Protesting - useful/gets things done or a waste of time?

[fido]

I had dinner with a female acquaintance who went on the march. She said the guy who organised her particular group was a loony/leftist/knobber. I'm guessing that as with many of these protests that some people go for a day out, some go to make a point i.e. align with their brand of politics, and some genuinely care about the issues at hand. It would take a brave man to speak disapprovingly of this march - but in my heart I can't get behind this one - seems like more Trump bashing from the [il]liberal lefties.

[unrepentant]

Hoofy said:

unrepentant said:

it may be a catalyst for mobilizing people for 2018 and 2020.

Please explain the 2018 and 2020 thing. (Genuinely interested, not sarcasm.)

Mid term elections coming up in 2018. Senate and house seats will be in play. 2020 is the next general.

Dems need new leadership. The re election of Nancy Pelosi was not likely to fire up the new generation of voters. They need the likes of Corey Booker, Juluan Castro and Kamala Harris to get a higher profile.

[Tannedbaldhead]

"Protests" and the can't pay wont pay campaign finished the poll tax.

[alftupper]

My wife went on the march today , i was fully supportive as long as the tea was on the table at 6 o'clock .

[wc98]

don4l said:

The Countryside Alliance never had anything to worry about.

i think the short period of time when edward duke was at the helm was quite worrying for them don4l . they did sort it quickly to their credit.

[Cold]

Some things are worth protesting about.

[KrissKross]

Greg66 said:

Fozziebear said:

Greg66 said:

The protests are by women, against the perceived threat to women's rights that is Trump.

So yes, no real surprise that PH doesn't get it.

Unless they are living in Saudi or some other Stone Age country I'm doubting they have much to worry about

QED.

Didn't take long either. PH delivers again.

So you agree with him on that point, I doubt many women were out protesting in the middle east today.

Like a lot of people I too am unable to understand what the marches are about, is someone here able to explain?

[Hoofy]

unrepentant said:

Hoofy said:

unrepentant said:

it may be a catalyst for mobilizing people for 2018 and 2020.

Please explain the 2018 and 2020 thing. (Genuinely interested, not sarcasm.)

Mid term elections coming up in 2018. Senate and house seats will be in play. 2020 is the next general.

Dems need new leadership. The re election of Nancy Pelosi was not likely to fire up the new generation of voters. They need the likes of Corey Booker, Juluan Castro and Kamala Harris to get a higher profile.

Ah, so the protests might be useful. Do the protesters plan things this way, though? I thought a lot of them were just calling for women's equality etc?

[unrepentant]

Hoofy said:

unrepentant said:

Hoofy said:

unrepentant said:

it may be a catalyst for mobilizing people for 2018 and 2020.

Please explain the 2018 and 2020 thing. (Genuinely interested, not sarcasm.)

Mid term elections coming up in 2018. Senate and house seats will be in play. 2020 is the next general.

Dems need new leadership. The re election of Nancy Pelosi was not likely to fire up the new generation of voters. They need the likes of Corey Booker, Juluan Castro and Kamala Harris to get a higher profile.

Ah, so the protests might be useful. Do the protesters plan things this way, though? I thought a lot of them were just calling for women's equality etc?

Take a look at Mike Pence's views (and actions) on women's rights. We all know that Trump thinks that women are just objects but Pence has much darker ideas. I think most of the people marching today also care about healthcare, immigrants rights and a whole basket of other issues that put them at odds with the new administration.

[Sylvaforever]

unrepentant said:

Hoofy said:

unrepentant said:

Hoofy said:

unrepentant said:

it may be a catalyst for mobilizing people for 2018 and 2020.

Please explain the 2018 and 2020 thing. (Genuinely interested, not sarcasm.)

Mid term elections coming up in 2018. Senate and house seats will be in play. 2020 is the next general.

Dems need new leadership. The re election of Nancy Pelosi was not likely to fire up the new generation of voters. They need the likes of Corey Booker, Juluan Castro and Kamala Harris to get a higher profile.

Ah, so the protests might be useful. Do the protesters plan things this way, though? I thought a lot of them were just calling for women's equality etc?

Take a look at Mike Pence's views (and actions) on women's rights. We all know that Trump thinks that women are just objects but Pence has much darker ideas. I think most of the people marching today also care about healthcare, immigrants rights and a whole basket of other issues that put them at odds with the new administration.

It is odd they ignore the obvious, as you yourself have done.

[unrepentant]

Sylvaforever said:

It is odd they ignore the obvious, as you yourself have done.

I was answering Hoofy's question to me. I have no interest whatsoever in what you think or don't think.

[wc98]

unrepentant said:

Mid term elections coming up in 2018. Senate and house seats will be in play. 2020 is the next general.

Dems need new leadership. The re election of Nancy Pelosi was not likely to fire up the new generation of voters. They need the likes of Corey Booker, Juluan Castro and Kamala Harris to get a higher profile.

welcome back ! hope you enjoyed your vacation

[anonymous-user]

Biker 1 said:

I did a little light motorcycling this morning, followed by some tinkering. Neighbours just went out, so I put on my new Iron Maiden LP (vinyl) & turned it up to 11, with a nice up of tea in warm living room. Meanwhile, rent-a-mob & the usual suspects/great unwashed

How times have changed, us bikers were always refered to as the 'great unwashed' god forbid if we turned up at the pub squeaky clean.

