because they caused enough mayhem that Thatcher's enemies in government felt emboldened enough to oust her.
Protests against Trump and Brexit will fade away because they are mostly just indignation from people who are annoyed about not getting their own way. However they might provide a basis for some sort of opposition movement in the longer term.
I think one of the most important things about protests like this is that it shows people that they are not alone in thinking the same way. Tuition fees didn't work because it was mostly just a group of overgrown children demanding that the state pay for their extended adolescence.
The Countryside Alliance protests didn't work because they were unpopular.
The Iraq war protests were useful because they provided a focal point for opposition which ultimately showed the venture to be at very best misguided.
The poll tax protests worked because they caused enough mayhem that Thatcher's enemies in government felt emboldened enough to oust her.
Protests against Trump and Brexit will fade away because they are mostly just indignation from people who are annoyed about not getting their own way. However they might provide a basis for some sort of opposition movement in the longer term.
Protesting doesn't mean a government is going to change it's mind, especially if it never had your votes anyway, but I think that the reassurance that you're not a lone nutter because you believe in state funded education, womens rights, immigration controls, ending abortion or whatever is an important part in shaping national attitudes.
https://youtu.be/3-son3EJTrU?t=461
Can't find this on YouTube so it's a Facebook link
https://www.facebook.com/raheemjkassam/videos/5999...
Young reporter finds most people on Anti Trump March have no idea what they are protesting about
With the obvious caveat that it's possibly selective editing. Its quite telling about the average intellect of the snowflake generation
https://www.facebook.com/raheemjkassam/videos/5999...
Young reporter finds most people on Anti Trump March have no idea what they are protesting about
With the obvious caveat that it's possibly selective editing. Its quite telling about the average intellect of the snowflake generation
Rich_W said:
Can't find this on YouTube so it's a Facebook link
https://www.facebook.com/raheemjkassam/videos/5999...
Young reporter finds most people on Anti Trump March have no idea what they are protesting about
With the obvious caveat that it's possibly selective editing. Its quite telling about the average intellect of the snowflake generation
TBH I think voting on how you "feel" about something is not a partisan thing. There are many examples of Brexiteers, Remainers anti-Obamacare, high/low taxation Yes/No types who have no real critical thinking behind their position.https://www.facebook.com/raheemjkassam/videos/5999...
Young reporter finds most people on Anti Trump March have no idea what they are protesting about
With the obvious caveat that it's possibly selective editing. Its quite telling about the average intellect of the snowflake generation
Rich_W said:
Can't find this on YouTube so it's a Facebook link
https://www.facebook.com/raheemjkassam/videos/5999...
Young reporter finds most people on Anti Trump March have no idea what they are protesting about
With the obvious caveat that it's possibly selective editing. Its quite telling about the average intellect of the snowflake generation
Why was someone (at the end) dressed up as a wasp (could have been a bee)?https://www.facebook.com/raheemjkassam/videos/5999...
Young reporter finds most people on Anti Trump March have no idea what they are protesting about
With the obvious caveat that it's possibly selective editing. Its quite telling about the average intellect of the snowflake generation
Rich_W said:
Can't find this on YouTube so it's a Facebook link
https://www.facebook.com/raheemjkassam/videos/5999...
Young reporter finds most people on Anti Trump March have no idea what they are protesting about
With the obvious caveat that it's possibly selective editing. Its quite telling about the average intellect of the snowflake generation
How about this for uneducated Americans of all political persuasions...https://www.facebook.com/raheemjkassam/videos/5999...
Young reporter finds most people on Anti Trump March have no idea what they are protesting about
With the obvious caveat that it's possibly selective editing. Its quite telling about the average intellect of the snowflake generation
http://www.thewrap.com/jimmy-kimmel-obamacare-affo...
rscott said:
How about this for uneducated Americans of all political persuasions...
http://www.thewrap.com/jimmy-kimmel-obamacare-affo...
NPR/ipsos did some polling on the ACA. Lots of people have no clue:http://www.thewrap.com/jimmy-kimmel-obamacare-affo...
http://www.npr.org/2017/01/12/509314717/we-asked-p...
I think protesting can be useful in a couple of ways.
Well organised protests as part of wider campaign with simple, clear goals, that are at least partly based on righting some 'common sense' injustice seem to be reasonably effective at changing the mood of a population and resulting in changes of political policy, or just how everyone thinks of a topic. Fall of the Berlin Wall maybe an example?
Protests like the recent feminist anti-Trump one serve another purpose though.
Imagine feminist politics is your hobby; you chat about it all the time, you were convinced that Hillary would walk it, Clinton, Merkel & May running the world, your views are now mainstream & obvious, it's repeated back to you in everything you read & from everyone you talk to, it's our time, clearly Trump is some kind of evil madman, everyone can see that, no-one sane could vote for him, a f***ing wall, this is ridiculous, he grabs ladies by the pussy!?!, I mean Hillary isn't perfect, but...
He won!!!! What the actual f*** is happening?
For people that were deeply emotionally invested in the outcome it must have been devastating, what was once obvious & a certainty is no more. They need something to help them feel better about it, to process what has happened, to feel that they aren't completely alone. Maybe a slightly incoherent walk about with a few thousand similarly minded people is not a bad way to process those feelings. It's pointless and useless for those not attending, but maybe it helped those who did feel a little better.
Dialogue & Bargaining stage?
