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steveatesh said:
many of us voted to leave the EU as we judged it less potential for trade growth then the rest of the world.
You might be right in terms of long term potential, but i think you vastly overestimate the considerations of the average voter (whichever way they voted TBF, i just think referenda in general are a stupid idea)Either way, im not exactly happy with europe as it is, but i think with trump and putin behaving as they are, we need a stronger more united europe, not a continent divided by (relatively minor) issues, that can be pushed around on the big points by the US, China and Russia.
Vitorio said:
So does the netherlands, we gave you quite a fight on the seas and did our fair share of trade/colonialism. We told spain to sod off etc..
Doesnt mean that trying to go it alone in todays world is a good idea, its not the 17th/18th/19th century anymore.
I think you guys are all nuts for this brexit, but who am i?
So you are happy to hand your sovereignty over to an un-elected drunkard and his cronies then? Kees de Gyselaer would be happy.Doesnt mean that trying to go it alone in todays world is a good idea, its not the 17th/18th/19th century anymore.
I think you guys are all nuts for this brexit, but who am i?
Vitorio said:
steveatesh said:
many of us voted to leave the EU as we judged it less potential for trade growth then the rest of the world.
You might be right in terms of long term potential, but i think you vastly overestimate the considerations of the average voter (whichever way they voted TBF, i just think referenda in general are a stupid idea)Either way, im not exactly happy with europe as it is, but i think with trump and putin behaving as they are, we need a stronger more united europe, not a continent divided by (relatively minor) issues, that can be pushed around on the big points by the US, China and Russia.
Vitorio said:
steveatesh said:
many of us voted to leave the EU as we judged it less potential for trade growth then the rest of the world.
You might be right in terms of long term potential, but i think you vastly overestimate the considerations of the average voter (whichever way they voted TBF, i just think referenda in general are a stupid idea)Either way, im not exactly happy with europe as it is, but i think with trump and putin behaving as they are, we need a stronger more united europe, not a continent divided by (relatively minor) issues, that can be pushed around on the big points by the US, China and Russia.
t. Our milary is more than capable of repealing any threat. The EU need our might/intelligenceEdited by Burwood on Wednesday 29th March 09:32
Vitorio said:
You might be right in terms of long term potential, but i think you vastly overestimate the considerations of the average voter (whichever way they voted TBF, i just think referenda in general are a stupid idea)
Seems to work exceedingly well for Switzerland, who have the most direct democracy in the world, referenda there is the normal way of government.Me thinks you underestimate the collective wisdom of nation states citizens.
Vitorio said:
So does the netherlands, we gave you quite a fight on the seas and did our fair share of trade/colonialism. We told spain to sod off etc..
Doesnt mean that trying to go it alone in todays world is a good idea, its not the 17th/18th/19th century anymore.
I think you guys are all nuts for this brexit, but who am i?
Wait until your genuine net contributions rise to UK levels and report back. Doesnt mean that trying to go it alone in todays world is a good idea, its not the 17th/18th/19th century anymore.
I think you guys are all nuts for this brexit, but who am i?
And didn't you guys also kick the EU into touch in 2005? When you wake up to how you were then duped with the following treaty, report back
johnxjsc1985 said:
Cold said:
Sir Tim Barrow has entered the (Europa) building.
Hopefully wearing a union Jack tie or at least socks. But had to settle for being dropped off outside by a white van with a pitbull on the passenger seat.
(taken from daily mash)
Murph7355 said:
And didn't you guys also kick the EU into touch in 2005? When you wake up to how you were then duped with the following treaty, report back
I know we were screwed with the treaty of lisbon, i know the whole ukraine thing was a sham (yet again), doesnt mean leaving europe would be a good idea. Europe does need to change, but its not beyond hope, and dropping out is cutting of the nose to spite the face.alfie2244 said:
So you are happy to hand your sovereignty over to an un-elected drunkard and his cronies then? Kees de Gyselaer would be happy.
