London is officially 'filthy'
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-387164...
Interesting and Im glad my current diesel motor is leased.
The end of the smoker is nigh - surely?
(If not the end of the private car itself in some cities with recent events in Paris etc)
Interesting and Im glad my current diesel motor is leased.
The end of the smoker is nigh - surely?
(If not the end of the private car itself in some cities with recent events in Paris etc)
FourWheelDrift said:
boxxob said:
Similar to Paris!
London is the 7th biggest French city by population. So we can blame the French for this.The main source of the problem is not private diesel cars in London, it is near-continent industrial pollution.
That won't stop the usual muppets trying to ban/blame cars.
If you want to talk about local pollution topping it up you'd have to look at banning fashionable wood stoves, gas central heating boilers, haulage and industry in London before banning private diesel cars.
That won't stop the usual muppets trying to ban/blame cars.
If you want to talk about local pollution topping it up you'd have to look at banning fashionable wood stoves, gas central heating boilers, haulage and industry in London before banning private diesel cars.
According to TFL:
.....80 per cent of London’s freight is currently delivered by road. Light commercial traffic makes up 13 per cent of all London’s road traffic, compared with 4 per cent for HGVs and 1.7 per cent for buses.1 During the morning peak, this equates to around 7,300 vans per hour. TfL is expecting light commercial vehicle traffic to continue to increase as London’s population grows: data provided by TfL suggests light commercial traffic will increase by 22% between 2011 and 2031, while HGV traffic will remain static. This increase reflects general economic growth and factors such as the growth of internet shopping, and could place a significant strain on an already congested road system'.
Making people stop using diesel cars isn't going to make that much difference, given the difference in fuel consumption of CVs.
Mind you I've thought for years that London was filthy. The crap that builds up on all the buildings is a bit of a clue.
.....80 per cent of London’s freight is currently delivered by road. Light commercial traffic makes up 13 per cent of all London’s road traffic, compared with 4 per cent for HGVs and 1.7 per cent for buses.1 During the morning peak, this equates to around 7,300 vans per hour. TfL is expecting light commercial vehicle traffic to continue to increase as London’s population grows: data provided by TfL suggests light commercial traffic will increase by 22% between 2011 and 2031, while HGV traffic will remain static. This increase reflects general economic growth and factors such as the growth of internet shopping, and could place a significant strain on an already congested road system'.
Making people stop using diesel cars isn't going to make that much difference, given the difference in fuel consumption of CVs.
Mind you I've thought for years that London was filthy. The crap that builds up on all the buildings is a bit of a clue.
Mr GrimNasty said:
The main source of the problem is not private diesel cars in London, it is near-continent industrial pollution.
That won't stop the usual muppets trying to ban/blame cars.
If you want to talk about local pollution topping it up you'd have to look at banning fashionable wood stoves, gas central heating boilers, haulage and industry in London before banning private diesel cars.
I went for a run at rush hour last Friday evening. When I was most of the way back there was a noticeable taste of diesel fumes in my throat. Obviously this is anecdotal, but to say that diesel engines aren't a significant contributor to the pollution must be a long way off the mark and I cannot see what gas central heating has to do with the obvious diesel fumes in the local air. That won't stop the usual muppets trying to ban/blame cars.
If you want to talk about local pollution topping it up you'd have to look at banning fashionable wood stoves, gas central heating boilers, haulage and industry in London before banning private diesel cars.
Willy Nilly said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
The main source of the problem is not private diesel cars in London, it is near-continent industrial pollution.
That won't stop the usual muppets trying to ban/blame cars.
If you want to talk about local pollution topping it up you'd have to look at banning fashionable wood stoves, gas central heating boilers, haulage and industry in London before banning private diesel cars.
I went for a run at rush hour last Friday evening. When I was most of the way back there was a noticeable taste of diesel fumes in my throat. Obviously this is anecdotal, but to say that diesel engines aren't a significant contributor to the pollution must be a long way off the mark and I cannot see what gas central heating has to do with the obvious diesel fumes in the local air. That won't stop the usual muppets trying to ban/blame cars.
If you want to talk about local pollution topping it up you'd have to look at banning fashionable wood stoves, gas central heating boilers, haulage and industry in London before banning private diesel cars.
Tryke3 said:
Willy Nilly said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
The main source of the problem is not private diesel cars in London, it is near-continent industrial pollution.
That won't stop the usual muppets trying to ban/blame cars.
If you want to talk about local pollution topping it up you'd have to look at banning fashionable wood stoves, gas central heating boilers, haulage and industry in London before banning private diesel cars.
I went for a run at rush hour last Friday evening. When I was most of the way back there was a noticeable taste of diesel fumes in my throat. Obviously this is anecdotal, but to say that diesel engines aren't a significant contributor to the pollution must be a long way off the mark and I cannot see what gas central heating has to do with the obvious diesel fumes in the local air. That won't stop the usual muppets trying to ban/blame cars.
If you want to talk about local pollution topping it up you'd have to look at banning fashionable wood stoves, gas central heating boilers, haulage and industry in London before banning private diesel cars.
Jasandjules said:
Just after a dozen buses have rumbled past half empty..
Not in my experience, most are usually well utilised. Plus saying people should drive instead is a non starter, you'd make pollution worse.The answer is increased public transport along the tube/tram/light rail example, along with electric buses. I sold my car years ago as it was just pointless to have, a motorbike is much more useful.
When I take my daughter to nursery in the morning traffic is so bad and backed up (mainly private cars trying to get to the vauxhall/Albert embankment area) that it is another reason for us to move. It's not good for her health, or mine either.
vonuber said:
The answer is increased public transport along the tube/tram/light rail example, along with electric buses.
The answer is less humans!. I say don't import any more, not a single one, and have a mass cull of the resident population, problem solved, just have to then deal with the "pollution" of many rotting carcasses, still preferable to the vile cancerous stench of diseasel.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff