Branson - I will block Brexit !!

[s3fella]

i don't know what Branson does nowadays nor what his numerous business interests are. But if there was a definitive list of them, id happily boycott anything the has an interest in. why?, because hes trying to derail the way the people have voted we should go. imho, any of these corporations or people who threaten uk with moving or leaving and no longer supporting a nation that in many cases have made them what they are can fk right off. If everyone just voted with their wallets when these people hold guns to the country's head, they'd have no business to worry about when we finally do Brexit!

You'd think theyd have learned that British MOPs tend to say "fk you" in recent times when the scaremongers get their message out in the press.

So fk you Branson, Blair, Sturgeon, Geldof and all these other s whove made a living on the back of UK public.
Why does he think he knows better than anyone else, he doesn't even know how to ride a bike.

[Stickyfinger]

I used to be impressed by the man until I sat next on a small aircraft going to the BVI, he talked constantly about how great he is, what a tt is all I could think. He seemed offended that all I wanted to do was sleep.

[thegreenhell]

964Cup said:

So is the general consensus here that the way democracy works is that you get one chance to vote then if it goes the wrong way from your point of view you have to shut up entirely until the next time you get a chance to vote?

Why do we have an official opposition party then, I wonder?

Democracy isn't like some kind of playground dominance game. It's a continuous process, with a variety of decision-making mechanisms. The only constraint is that everyone has to follow the law of the land; making those laws is what you get to do if you win. So *anything* that someone chooses to do in order to continue to oppose a decision with which they disagree is absolutely part of the democratic process, so long as it's legal.

Frankly, given the current ineffectiveness of the official opposition, I'm grateful to anyone who steps up to keep the government on its toes and questions its decisions. I say that without regard to the way I voted in the referendum (or the preceding general election, for that matter). I think it's particularly important while we have a government which is no longer led by the people who wrote the manifesto that originally got it elected, and which is no longer following that manifesto.

A key tenet of the way democracy works is that, win or lose, you accept the result of the votes cast by the majority of the population. Without that, I don't know what you have, but it isn't democracy.

The role of the opposition party in Parliament is not to try to overturn an election result they just lost and prevent the winning party from governing; it is to provide policy opposition, to remind the government of their election promises, to prevent them from just enacting whatever new policies and laws they feel like, and basically try to keep them in line.

There is a key difference between a General Election and the referendum. In a GE you're voting for a ruling party to make policy decisions on the governance of the country on your behalf for the next five years, with the clear understanding that there will be parliamentary opposition to the government during that period. That's how the system works. The referendum was a vote on a specific policy, with the clear understanding that, whatever the result, it would be enacted.

The role of the 'opposition' now is to try to ensure that the Brexit negotiations are handled properly with the best (or least worst, depending on your position) possible outcome from it for this country. It is not to try to prevent it from happening. The time for that was during the referendum campaign, before the votes were cast and counted. Or even before that, in trying to prevent the referendum occurring in the first place. That time has passed.

It's also worth remembering that it was one of Cameron's headline election promises to hold the referendum if he was voted into power again at the General Election, so at least you can say he was good to his word on that. But you could also argue that we have had two votes on the subject of EU membership. Where was the opposition to a possible Brexit at the last GE? How many 'remainers' would have not voted Tory if they thought there was a real possibility of the UK leaving the EU as a result of a Tory election promise? How many 'leavers' voted Tory just to try to force the referendum to happen? Is that not democracy in action?

How many people who are now whining about the result didn't vote in either?

[Stickyfinger]

A primary role of the government of the day is to provide, by the votes of the elected members of the party in the majority, a Prime Minister. This does not need to be from the Party elected with a majority of MP's.
Also, to provide a stable government during times of great change and uncertainty.

Both are being provided by the elected members of the majority party.

[jjlynn27]

Stickyfinger said:

I used to be impressed by the man until I sat next on a small aircraft going to the BVI, he talked constantly about how great he is, what a tt is all I could think. He seemed offended that all I wanted to do was sleep.

Yes, that did happen. RB trying to impress Sticky. He was probably after business advice or maybe next round of funding for his latest venture.

[Stickyfinger]

Sorry it did.

Flying out with G'friend who's boss (City man with mega bucks) had loaned her his boat for 2 weeks (Docked in the BVI) as her Christmas bonus.....I was free loading except for the flights.
Flew into USVI on Amreican Airlines. Virgin do not (did not) fly to the USVI.

sorry to spoil your night.

Edited by Stickyfinger on Sunday 22 January 22:35

[crankedup]

s3fella said:

i don't know what Branson does nowadays nor what his numerous business interests are. But if there was a definitive list of them, id happily boycott anything the has an interest in. why?, because hes trying to derail the way the people have voted we should go. imho, any of these corporations or people who threaten uk with moving or leaving and no longer supporting a nation that in many cases have made them what they are can fk right off. If everyone just voted with their wallets when these people hold guns to the country's head, they'd have no business to worry about when we finally do Brexit!

