London is officially 'filthy'

[numtumfutunch]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-387164...

Interesting and Im glad my current diesel motor is leased.
The end of the smoker is nigh - surely?

(If not the end of the private car itself in some cities with recent events in Paris etc)

[Blib]

I noticed roadside signs were suggesting that stationary vehicles should switch off their engines over the weekend. This high pressure has brought almost still conditions for days now.

[FourWheelDrift]

boxxob said:

Similar to Paris!

London is the 7th biggest French city by population. So we can blame the French for this.

[battered]

Nothing new. The place has always been filthy.

[Willy Nilly]

FourWheelDrift said:

boxxob said:

Similar to Paris!

London is the 7th biggest French city by population. So we can blame the French for this.

Even if no Frenchman ever set foot in London, it would still be prudent to blame the French, it's bound to be their diesel fog anyway blowing over here, polluting our air

[Mr GrimNasty]

The main source of the problem is not private diesel cars in London, it is near-continent industrial pollution.

That won't stop the usual muppets trying to ban/blame cars.

If you want to talk about local pollution topping it up you'd have to look at banning fashionable wood stoves, gas central heating boilers, haulage and industry in London before banning private diesel cars.

[bitchstewie]

Is this noticeable to the average Joe or is it in specific areas and/or a little bit of a political statement?

[anonymous-user]

According to TFL:

.....80 per cent of London’s freight is currently delivered by road. Light commercial traffic makes up 13 per cent of all London’s road traffic, compared with 4 per cent for HGVs and 1.7 per cent for buses.1 During the morning peak, this equates to around 7,300 vans per hour. TfL is expecting light commercial vehicle traffic to continue to increase as London’s population grows: data provided by TfL suggests light commercial traffic will increase by 22% between 2011 and 2031, while HGV traffic will remain static. This increase reflects general economic growth and factors such as the growth of internet shopping, and could place a significant strain on an already congested road system'.

Making people stop using diesel cars isn't going to make that much difference, given the difference in fuel consumption of CVs.

Mind you I've thought for years that London was filthy. The crap that builds up on all the buildings is a bit of a clue.

[mickk]

battered said:

Nothing new. The place has always been filthy.

No different to any other British city.

[Willy Nilly]

Mr GrimNasty said:

The main source of the problem is not private diesel cars in London, it is near-continent industrial pollution.

That won't stop the usual muppets trying to ban/blame cars.

If you want to talk about local pollution topping it up you'd have to look at banning fashionable wood stoves, gas central heating boilers, haulage and industry in London before banning private diesel cars.

I went for a run at rush hour last Friday evening. When I was most of the way back there was a noticeable taste of diesel fumes in my throat. Obviously this is anecdotal, but to say that diesel engines aren't a significant contributor to the pollution must be a long way off the mark and I cannot see what gas central heating has to do with the obvious diesel fumes in the local air.

[battered]

mickk said:

battered said:

Nothing new. The place has always been filthy.

No different to any other British city.

I dunno. Having spent time in St David's, Elgin and Lichfield as well as London, I know which ones are cleaner.

[vonuber]

bhstewie said:

Is this noticeable to the average Joe or is it in specific areas and/or a little bit of a political statement?

Very noticeable. You can almost taste the air at times.

[Tryke3]

Willy Nilly said:

Mr GrimNasty said:

The main source of the problem is not private diesel cars in London, it is near-continent industrial pollution.

That won't stop the usual muppets trying to ban/blame cars.

If you want to talk about local pollution topping it up you'd have to look at banning fashionable wood stoves, gas central heating boilers, haulage and industry in London before banning private diesel cars.

I went for a run at rush hour last Friday evening. When I was most of the way back there was a noticeable taste of diesel fumes in my throat. Obviously this is anecdotal, but to say that diesel engines aren't a significant contributor to the pollution must be a long way off the mark and I cannot see what gas central heating has to do with the obvious diesel fumes in the local air.

Cant edumcate bacon

[Jasandjules]

vonuber said:

Very noticeable. You can almost taste the air at times.

Just after a dozen buses have rumbled past half empty..

[bitchstewie]

vonuber said:

bhstewie said:

Is this noticeable to the average Joe or is it in specific areas and/or a little bit of a political statement?

Very noticeable. You can almost taste the air at times.

Thanks, I don't go down there very often but had no idea it was that bad.

[Willy Nilly]

Tryke3 said:

Willy Nilly said:

Mr GrimNasty said:

The main source of the problem is not private diesel cars in London, it is near-continent industrial pollution.

That won't stop the usual muppets trying to ban/blame cars.

If you want to talk about local pollution topping it up you'd have to look at banning fashionable wood stoves, gas central heating boilers, haulage and industry in London before banning private diesel cars.

I went for a run at rush hour last Friday evening. When I was most of the way back there was a noticeable taste of diesel fumes in my throat. Obviously this is anecdotal, but to say that diesel engines aren't a significant contributor to the pollution must be a long way off the mark and I cannot see what gas central heating has to do with the obvious diesel fumes in the local air.

Cant edumcate bacon

60% or so of the car fleet is diesel and I'll wager that a higher percentage of the miles driven in cars are driven in diesels, all commercial vehicles are diesel, yes, it's gas central heating and the 4 wood burning stoves in the area. Defo.

[vonuber]

Jasandjules said:

Just after a dozen buses have rumbled past half empty..

Not in my experience, most are usually well utilised. Plus saying people should drive instead is a non starter, you'd make pollution worse.

The answer is increased public transport along the tube/tram/light rail example, along with electric buses. I sold my car years ago as it was just pointless to have, a motorbike is much more useful.

When I take my daughter to nursery in the morning traffic is so bad and backed up (mainly private cars trying to get to the vauxhall/Albert embankment area) that it is another reason for us to move. It's not good for her health, or mine either.

[JawKnee]

I walk a mile to the tube station each morning. The fumes from the rush hour traffic are suffocating. Usually a bit better in the evenings for some strange reason but you still taste it in your mouth.

Electric vehicles cant come soon enough.

[mickk]

battered said:

mickk said:

battered said:

Nothing new. The place has always been filthy.

No different to any other British city.

I dunno. Having spent time in St David's, Elgin and Lichfield as well as London, I know which ones are cleaner.

Perhaps I should have said large city.

[dromong]

vonuber said:

The answer is increased public transport along the tube/tram/light rail example, along with electric buses.

The answer is less humans!. I say don't import any more, not a single one, and have a mass cull of the resident population, problem solved, just have to then deal with the "pollution" of many rotting carcasses, still preferable to the vile cancerous stench of diseasel.