No, im not a fan of european laws/directives acting on what should be a national level, but again, dropping out is over the top.Also, if you think your elected politicians have your best interest at heart, ive got a bridge to sell you
London424 said:
Isn't that what NATO is for? You know, the thing that lots of EU countries currently aren't paying the proper membership fee to be part of but reaping all the benefits.
NATO is a military organisation, the benefits of a united europe goes far beyond "if you punch me, ill call all my friends and we'll kick your ass".Vitorio said:
NATO is a military organisation, the benefits of a united europe goes far beyond "if you punch me, ill call all my friends and we'll kick your ass".
Really I seem to remember on two previous occasions Mainland Europe pleading with our little Island for help or is that a taboo subject now. It seems quite simple overall. in 1975 the UK voted to join the EEC (Note, NOT the EU) so we went in, and dealt with whatever that meant, because no one then, really knew what being in the EEC meant, (any more than people know now what leaving the EU will mean)
In 2106 the UK voted to leave the EU, so we will come out, and as before have to deal with whatever that means. Interesting times lay ahead.
In 2106 the UK voted to leave the EU, so we will come out, and as before have to deal with whatever that means. Interesting times lay ahead.
Vitorio said:
Murph7355 said:
And didn't you guys also kick the EU into touch in 2005? When you wake up to how you were then duped with the following treaty, report back
I know we were screwed with the treaty of lisbon, i know the whole ukraine thing was a sham (yet again), doesnt mean leaving europe would be a good idea. Europe does need to change, but its not beyond hope, and dropping out is cutting of the nose to spite the face.alfie2244 said:
So you are happy to hand your sovereignty over to an un-elected drunkard and his cronies then? Kees de Gyselaer would be happy.
No, im not a fan of european laws/directives acting on what should be a national level, but again, dropping out is over the top.Also, if you think your elected politicians have your best interest at heart, ive got a bridge to sell you
London424 said:
Isn't that what NATO is for? You know, the thing that lots of EU countries currently aren't paying the proper membership fee to be part of but reaping all the benefits.
NATO is a military organisation, the benefits of a united europe goes far beyond "if you punch me, ill call all my friends and we'll kick your ass".///ajd said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
Cold said:
Sir Tim Barrow has entered the (Europa) building.
Hopefully wearing a union Jack tie or at least socks. But had to settle for being dropped off outside by a white van with a pitbull on the passenger seat.
(taken from daily mash)
johnxjsc1985 said:
Really I seem to remember on two previous occasions Mainland Europe pleading with our little Island for help or is that a taboo subject now.
Neither of which you would have won yourself without help from your own lost colony, or is that a taboo subject as well? I get that you guys all think brexit will bring back the times of spitfires, huricanes and churchill making bold speeches, with all problems being relegated to a minor annoyance by just keeping a stiff upper lip, i just think you are delusional for it.As for those two previous occasions, those are the main reason we have an EU today, a united europe is a pathway to peace and not starting WWIII.
If we are bringing in tenuous historical links, might i suggest we will soon see a british monarch having their spouse decapitated, as that also happened previously when england took a step away from the continent.
London424 said:
Why did you talk about Russia and Putin then? A strongly worded email isn't going to do anything if they want to kick off now is it?
If Putin wants to "kick off", nothing short of the (threat of the) US' nuclear arsenal will stop him, not the EU, not the UK.And not everything escalates to "kicking off", stuff like trade negotiations, diplomacy etc.. are all an EU matter, not NATO.
Pan Pan Pan said:
It seems quite simple overall. in 1975 the UK voted to join the EEC (Note, NOT the EU) so we went in, and dealt with whatever that meant, because no one then, really knew what being in the EEC meant, (any more than people know now what leaving the EU will mean)
In 2106 the UK voted to leave the EU, so we will come out, and as before have to deal with whatever that means. Interesting times lay ahead.
No we did not!In 2106 the UK voted to leave the EU, so we will come out, and as before have to deal with whatever that means. Interesting times lay ahead.
The UK joined the Common Market without a vote for it in 1973, the government took us in.
The UK held a referendum in 1975 on whether we should stay in or leave the Common Market.
The UK has never held a vote on whether to join the EEC/EU.
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