Article 50 ruling due now

[Burwood]

Not country specific. Latest polls which include the UK. 49% leave, 51% stay. It is clear the EU have a big problem given we all know that result will be skewed by the countries getting positive cash and freedom of movement.

[Northern Munkee]

Burwood said:

SKP555 said:

MrBrightSi said:

Thorodin said:

Considering the tone of the UK letter of intent, the reply shows the breadth and depth of the hostile animosity to any who dare to invoke their basic rights of self-determination. If that cobblers is indicative of their true feeling it falls rather short of encouraging the remaining 27 to stay in. We should just call the bluff and walk away until they get real or the pressures of time persuade them to focus on a more achievable outcome. Better still, just send them a link to Andrew Neill's piece last Friday.

I don't understand where all this animosity comes from.

We are a huge domestic market, we buy a large share of European goods from cars to electronics. I cannot see how business self-interest would allow such a spiteful response to happen.

For all that some people scoff at democratic control this is a shining example of how politicians behave when there isn't any.

Hits nail on head. They made a huge mistake not at least negotiating with Cameron and they will rinse and repeat. When France goes and it will, they are fked. Get your popcorn guys!

Just watching channel 4 News and one European MEP in the Parliament seemed spiteful "we shall see" when the topic mutual agreement on citizens and it makes me wonder if all these people (Britons and EU citizens from the EU) demanding EU citizens rights be respected in the U.K. unilaterally know something many of us don't that perhaps the Europeans are not as accommodating or as open and playing fair like what we are.

I think we could crash out very quickly.

[Burwood]

Makes good news for re moaners for sure but the reality is when VAG bring pressure down on Merkel with the millions they employ...

It's hilarious listening to a few pissant MEPs talking as if their opinions even matter. It's beyond their pay grade

[Vitorio]

Burwood said:

Netherlands, Spain, italy

It is a small minority in the Netherlands, basically only Geert Wilders with his idiotic xenophobia driven party goes on about it.

[Burwood]

Vitorio said:

Burwood said:

Netherlands, Spain, italy

It is a small minority in the Netherlands, basically only Geert Wilders with his idiotic xenophobia driven party goes on about it.

Maybe so. Facts are 49/51 is the poll on all EU stay/leave. Reform or die

[mybrainhurts]

Vitorio said:

Burwood said:

Netherlands, Spain, italy

It is a small minority in the Netherlands, basically only Geert Wilders with his idiotic xenophobia driven party goes on about it.

Many thought that about the UK.

[RobDickinson]

Vitorio said:

Burwood said:

Netherlands, Spain, italy

It is a small minority in the Netherlands, basically only Geert Wilders with his idiotic xenophobia driven party goes on about it.

How do you know that without a referendum ..?

[B'stard Child]

RobDickinson said:

Vitorio said:

Burwood said:

Netherlands, Spain, italy

It is a small minority in the Netherlands, basically only Geert Wilders with his idiotic xenophobia driven party goes on about it.

How do you know that without a referendum ..?

Because he's been reading all the Polling Data and that's what it said.......

[davepoth]

Vitorio said:

It is a small minority in the Netherlands, basically only Geert Wilders with his idiotic xenophobia driven party goes on about it.

Rutte had to move a long way to the right to get the vote share he did, and he still lost seats to Wilders. There's a lot of unhappiness around.

[MrBrightSi]

mybrainhurts said:

Vitorio said:

Burwood said:

Netherlands, Spain, italy

It is a small minority in the Netherlands, basically only Geert Wilders with his idiotic xenophobia driven party goes on about it.

Many thought that about the UK.

I'm guessing it's exactly what happened in the UK. People with legitimate concerns were going to vote to leave. Having seen the st show surrounding it, decided to vote and keep it to themselves, no answering polls truthfully or openly broadcasting it to people either.

It's made things quite interesting, beat the electorate with the stick of faux-racism, call up any word you can in your arsenal that derails even the most concise and calm argument and BANG you have a group of people fed up and willing to go the opposite way as long as the "racism" "Xenophobia" "less educated" prattle stops.

[Jazzy Jag]

skahigh said:

I doubt France will leave the EU. The only way that seems possible is if Le Pen wins the presidential election and that seems pretty unlikely based on the polling.

What did the polls say about the UK referendum?

[skahigh]

Jazzy Jag said:

What did the polls say about the UK referendum?

I'm not saying it won't happen, just that it seems unlikely.

The polling data is a bit different from Brexit, the polls suggest Le Pen would lose the run off by a large margin.



On the whole, the pre-referendum polls showed it to be a close run thing, the FT data having it 48/46 to remain on the day of the referendum.

