Article 50 ruling due now
Discussion
Vitorio said:
I know we were screwed with the treaty of lisbon, i know the whole ukraine thing was a sham (yet again), doesnt mean leaving europe would be a good idea. Europe does need to change, but its not beyond hope, and dropping out is cutting of the nose to spite the face.
The UK is not leaving Europe, it is leaving the EU.Vitorio said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
Really I seem to remember on two previous occasions Mainland Europe pleading with our little Island for help or is that a taboo subject now.
Neither of which you would have won yourself without help from your own lost colony, or is that a taboo subject as well? I get that you guys all think brexit will bring back the times of spitfires, huricanes and churchill making bold speeches, with all problems being relegated to a minor annoyance by just keeping a stiff upper lip, i just think you are delusional for it.As for those two previous occasions, those are the main reason we have an EU today, a united europe is a pathway to peace and not starting WWIII.
If we are bringing in tenuous historical links, might i suggest we will soon see a british monarch having their spouse decapitated, as that also happened previously when england took a step away from the continent.
London424 said:
Why did you talk about Russia and Putin then? A strongly worded email isn't going to do anything if they want to kick off now is it?
If Putin wants to "kick off", nothing short of the (threat of the) US' nuclear arsenal will stop him, not the EU, not the UK.And not everything escalates to "kicking off", stuff like trade negotiations, diplomacy etc.. are all an EU matter, not NATO.
Vitorio said:
So does the netherlands, we gave you quite a fight on the seas and did our fair share of trade/colonialism. We told spain to sod off etc..
Doesnt mean that trying to go it alone in todays world is a good idea, its not the 17th/18th/19th century anymore.
I think you guys are all nuts for this brexit, but who am i?
A defeatist by the sounds of it.Doesnt mean that trying to go it alone in todays world is a good idea, its not the 17th/18th/19th century anymore.
I think you guys are all nuts for this brexit, but who am i?
Vitorio said:
You might be right in terms of long term potential, but i think you vastly overestimate the considerations of the average voter (whichever way they voted TBF, i just think referenda in general are a stupid idea)
Either way, im not exactly happy with europe as it is, but i think with trump and putin behaving as they are, we need a stronger more united europe, not a continent divided by (relatively minor) issues, that can be pushed around on the big points by the US, China and Russia.
You sound like a typical warmongering European. You want a big club to stand up against the big bullies? Grow up. We've moved on from 1942.Either way, im not exactly happy with europe as it is, but i think with trump and putin behaving as they are, we need a stronger more united europe, not a continent divided by (relatively minor) issues, that can be pushed around on the big points by the US, China and Russia.
Vitorio said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
Really I seem to remember on two previous occasions Mainland Europe pleading with our little Island for help or is that a taboo subject now.
Neither of which you would have won yourself without help from your own lost colony, or is that a taboo subject as well? I get that you guys all think brexit will bring back the times of spitfires, huricanes and churchill making bold speeches, with all problems being relegated to a minor annoyance by just keeping a stiff upper lip, i just think you are delusional for it.As for those two previous occasions, those are the main reason we have an EU today, a united europe is a pathway to peace and not starting WWIII.
If we are bringing in tenuous historical links, might i suggest we will soon see a british monarch having their spouse decapitated, as that also happened previously when england took a step away from the continent.
London424 said:
Why did you talk about Russia and Putin then? A strongly worded email isn't going to do anything if they want to kick off now is it?
If Putin wants to "kick off", nothing short of the (threat of the) US' nuclear arsenal will stop him, not the EU, not the UK.And not everything escalates to "kicking off", stuff like trade negotiations, diplomacy etc.. are all an EU matter, not NATO.
Many are deeply embarrassed by this little englander mentality. Ironically it is the opposite of what really put Great into Britain. They are - quite literally - very much Little Britain!
///ajd said:
Only a small number think spitfires and churchill and flags are the answer. Though it seems like lots on PH.
Many are deeply embarrassed by this little englander mentality. Ironically it is the opposite of what really put Great into Britain. They are - quite literally - very much Little Britain!
In your strange deluded little mind. Many are deeply embarrassed by this little englander mentality. Ironically it is the opposite of what really put Great into Britain. They are - quite literally - very much Little Britain!
///ajd said:
Only a small number think spitfires and churchill and flags are the answer. Though it seems like lots on PH.
