Article 50 ruling due now

[turbobloke]

Funkycoldribena said:

turbobloke said:

But just you wait, Bliar will get people to rise up

Blair,Major,Farron and Clegg. They could form something with the name,say,Gang of Four?

A rock group maybe - Tiny Bliar and the Muppets.

[Matthen]

Leroy902 said:

I can't help but think this will end badly for the UK. I hope I'm wrong but these negotiations will not be favourable at all for the UK.

Depends if Merkel can restrain Jean Claude Juncker. He will do everything in his power to "punish" us for daring to leave his fold; I think Merkel will be more reasonable - she sees that "punishing" us will achieve very little, however unhappy she is that we're abandoning the project.

[London424]

Matthen said:

Leroy902 said:

I can't help but think this will end badly for the UK. I hope I'm wrong but these negotiations will not be favourable at all for the UK.

Depends if Merkel can restrain Jean Claude Juncker. He will do everything in his power to "punish" us for daring to leave his fold; I think Merkel will be more reasonable - she sees that "punishing" us will achieve very little, however unhappy she is that we're abandoning the project.

If she's not careful she won't be around for much of the negotiations. The elections coming up are going to be very interesting.

[wc98]

Leroy902 said:

The fire is slowly beginning to burn out for the blood thirty individuals here in the UK hoping for some sort of 'euro spring' that they thought they caused when brexit came out on top.
Realisation is slowly setting in that it wasn't enough, right wingers that looked like they may take over EU countries are slowly disappearing.

i think the french elections will be the bell weather for where the eu is headed. the dutch and austrian elections were sideshows in comparison .
personally i was glad to see the dutch reject wilders although they had the same result as they always have ,a mish mash of views governing the country that leads to exceedingly bland politics that doesn't achieve much. given their apparent standard of living, that is obviously not such a bad thing in their specific case.

[Pan Pan Pan]

wc98 said:

Leroy902 said:

The fire is slowly beginning to burn out for the blood thirty individuals here in the UK hoping for some sort of 'euro spring' that they thought they caused when brexit came out on top.
Realisation is slowly setting in that it wasn't enough, right wingers that looked like they may take over EU countries are slowly disappearing.

i think the french elections will be the bell weather for where the eu is headed. the dutch and austrian elections were sideshows in comparison .
personally i was glad to see the dutch reject wilders although they had the same result as they always have ,a mish mash of views governing the country that leads to exceedingly bland politics that doesn't achieve much. given their apparent standard of living, that is obviously not such a bad thing in their specific case.

Even if Wilders had won the Dutch election with a big margin, he still would not have been able to form a government, not least because all the other parties stated they would not work with him. For many he was a bit too far to the right. As time has shown most people don't have a desire for extremes at either end of the political spectrum. The French elections will however be interesting. And there is a question as to whether Merkel will be able to hold on to power in the upcoming German elections. As the saying goes interesting times lay ahead.

[Digga]

wc98 said:

Leroy902 said:

The fire is slowly beginning to burn out for the blood thirty individuals here in the UK hoping for some sort of 'euro spring' that they thought they caused when brexit came out on top.
Realisation is slowly setting in that it wasn't enough, right wingers that looked like they may take over EU countries are slowly disappearing.

i think the french elections will be the bell weather for where the eu is headed. the dutch and austrian elections were sideshows in comparison .
personally i was glad to see the dutch reject wilders although they had the same result as they always have ,a mish mash of views governing the country that leads to exceedingly bland politics that doesn't achieve much. given their apparent standard of living, that is obviously not such a bad thing in their specific case.

Rutte won with less margin than last time and Wilder's party is now the second largest in the Netherlands. That is all a significant change in the Dutch political landscape, for the time being at least. Just looking at the plain win/lose results pains an extremely inaccurate picture which, no matter how much people want to believe it, is wrong.

[johnfm]

JawKnee said:

DAVEVO9 said:

PurpleMoonlight said:

What's the odds on there being a EU on 30th March 2019?

FTFY

Pretty good chance I'd have thought. The Eurozone is growing economically, Austria and the Netherlands have recently shown they reject the 2016 wave of right wing populism and Le Pen is likely to go the same way.

The Netherlands rejected the wave of right wing populism by voting [u]another[/u] 5 seats to Wilders' party.

Do you even read the news?

[techguyone]

Alex said:

"Brexit Secretary David Davis said the UK was now 'on the threshold of the most important negotiation for this country for a generation'."

Is that an English generation or a Scottish one?