It's certainly possible that there are a lot of people who wouldn't admit to voting for Le Pen given her party's far right public image.

[AC43]

SystemParanoia said:

Im guessing you didnt get the memo..

Earth is hollow.. not flat...


Unless its both ?!

LOL

[alfie2244]

Tarzan, our very own lord and master is on Newsnight.....jeez what an old dinosaur............still thinks the Cons party can change it's mind.

Now Rees - Mogg putting him straight

[KrissKross]

Zod said:

I've spent the day in Brussels in the Commission at a workshop on the forthcoming prospectus regulation (exciting, eh? It is important to me).

Ah so you are paid in some way to be part of the club, no wonder you are so pro EU.

[Rich_W]

Northern Munkee said:

Just watching channel 4 News and one European MEP in the Parliament seemed spiteful "we shall see" when the topic mutual agreement on citizens and it makes me wonder if all these people (Britons and EU citizens from the EU) demanding EU citizens rights be respected in the U.K. unilaterally know something many of us don't that perhaps the Europeans are not as accommodating or as open and playing fair like what we are.

I think we could crash out very quickly.

I saw that too.

This is why May didn't give the unilateral agreement. She and her people KNOW that it wouldn't be reciprocated. Which is ironic given we have various celeb-s saying "we should do it" and "we shouldn't use people as bargaining chips" yet apparently the EU are given carte blanche to do just that!

skahigh said:

Jazzy Jag said:

What did the polls say about the UK referendum?

I'm not saying it won't happen, just that it seems unlikely.

The polling data is a bit different from Brexit, the polls suggest Le Pen would lose the run off by a large margin.



On the whole, the pre-referendum polls showed it to be a close run thing, the FT data having it 48/46 to remain on the day of the referendum.

It's certainly possible that there are a lot of people who wouldn't admit to voting for Le Pen given her party's far right public image.

I'm not 100% on French Politics but isn't Macron about to be indicted for something (His wife getting money for a job she didn't do IIRC?) so may not run. And even if he does the scandal has gone down very badly in France, so hes not exactly running away with it.

alfie2244 said:

Tarzan, our very own lord and master is on Newsnight.....jeez what an old dinosaur............still thinks the Cons party can change it's mind.

Now Rees - Mogg putting him straight

I heard Heseltine on LBC briefly. So obviously devastated that his own self interests were being cast aside for something else.

He sounded utterly suicidal. Don't let me stop you old chap

Talking of LBC, listened to the drive show this evening.

Jesus fking Christ. The Remainers! I get you wanted the other result. But to KEEP calling anyone who voted Leave derogatory terms. To keep talking the whole country down. To actually have NO Facts WHATSOEVER that it's going to be a disaster. But it "just is" To forget that Switzerland and Norway and bloody Canada are able to trade with the EU without being members, and believe that a deal is IMPOSSIBLE, never going to happen and the EU will sink us first. Is utterly cretinous.

As a Leaver. I know its not going to be easy. And there may be hiccups, but long term it'll be better.

KrissKross said:

Zod said:

I've spent the day in Brussels in the Commission at a workshop on the forthcoming prospectus regulation (exciting, eh? It is important to me).

Ah so you are paid in some way to be part of the club, no wonder you are so pro EU.

I don't mind people being pro EU, that's their right. I don't see Zods comments as anything other than a "we need Brit common sense" from people a step down from the top in the EU.

That's a good thing IMO. We don't hate the major countries of the EU and we want to do business and be good neighbours. It's the Brussels ste that drove many to vote Leave.

Tusk looked gutted which was a good thing. He'll be remembered as the president that it all started to crumble on his watch. Worth pointing out that even the Poles don't like him!

Edited by Rich_W on Thursday 30th March 00:01

[Murph7355]

deadslow said:

do you people always need to be so unpleasant?

"greedy tories crashing the banking system"...

I'm not always so unpleasant (wasn't aware I was being especially - I'm sure you've been called worse. I'm sure we all have). I can't speak for the "other people".

Presumably you don't have answers to the questions I asked?

[Northern Munkee]

Rich_W said:

Northern Munkee said:

Just watching channel 4 News and one European MEP in the Parliament seemed spiteful "we shall see" when the topic mutual agreement on citizens and it makes me wonder if all these people (Britons and EU citizens from the EU) demanding EU citizens rights be respected in the U.K. unilaterally know something many of us don't that perhaps the Europeans are not as accommodating or as open and playing fair like what we are.

I think we could crash out very quickly.

I saw that too.

