Nuking the Yanks

[alfie2244]

Murph7355 said:

JawKnee said:

It's not. The last time they tested it, it flew in the wrong direction.

Only if it wasn't pointed at your parents' house where you still live.

FTFY

[HD Adam]

JawKnee said:

DaveCWK said:

Agree with this. Trident is shockingly reliable IMO.

It's not. The last time they tested it, it flew in the wrong direction.

So what was the test criteria?

Had they uploaded a new version of Google Maps?

Stress test on the crew? What?

I test things all the time and sometimes deliberately test them "wrong" to see what happens.

You could say that the piece failed becaause it didn't perform to spec.

Or, you could say that the test was succesful because you learned something.

Unless you know the test paramaters, you cannot say for sure if the Trident test was a bad one.

[ThunderGuts]

Can we all just agree that Jawknee doesn't quite get this whole thing, and move on?

[T66ORA]

Another ex "Bomber Queen" here. I wont go into to much detail,but in my experience this is the first malfunction I've heard of on a DASO.
All SSBNs test fire missiles after a refit, which HMS Vengeance had recently completed, and I believe had the latest updates to the Tridents.
Both of her crews would have participated off Cape Canaveral. The missile has a range of over 5000 mile and would have had plenty of time to recompute.
Mountains out of mole hills springs to mind. Nothing to worry about, honestly

[Yipper]

JawKnee said:

DaveCWK said:

Agree with this. Trident is shockingly reliable IMO.

It's not. The last time they tested it, it flew in the wrong direction.

Trident is the world's most complex missile system ever developed in the history of mankind and has one of the best test records in the business.

It looks like the recent mislaunch was a minor software or hardware fault that caused a major auto-self-destruction and it fizzled out harmlessly in the sea off central-east Florida.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/paul-ingram/triden...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trident_(missile)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/trid...

[Johnnytheboy]

Given that this is JawKnee, I assume his subtext is that this misfire is somehow all the Tory Party's fault.

Incidentally, we're all missing you over in the Corbyn thread, and hope you can make it back over in time for the Stoke and Copeland by-elections.

[don4l]

V88Dicky said:

don4l said:

I'm sorry, but I don't believe you.

Anyone who knows about the "abort" procedure will have signed the official Secrets Act. Therefore they would not come onto a public forum and discuss the issue.

I am going to suggest that you are full of ste.

No need for that Don.

I served 23 years in the RN as a Weapons Engineer, six of which were onboard an SSBN maintaining our deterrent.

But hey, what do I know, right?

Have you signed the Official Secrets Act?

[Cold]

don4l said:

V88Dicky said:

don4l said:

I'm sorry, but I don't believe you.

Anyone who knows about the "abort" procedure will have signed the official Secrets Act. Therefore they would not come onto a public forum and discuss the issue.

I am going to suggest that you are full of ste.

No need for that Don.

I served 23 years in the RN as a Weapons Engineer, six of which were onboard an SSBN maintaining our deterrent.

But hey, what do I know, right?

Have you signed the Official Secrets Act?

Which answer would satisfy you? "No", so you can proclaim "Ahaa!", "Yes", so you can proclaim "Ahaa!", or "No comment", so you can proclaim "Ahaa!"?
When did you stop beating your wife?

[ninja-lewis]

Cold said:

don4l said:

V88Dicky said:

don4l said:

I'm sorry, but I don't believe you.

Anyone who knows about the "abort" procedure will have signed the official Secrets Act. Therefore they would not come onto a public forum and discuss the issue.

I am going to suggest that you are full of ste.

No need for that Don.

I served 23 years in the RN as a Weapons Engineer, six of which were onboard an SSBN maintaining our deterrent.

But hey, what do I know, right?

Have you signed the Official Secrets Act?

Which answer would satisfy you? "No", so you can proclaim "Ahaa!", "Yes", so you can proclaim "Ahaa!", or "No comment", so you can proclaim "Ahaa!"?
When did you stop beating your wife?

Plus the small matter of "signing" the Official Secrets Act being legally meaningless. It applies to everyone automatically.

[hairykrishna]

don4l said:

Have you signed the Official Secrets Act?

Nobody has to 'sign the official secrets act' in order to be party to classified information or to be bound by the act. Sometimes people sign something designed to remind them that what they are about to view, or have viewed, is classified.