[Fozziebear]

KrissKross said:

Greg66 said:

Fozziebear said:

Greg66 said:

The protests are by women, against the perceived threat to women's rights that is Trump.

So yes, no real surprise that PH doesn't get it.

Unless they are living in Saudi or some other Stone Age country I'm doubting they have much to worry about

QED.

Didn't take long either. PH delivers again.

So you agree with him on that point, I doubt many women were out protesting in the middle east today.

Like a lot of people I too am unable to understand what the marches are about, is someone here able to explain?

From most of the pictures and clips I've seen it's having to pay for tampons, blowing up the White House and all men are the devil. I still want to know what the above statement ref PH delivers again means please?

[Johnnytheboy]

As a rule I find that the protesting classes have the opposite view to me on everything, so seeing a protest on TV on a subject I have no knowledge on can be a useful way of choosing which side I am on.

[anonymous-user]

Fozziebear said:

Greg66 said:

The protests are by women, against the perceived threat to women's rights that is Trump.

So yes, no real surprise that PH doesn't get it.

...I still want to know what the above statement ref PH delivers again means please?

PH does not get women's rights issues-especially when it comes to sexual harassment/assault/rape.

The majority default responses to NP+E threads on sexual harassment/assault/rape are that the three only happen if the guy is deemed 'ugly' or if drink was involved that the woman just regretted it and should take more responsibility around drink. They never see them as societal issues that need to be addressed they just think that women cry rape/harassment unless they were jumped by a stranger and they were sober and were wearing baggy clothes. (Unless the perpetrators are Muslim in which case it's a very serious matter for PHand we have a monster NP+E thread!)

These protests are partly around the fact that Trump appears to not have to face any consequences for admitting that he sexually assaulted women (There's also the Mike Pence stuff on women's healthcare/abortion) If you take a look at Jezebel or other places with a feminist slant the issue of consequences for sexual crimes is big in the US at the moment with other cases such as the Stanford swimmer case. This lack of consequence is scary to a lot of women because it seems that men (especially rich ones) do not have to face consequences or severe enough consequences to deter them from committing sexual assault.

So they're protesting about sexual assault as a societal issue, something NP+E as a majority does not get.

[Smiler.]

cookie118 said:

Fozziebear said:

Greg66 said:

The protests are by women, against the perceived threat to women's rights that is Trump.

So yes, no real surprise that PH doesn't get it.

...I still want to know what the above statement ref PH delivers again means please?

PH does not get women's rights issues-especially when it comes to sexual harassment/assault/rape.

The majority default responses to NP+E threads on sexual harassment/assault/rape are that the three only happen if the guy is deemed 'ugly' or if drink was involved that the woman just regretted it and should take more responsibility around drink. They never see them as societal issues that need to be addressed they just think that women cry rape/harassment unless they were jumped by a stranger and they were sober and were wearing baggy clothes. (Unless the perpetrators are Muslim in which case it's a very serious matter for PHand we have a monster NP+E thread!)

These protests are partly around the fact that Trump appears to not have to face any consequences for admitting that he sexually assaulted women (There's also the Mike Pence stuff on women's healthcare/abortion) If you take a look at Jezebel or other places with a feminist slant the issue of consequences for sexual crimes is big in the US at the moment with other cases such as the Stanford swimmer case. This lack of consequence is scary to a lot of women because it seems that men (especially rich ones) do not have to face consequences or severe enough consequences to deter them from committing sexual assault.

So they're protesting about sexual assault as a societal issue, something NP+E as a majority does not get.

Bold statement is, er, bold.

Who says? You obviously do.

I take it you have statistics for all the readers posters? Of course you don't.

And it's the sensationalist statements like this that result in a switch off for some (possibly a lot) of people when reading or hearing them.

And the feminist quarter produce a constant stream of CIS white male blah blah etc etc.

Could it be that the reality is that it's not everyone's experience. It obviously is for some, but not everyone. And not all the time.

The problem with over egging the point, is that eventually, after decades of it, some people (possibly a lot) just no longer care.

[Don]

Protesting is a total and utter waste of time.

Changes nothing.

Voting, on the other hand, changes a lot. Do protest marches change how people will vote? I'd argue not much, if at all...

[Einion Yrth]

Don said:

Protesting is a total and utter waste of time.

Changes nothing.

Voting, on the other hand, changes a lot. Do protest marches change how people will vote? I'd argue not much, if at all...

Quite possibly counter productive; seeing a bunch of screeching no-marks with dogs on string and poor dress-sense defacing public monuments and putting out shop windows does not draw me to support their cause, no matter how worthwhile it might otherwise have been.

[PurpleMoonlight]

cookie118 said:

PH does not get women's rights issues-especially when it comes to sexual harassment/assault/rape.

Rubbish.

Nobody objects women having equality.

But they don't want equality, they want superiority.