You'd think theyd have learned that British MOPs tend to say "fk you" in recent times when the scaremongers get their message out in the press.

So fk you Branson, Blair, Sturgeon, Geldof and all these other s whove made a living on the back of UK public.
Why does he think he knows better than anyone else, he doesn't even know how to ride a bike.

Just my thinking, well done that fellow PHer!!

[crankedup]

Heard Branson a couple of years back on a radio broadcast. Can't recall the subject but no doubt a Branson business to promote. Branson waffled on and in his conclusion just stopped himself referring to the great British public as the masses, and used the term 'the public'. The term masses was on the tip of his tongue, and then he just drew back from that.

Did I purchase a 7" inch single from his sh back in the 1970's, nope. The man has done fantastically well of course, sadly he left his roots far behind. Money can breed contempt it seems.

[jjlynn27]

Stickyfinger said:

Sorry it did.

Flying out with G'friend who's boss (City man with mega bucks) had loaned her his boat for 2 weeks (Docked in the BVI) as her Christmas bonus.....I was free loading except for the flights.
Flew into USVI on Amreican Airlines. Virgin do not (did not) fly to the USVI.

sorry to spoil your night.

Edited by Stickyfinger on Sunday 22 January 22:35

Why would that spoil my night? I enjoy Walter Mitty stories.

"RB tried to impress me" ahahahahahaha.

[Stickyfinger]

jjlynn27 said:

Why would that spoil my night? I enjoy Walter Mitty stories.

"RB tried to impress me" ahahahahahaha.

Well, I really enjoyed my holiday, best one of my life I think.
I cannot think why else he had the need to talk about himself and his island constantly, can you you ? If so I am happy to withdraw "impress"

[Sump]

s3fella said:

imho, any of these corporations or people who threaten uk with moving or leaving and no longer supporting a nation that in many cases have made them what they are can fk right off.

Ladies and gentlemen, your typical Brexiteer. Take a bow s3fella.

[zarjaz1991]

Sump said:

Ladies and gentlemen, your typical Brexiteer. Take a bow s3fella.

Yeah, cos it's loads better when big business tells us how to run the country isn't it.

[Sump]

zarjaz1991 said:

Sump said:

Ladies and gentlemen, your typical Brexiteer. Take a bow s3fella.

Yeah, cos it's loads better when big business tells us how to run the country isn't it.

As opposed to letting Daz and Sharleen on benefits with an IQ of 60 have a say in such important matters? Yes I would say so.

[Dr Jekyll]

[quote=Stickyfinger]A primary role of the government of the day is to provide, by the votes of the elected members of the party in the majority, a Prime Minister. This does not need to be from the Party elected with a majority of MP's.
Also, to provide a stable government during times of great change and uncertainty.

Both are being provided by the elected members of the majority party.[/quote

Parliament existed for a long time before the idea of a Prime Minister caught on. Conservative elected members only started deciding on party leaders in the 1960s I believe, and Labour part leaders are still elected largely by non elected members and unions.

[zarjaz1991]

Sump said:

As opposed to letting Daz and Sharleen on benefits with an IQ of 60 have a say in such important matters? Yes I would say so.

Why don't we simply let big business pick the goivernment as well then?

[powerstroke]

zarjaz1991 said:

Why don't we simply let big business pick the goivernment as well then?

Well if we were masters of the universe like some posters then it might work for us,
we would then have our own private islands and could look down our noses at Daz and.......

[Oilchange]

Sump said:

As opposed to letting Daz and Sharleen on benefits with an IQ of 60 have a say in such important matters? Yes I would say so.

That's democracy fella. Don't like it? >>>> North Korea beckons.

[nikaiyo2]

crankedup said:

Did I purchase a 7" inch single from his sh back in the 1970's, nope. The man has done fantastically well of course, sadly he left his roots far behind. Money can breed contempt it seems.

His roots?

He went to Stowe School, his father was a Judge.


The father of one of my best mates at school went to school with Branson, and reckoned he was self centered tt of the highest order then.

[crankedup]

nikaiyo2 said:

crankedup said:

Did I purchase a 7" inch single from his sh back in the 1970's, nope. The man has done fantastically well of course, sadly he left his roots far behind. Money can breed contempt it seems.

His roots?

He went to Stowe School, his father was a Judge.


The father of one of my best mates at school went to school with Branson, and reckoned he was self centered tt of the highest order then.

But he did start on a market stall before going into his own shop. I can well believe that he would be self centered though, it's said that successful people are very often ruthless and insular regards work.

[Smollet]

nikaiyo2 said:

His roots?

He went to Stowe School, his father was a Judge.


The father of one of my best mates at school went to school with Branson, and reckoned he was self centered tt of the highest order then.

I met his sister once. Well she told that's who she was. Had the most amazing pair of ...........



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