English I reckon, Scots generations seem to only be about 4 years plus they can't even get past the 'getting the right result' at the vote, so it's probably best to not use a Scottish generation

[PH XKR]

Leroy902 said:

The fire is slowly beginning to burn out for the blood thirty individuals here in the UK hoping for some sort of 'euro spring' that they thought they caused when brexit came out on top.
Realisation is slowly setting in that it wasn't enough, right wingers that looked like they may take over EU countries are slowly disappearing.

I'm sick of idiots like yourself trying to proclaim brexit was somehow right-wing.

[TTwiggy]

PH XKR said:

'm sick of idiots like yourself trying to proclaim brexit was somehow right-wing.

Indeed. Euroscepticism is a left-wing trait. Bloody lefties, messing it up for the rest of us again!

[fido]

TTwiggy said:

PH XKR said:

'm sick of idiots like yourself trying to proclaim brexit was somehow right-wing.

Indeed. Euroscepticism is a left-wing trait. Bloody lefties, messing it up for the rest of us again!

That's the point - it's neither left-wing or right-wing. Or would you class Kate Hoey or Jeremy Corbyn or other Labour eurosceptics as from the right? If anything, it shows the New Labour has moved so far away from it's socialist democratic roots that they might as well be the [Il]Liberal Democrats.

[JawKnee]

johnfm said:

JawKnee said:

DAVEVO9 said:

PurpleMoonlight said:

What's the odds on there being a EU on 30th March 2019?

FTFY

Pretty good chance I'd have thought. The Eurozone is growing economically, Austria and the Netherlands have recently shown they reject the 2016 wave of right wing populism and Le Pen is likely to go the same way.

The Netherlands rejected the wave of right wing populism by voting [u]another[/u] 5 seats to Wilders' party.

Do you even read the news?

Have you been reading the news? In case you missed it, Wilder's party did not win the election. The Netherlands rejected it.

PH XKR said:

Leroy902 said:

The fire is slowly beginning to burn out for the blood thirty individuals here in the UK hoping for some sort of 'euro spring' that they thought they caused when brexit came out on top.
Realisation is slowly setting in that it wasn't enough, right wingers that looked like they may take over EU countries are slowly disappearing.

I'm sick of idiots like yourself trying to proclaim brexit was somehow right-wing.

Farage is right wing
UKIP is right wing
The three Brexiteers, yep right whingers
The majority of left wing party voters voted remain
The party leading us out of the EU are a right wing party

How is Brexit anything but a right wing stitch up?

[alfie2244]

JawKnee said:

Farage is right wing
UKIP is right wing
The three Brexiteers, yep right whingers
The majority of left wing party voters voted remain
The party leading us out of the EU are a right wing party

How is Brexit anything but a right wing stitch up?

1k posts in 12 months and this must be the most childish yet....right wing stitch up - stupid boy.

[FiF]

Ah a "stitch up" another term used when the vote hasn't gone your way.
Bit like "populism" vs " democracy"

Pathetic.

[williamp]

JawKnee said:

The majority of left wing party voters voted remain
The party leading us out of the EU are a right wing party

How is Brexit anything but a right wing stitch up?

Comrade Corbyn came out in favour of Brexit, whipped the labour party to vote leave, has always been a Europsceptic. Is it a left wing stitch up too??

[PH XKR]

Jawknee, whilst they didn't win in the Netherlands they made huge gains. But I'm fed up of being labelled in the way you and others label me. It is inaccurate, inappropriate and insulting and belies the truth behind my and many others vote.

[FN2TypeR]

PH XKR said:

Jawknee, whilst they didn't win in the Netherlands they made huge gains. But I'm fed up of being labelled in the way you and others label me. It is inaccurate, inappropriate and insulting and belies the truth behind my and many others vote.

Don't worry about it, it's all people like Jawknee have.

[Digga]

PH XKR said:

Leroy902 said:

The fire is slowly beginning to burn out for the blood thirty individuals here in the UK hoping for some sort of 'euro spring' that they thought they caused when brexit came out on top.
Realisation is slowly setting in that it wasn't enough, right wingers that looked like they may take over EU countries are slowly disappearing.

I'm sick of idiots like yourself trying to proclaim brexit was somehow right-wing.

I'm sick of people exaggerating.

[BJWoods]

Wilders lost?!

well he gained 5 seats, 2nd largest party, and will probably be happiest driving the government from opposition

and I say that because Rutte picked a fight (a huge one) with Turkey to look tough..

and Rutte actually said to immigrants: if you can't behave normal, go away!! (you'd be called far right, if you said that in the UK!)

Yeah - Wilders 'lost' - he has moved the political landscape massively, oh and the Labour Party had a lib dem style meltdown in seats (losing 29)

[danllama]

JawKnee said:

The majority of left wing party voters voted remain

LOL. Source, please.