This is why May didn't give the unilateral agreement. She and her people KNOW that it wouldn't be reciprocated. Which is ironic given we have various celeb-s saying "we should do it" and "we shouldn't use people as bargaining chips" yet apparently the EU are given carte blanche to do just that!

skahigh said:

Jazzy Jag said:

What did the polls say about the UK referendum?

I'm not saying it won't happen, just that it seems unlikely.

The polling data is a bit different from Brexit, the polls suggest Le Pen would lose the run off by a large margin.



On the whole, the pre-referendum polls showed it to be a close run thing, the FT data having it 48/46 to remain on the day of the referendum.

It's certainly possible that there are a lot of people who wouldn't admit to voting for Le Pen given her party's far right public image.

I'm not 100% on French Politics but isn't Macron about to be indicted for something (His wife getting money for a job she didn't do IIRC?) so may not run. And even if he does the scandal has gone down very badly in France, so hes not exactly running away with it.

alfie2244 said:

Tarzan, our very own lord and master is on Newsnight.....jeez what an old dinosaur............still thinks the Cons party can change it's mind.

Now Rees - Mogg putting him straight

I heard Heseltine on LBC briefly. So obviously devastated that his own self interests were being cast aside for something else.

He sounded utterly suicidal. Don't let me stop you old chap

Talking of LBC, listened to the drive show this evening.

Jesus fking Christ. The Remainers! I get you wanted the other result. But to KEEP calling anyone who voted Leave derogatory terms. To keep talking the whole country down. To actually have NO Facts WHATSOEVER that it's going to be a disaster. But it "just is" To forget that Switzerland and Norway and bloody Canada are able to trade with the EU without being members, and believe that a deal is IMPOSSIBLE, never going to happen and the EU will sink us first. Is utterly cretinous.

As a Leaver. I know its not going to be easy. And there may be hiccups, but long term it'll be better.

KrissKross said:

Zod said:

I've spent the day in Brussels in the Commission at a workshop on the forthcoming prospectus regulation (exciting, eh? It is important to me).

Ah so you are paid in some way to be part of the club, no wonder you are so pro EU.

I don't mind people being pro EU, that's their right. I don't see Zods comments as anything other than a "we need Brit common sense" from people a step down from the top in the EU.

That's a good thing IMO. We don't hate the major countries of the EU and we want to do business and be good neighbours. It's the Brussels ste that drove many to vote Leave.

Tusk looked gutted which was a good thing. He'll be remembered as the president that it all started to crumble on his watch. Worth pointing out that even the Poles don't like him!

Edited by Rich_W on Thursday 30th March 00:01

It's not Macron, it's Fillon and his wife looking at indictments although it wouldn't surprise me if something comes up about Macron, he's not really been scrutinised, yet...

Le Pen will certainly have a shy voter, in much the same way as shy Torres or shy Leavers, the question might be better asked is have the pollsters factored in a weighting for a shy element, and whether or not theyve weighted it in in the right amount.

As to Remainers. Hesletine has been on Newsnight in full flood of tears. Just the same on ch4 news earlier from Hull loudest gobby labour councillor screaming £350m for the NHS and assembled libtards representing "the people" as soon as presenter steered the debate to Immigration out popped the racist card.

As to Tusk, presumably he's taken the blame over there as "the man who lost the UK" in the same way Cameron will forever be known in history as the man who "lost the EU", and May will be forever known as "she lost the Scotland/The Union". Lazy labelling. I'm looking forward to Corbyn inheritng the label of "the man who destroyed Labour" from Tony Blair and Gordon Brown.

Edited by Northern Munkee on Thursday 30th March 01:23

[Yipper]

The anti-EU uprising across Europe is fizzling out.

For now, the tidal wave of anti-Brexit propaganda has slammed the brakes on Europe's far-right and and anti-EU parties.

Britain won...
Austria lost...
Netherlands lost...
France will lose...
Germany will lose...

Like it or not, the pro-EU parties are winning ~80% of elections and referendums at the moment.

[PRTVR]

Yipper said:

The anti-EU uprising across Europe is fizzling out.

For now, the tidal wave of anti-Brexit propaganda has slammed the brakes on Europe's far-right and and anti-EU parties.

Britain won...
Austria lost...
Netherlands lost...
France will lose...
Germany will lose...

Like it or not, the pro-EU parties are winning ~80% of elections and referendums at the moment.

The big point is at the moment, the anti EU parties are gaining ground, maybe not this year but the shambles that is the EU will driver​ more and more people into its arms, time will be the biggest killer of the EU, especially when one of the major financial contributers will be leaving.