Nuking the Yanks

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anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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JawKnee said:
jsf said:
JawKnee said:
Undecided.

Though if we're going to pay for it, it needs to fking work. It doesn't look like it does.
Do you use any form of engineered product or service that relies on engineered products?
Yes, I engineer software for a major bank. If our code has a major defect in testing, it simply doesn't go to production until that test passes. Scary to think the nukes deployed at the moment are capable of failing so catastrophically.
Does software ever receive a patch to rectify a function issue post release?
Do software companies have support teams in place to rectify issues that arise post release?

I know the answer is of course, yes they do, as I worked as an engineer who used to apply patches and updates to the worlds leading IT platforms.

CaptainSlow

13,179 posts

212 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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Seems ironic that SlackJaw has started many threads but he hasn't hit the target once!

JawKnee

Original Poster:

1,140 posts

97 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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jsf said:
Does software ever receive a patch to rectify a function issue post release?
Do software companies have support teams in place to rectify issues that arise post release?

I know the answer is of course, yes they do, as I worked as an engineer who used to apply patches and updates to the worlds leading IT platforms.
Yes, though you only generally "fix forward" if the defect's severity isn't critical. If it is, then you fall back to a working version. If that defect has been there all along then you've failed in delivering a minimum viable product.

Test Driven Development helps reduce these sort of cock ups.

alfie2244

11,292 posts

188 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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CaptainSlow said:
Seems ironic that SlackJaw has started many threads but he hasn't hit the target once!
I wonder if this bank he works for keeps him locked in the basement?

Evanivitch

20,075 posts

122 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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alfie2244 said:
CaptainSlow said:
Seems ironic that SlackJaw has started many threads but he hasn't hit the target once!
I wonder if this bank he works for keeps him locked in the basement?
But saying he "Engineers software" I reckon he's a project assistant at best.

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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JawKnee said:
jsf said:
Does software ever receive a patch to rectify a function issue post release?
Do software companies have support teams in place to rectify issues that arise post release?

I know the answer is of course, yes they do, as I worked as an engineer who used to apply patches and updates to the worlds leading IT platforms.
Yes, though you only generally "fix forward" if the defect's severity isn't critical. If it is, then you fall back to a working version. If that defect has been there all along then you've failed in delivering a minimum viable product.

Test Driven Development helps reduce these sort of cock ups.
So you acknowledge that engineered products failing to function in service is commonplace and does not mean the product is unable to function for the majority of its lifecycle?

Cold

15,246 posts

90 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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alfie2244 said:
CaptainSlow said:
Seems ironic that SlackJaw has started many threads but he hasn't hit the target once!
I wonder if this bank he works for keeps him locked in the basement?

stitched

3,813 posts

173 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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JawKnee said:
jsf said:
JawKnee said:
Undecided.

Though if we're going to pay for it, it needs to fking work. It doesn't look like it does.
Do you use any form of engineered product or service that relies on engineered products?
Yes, I engineer software for a large bank. If our code has a major defect in testing, it simply doesn't go to production until that test passes. Scary to think the nukes deployed at the moment are capable of failing so catastrophically.
I'd quite like to know which bank so as to avoid it.
This event was not even a test of the missile, it was a crew readiness test.
They passed it so the inference would be that they followed all the guidance protocols and launch protocols to the standard we expect of them.
I doubt they removed a warhead from a currently in use nuclear delivery device for this test, I wouldn't be surprised to find they used a carrier which had failed in testing and been withdrawn.
Non story.
Go to bed.

Dr Doofenshmirtz

15,227 posts

200 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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Tests sometimes go wrong...that's why they're called tests.

Non story hyped by left wing media.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

255 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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Did we tell the Yanks to duck, or did we just hold our breath...? hehe

JawKnee

Original Poster:

1,140 posts

97 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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Dr Doofenshmirtz said:
Tests sometimes go wrong...that's why they're called tests.

Non story hyped by left wing media.
It wasn't the test which went wrong, more the missile. We learnt from it our very expensive nukes can hit the wrong country. More than a non story if you think about it.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

255 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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JawKnee said:
Dr Doofenshmirtz said:
Tests sometimes go wrong...that's why they're called tests.

Non story hyped by left wing media.
It wasn't the test which went wrong, more the missile.
That'll be the missile test, then...

JawKnee said:
We learnt from it our very expensive nukes can hit the wrong country. More than a non story if you think about it.
Don't quite understand what you're getting at. Do you think any other country's missiles are fault free?

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

254 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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Ayahuasca said:
An interesting point for me was that they were able to make it self-destruct.

Is that capability only installed on test missiles? If so, its circuitry is not the same as an armed missile. If it is installed on armed missiles too, it means that a nuclear launch can be overridden, which I always believed was not possible. If it can be self-destructed by a radio signal, how hard would it be for an enemy power to so do?
It'll be on all of them. Its not that hard to make a missile explode.. And its always good to have an abort.

Every western rocket has this feature. Russian rockets (at least the space program ones) dont.

citizensm1th

8,371 posts

137 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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the only thing that went wrong in this test was that some tt in the RN gave away the fact we have the targeting coordinates for america

don4l

10,058 posts

176 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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JawKnee said:
Yes, I engineer software for a large bank. If our code has a major defect in testing, it simply doesn't go to production until that test passes. Scary to think the nukes deployed at the moment are capable of failing so catastrophically.
I'm guessing that you work for Lloyds/NatWest.

Their software seems to have been written by incompenents.

ThunderGuts

12,230 posts

194 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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JawKnee said:
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What an collosal waste of money....
Your argument suggests that your own software faults make you the same waste hehe

Halb

53,012 posts

183 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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JawKnee said:
Undecided.

Though if we're going to pay for it, it needs to fking work. It doesn't look like it does.
From a quick search, seems there has been 137 successful test flights up to 2012. This test failure was the first test for four years.
I wonder how many tests overall, and how many performed by the UK subs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trident_nuclear_prog...

HaplessBoyLard

1,548 posts

188 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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JawKnee said:
It wasn't the test which went wrong, more the missile. We learnt from it our very expensive nukes can hit the wrong country. More than a non story if you think about it.
Stop. You're embarrassing yourself.



jmorgan

36,010 posts

284 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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JawKnee said:
Undecided.

Though if we're going to pay for it, it needs to fking work. It doesn't look like it does.
Yeah but no but yeah but.....

This leads back to the questions you cannot answer

Though from your tone I think your are against, but now I know what you are against, it is the tories? They are paying for this and Corbyn warnts to ditch it. Or do I need another cake hat?

Anyhow, banking software. OK.

V88Dicky

7,305 posts

183 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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RobDickinson said:
Ayahuasca said:
An interesting point for me was that they were able to make it self-destruct.

Is that capability only installed on test missiles? If so, its circuitry is not the same as an armed missile. If it is installed on armed missiles too, it means that a nuclear launch can be overridden, which I always believed was not possible. If it can be self-destructed by a radio signal, how hard would it be for an enemy power to so do?
It'll be on all of them. Its not that hard to make a missile explode.. And its always good to have an abort.

Every western rocket has this feature. Russian rockets (at least the space program ones) dont.
I'm sorry, but you're wrong. There's no ability to 'abort' once the WEO pulls the trigger, certainly not on a live Trident anyway.