Well organised protests as part of wider campaign with simple, clear goals, that are at least partly based on righting some 'common sense' injustice seem to be reasonably effective at changing the mood of a population and resulting in changes of political policy, or just how everyone thinks of a topic. Fall of the Berlin Wall maybe an example?
Protests like the recent feminist anti-Trump one serve another purpose though.
Imagine feminist politics is your hobby; you chat about it all the time, you were convinced that Hillary would walk it, Clinton, Merkel & May running the world, your views are now mainstream & obvious, it's repeated back to you in everything you read & from everyone you talk to, it's our time, clearly Trump is some kind of evil madman, everyone can see that, no-one sane could vote for him, a f***ing wall, this is ridiculous, he grabs ladies by the pussy!?!, I mean Hillary isn't perfect, but...
He won!!!! What the actual f*** is happening?
For people that were deeply emotionally invested in the outcome it must have been devastating, what was once obvious & a certainty is no more. They need something to help them feel better about it, to process what has happened, to feel that they aren't completely alone. Maybe a slightly incoherent walk about with a few thousand similarly minded people is not a bad way to process those feelings. It's pointless and useless for those not attending, but maybe it helped those who did feel a little better.
Dialogue & Bargaining stage?
unrepentant said:
Rude-boy said:
Randy Winkman said:
don4l said:
Good post.
My wife hates it when feminists try to tell her how to act. We are equals, but we have different roles. She does things that I think are silly -irons my socks is one example. I do things that she thinks are daft - making an already loud exhaust even louder.
Feminists would probably be outraged at the idea of a woman ironing her husband's socks. However, she actually does have a good reason. She likes to listen to the Sunday play on Radio 4. She doesn't like to "single task". Ironing socks allows her to keep her hands busy while she enjoys the play.
Is the last bit real?My wife hates it when feminists try to tell her how to act. We are equals, but we have different roles. She does things that I think are silly -irons my socks is one example. I do things that she thinks are daft - making an already loud exhaust even louder.
Feminists would probably be outraged at the idea of a woman ironing her husband's socks. However, she actually does have a good reason. She likes to listen to the Sunday play on Radio 4. She doesn't like to "single task". Ironing socks allows her to keep her hands busy while she enjoys the play.
Had a friend who would regularly ask if I had any ironing I wanted done when I was a student. Lovely girl. Married a top bloke to.
grantone said:
I think protesting can be useful in a couple of ways.
Well organised protests as part of wider campaign with simple, clear goals, that are at least partly based on righting some 'common sense' injustice seem to be reasonably effective at changing the mood of a population and resulting in changes of political policy, or just how everyone thinks of a topic. Fall of the Berlin Wall maybe an example?
Protests like the recent feminist anti-Trump one serve another purpose though.
Imagine feminist politics is your hobby; you chat about it all the time, you were convinced that Hillary would walk it, Clinton, Merkel & May running the world, your views are now mainstream & obvious, it's repeated back to you in everything you read & from everyone you talk to, it's our time, clearly Trump is some kind of evil madman, everyone can see that, no-one sane could vote for him, a f***ing wall, this is ridiculous, he grabs ladies by the pussy!?!, I mean Hillary isn't perfect, but...
He won!!!! What the actual f*** is happening?
For people that were deeply emotionally invested in the outcome it must have been devastating, what was once obvious & a certainty is no more. They need something to help them feel better about it, to process what has happened, to feel that they aren't completely alone. Maybe a slightly incoherent walk about with a few thousand similarly minded people is not a bad way to process those feelings. It's pointless and useless for those not attending, but maybe it helped those who did feel a little better.
Dialogue & Bargaining stage?
I prefer this.Well organised protests as part of wider campaign with simple, clear goals, that are at least partly based on righting some 'common sense' injustice seem to be reasonably effective at changing the mood of a population and resulting in changes of political policy, or just how everyone thinks of a topic. Fall of the Berlin Wall maybe an example?
Protests like the recent feminist anti-Trump one serve another purpose though.
Imagine feminist politics is your hobby; you chat about it all the time, you were convinced that Hillary would walk it, Clinton, Merkel & May running the world, your views are now mainstream & obvious, it's repeated back to you in everything you read & from everyone you talk to, it's our time, clearly Trump is some kind of evil madman, everyone can see that, no-one sane could vote for him, a f***ing wall, this is ridiculous, he grabs ladies by the pussy!?!, I mean Hillary isn't perfect, but...
He won!!!! What the actual f*** is happening?
For people that were deeply emotionally invested in the outcome it must have been devastating, what was once obvious & a certainty is no more. They need something to help them feel better about it, to process what has happened, to feel that they aren't completely alone. Maybe a slightly incoherent walk about with a few thousand similarly minded people is not a bad way to process those feelings. It's pointless and useless for those not attending, but maybe it helped those who did feel a little better.
Dialogue & Bargaining stage?
https://youtu.be/G_Z3lmidmrY
There are protests and then there are emergency protests. I guess the latter shows us all that they really mean business.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/ne...
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/ne...
BlackLabel said:
There are protests and then there are emergency protests. I guess the latter shows us all that they really mean business.
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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/ne...
The time to worry about OJ is when he does the rallying call for the "This is a REALLY Serious Emergency Protest"....
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/ne...
He's a tool. He quite evidently cannot read or make accurate logical deduction either.
Twitter was made for people like him.
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