Given the likely situation if one has to be launched it seems fairly logical to me that live nuclear ICBMs won't have a remote abort.

[V88Dicky]

hairykrishna said:

don4l said:

Have you signed the Official Secrets Act?

Nobody has to 'sign the official secrets act' in order to be party to classified information or to be bound by the act. Sometimes people sign something designed to remind them that what they are about to view, or have viewed, is classified.

Given the likely situation if one has to be launched it seems fairly logical to me that live nuclear ICBMs won't have a remote abort.

In answer to your question Don, no I haven't. And I've never served with any one who has carried out this mythical act.

I have however been DV vetted a few times if that's what you're getting at.

Besides, nothing that's been mentioned on this thread so far can't be found in the public domain.

[Elroy Blue]

'Missile fired, false telemetry reading leads to operator destroying missile' doesn't have quite the same ring as 'WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE'

[hidetheelephants]

The live firing test of a Trident missile was recognised by the Range Safety wallah as being out of spec, so he pressed the Big Red Safety Button. Call me when something interesting happens. The only other fact of note is that the 'lie', such as it is, was perpetrated by Cameron.

[iphonedyou]

Cold said:

Which answer would satisfy you? "No", so you can proclaim "Ahaa!", "Yes", so you can proclaim "Ahaa!", or "No comment", so you can proclaim "Ahaa!"?
When did you stop beating your wife?

Brilliant.

[98elise]

don4l said:

V88Dicky said:

don4l said:

I'm sorry, but I don't believe you.

Anyone who knows about the "abort" procedure will have signed the official Secrets Act. Therefore they would not come onto a public forum and discuss the issue.

I am going to suggest that you are full of ste.

No need for that Don.

I served 23 years in the RN as a Weapons Engineer, six of which were onboard an SSBN maintaining our deterrent.

But hey, what do I know, right?

Have you signed the Official Secrets Act?

Nobody signs the Official Secrets Act.

[Garvin]

98elise said:

Nobody signs the Official Secrets Act.

When I embarked on a career in the defence industry, many moons ago now, I had to sign a declaration that I had read, understood and agreed to be bound by the Offical Secrets Act.

[98elise]

Garvin said:

98elise said:

Nobody signs the Official Secrets Act.

When I embarked on a career in the defence industry, many moons ago now, I had to sign a declaration that I had read, understood and agreed to be bound by the Offical Secrets Act.

Agreed and that's fairly standard, but its a myth that people sign the official secrets act. Everyone is bound buy it, and a few people are reminded of that fact when the start working in sensitive area's.

Its no different to your employer asking you to sign a declaration that you will abide by the road traffic act while driving company vehicles.

[98elise]

V88Dicky said:

hairykrishna said:

don4l said:

Have you signed the Official Secrets Act?

Nobody has to 'sign the official secrets act' in order to be party to classified information or to be bound by the act. Sometimes people sign something designed to remind them that what they are about to view, or have viewed, is classified.

Given the likely situation if one has to be launched it seems fairly logical to me that live nuclear ICBMs won't have a remote abort.

In answer to your question Don, no I haven't. And I've never served with any one who has carried out this mythical act.

I have however been DV vetted a few times if that's what you're getting at.

Besides, nothing that's been mentioned on this thread so far can't be found in the public domain.

Even if its in the public domain you shouldn't confirm (or deny) stuff that would be considered classified in the forces.

[Countdown]

98elise said:

don4l said:

V88Dicky said:

don4l said:

I'm sorry, but I don't believe you.

Anyone who knows about the "abort" procedure will have signed the official Secrets Act. Therefore they would not come onto a public forum and discuss the issue.

I am going to suggest that you are full of ste.

No need for that Don.

I served 23 years in the RN as a Weapons Engineer, six of which were onboard an SSBN maintaining our deterrent.

But hey, what do I know, right?

Have you signed the Official Secrets Act?

Nobody signs the Official Secrets Act.

First rule of signing the "Official Secrets Act"- Pretend you didn't sign the "Official Secrets Act".

I was required to sign the Unofficial Secrets Act....

[anonymous-user]

Love this thread.

Misinformed (at best) frothers getting all pissy-knickered, and not accepting the actual facts from people who may actually know quite a lot about that which they speak...