Many are deeply embarrassed by this little englander mentality. Ironically it is the opposite of what really put Great into Britain. They are - quite literally - very much Little Britain!
You wouldn't recognise what made and makes Great Britain the wonderful place it is, if it slapped you in the face.Many are deeply embarrassed by this little englander mentality. Ironically it is the opposite of what really put Great into Britain. They are - quite literally - very much Little Britain!
How idiots like you continue to peddle the position that being in an insular, protective, majority white European political construct is more worldly than wanting to break free of that direction of travel and regain our normal position of outward looking to the whole planet is beyond parody.
///ajd said:
Many are deeply embarrassed by this little englander mentality. Ironically it is the opposite of what really put Great into Britain. They are - quite literally - very much Little Britain!
You keep calling people like me "little englander", you do understand that we have just opened our doors to trading with the whole world, everyone! You now like every person in the world if we choose. I call you a little European, very much little Europe.WinstonWolf said:
///ajd said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
Cold said:
Sir Tim Barrow has entered the (Europa) building.
Hopefully wearing a union Jack tie or at least socks. But had to settle for being dropped off outside by a white van with a pitbull on the passenger seat.
(taken from daily mash)
Vitorio said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
Really I seem to remember on two previous occasions Mainland Europe pleading with our little Island for help or is that a taboo subject now.
Neither of which you would have won yourself without help from your own lost colony, or is that a taboo subject as well? I get that you guys all think brexit will bring back the times of spitfires, huricanes and churchill making bold speeches, with all problems being relegated to a minor annoyance by just keeping a stiff upper lip, i just think you are delusional for it.Actually WWI was in full flow with the blockade of Germany causing massive starvation, so debatable and in WWII it was more down to Russia than teh USA, which by the way never gave us anything, lend lease and debts aside, which cost us until very recently.
As for those two previous occasions, those are the main reason we have an EU today, a united europe is a pathway to peace and not starting WWIII.
Not quite, what about the Balkans?
If we are bringing in tenuous historical links, might i suggest we will soon see a british monarch having their spouse decapitated, as that also happened previously when england took a step away from the continent.
That was a religious matter not leaving Europe, we have never left Europe.
London424 said:
Why did you talk about Russia and Putin then? A strongly worded email isn't going to do anything if they want to kick off now is it?
If Putin wants to "kick off", nothing short of the (threat of the) US' nuclear arsenal will stop him, not the EU, not the UK.And not everything escalates to "kicking off", stuff like trade negotiations, diplomacy etc.. are all an EU matter, not NATO.
HiVac said:
WinstonWolf said:
///ajd said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
Cold said:
Sir Tim Barrow has entered the (Europa) building.
Hopefully wearing a union Jack tie or at least socks. But had to settle for being dropped off outside by a white van with a pitbull on the passenger seat.
(taken from daily mash)
You'd have thought she'd have worn Ginger Spice's old frock.
Techie Dave mode off.
Sorry about that, mind bleach available to order.
///ajd said:
Only a small number think spitfires and churchill and flags are the answer. Though it seems like lots on PH.
Many are deeply embarrassed by this little englander mentality. Ironically it is the opposite of what really put Great into Britain. They are - quite literally - very much Little Britain!
Little Britain?Many are deeply embarrassed by this little englander mentality. Ironically it is the opposite of what really put Great into Britain. They are - quite literally - very much Little Britain!
Is this a picture of you and clegg?
///ajd said:
Vitorio said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
Really I seem to remember on two previous occasions Mainland Europe pleading with our little Island for help or is that a taboo subject now.
Neither of which you would have won yourself without help from your own lost colony, or is that a taboo subject as well? I get that you guys all think brexit will bring back the times of spitfires, huricanes and churchill making bold speeches, with all problems being relegated to a minor annoyance by just keeping a stiff upper lip, i just think you are delusional for it.As for those two previous occasions, those are the main reason we have an EU today, a united europe is a pathway to peace and not starting WWIII.
If we are bringing in tenuous historical links, might i suggest we will soon see a british monarch having their spouse decapitated, as that also happened previously when england took a step away from the continent.
London424 said:
Why did you talk about Russia and Putin then? A strongly worded email isn't going to do anything if they want to kick off now is it?
If Putin wants to "kick off", nothing short of the (threat of the) US' nuclear arsenal will stop him, not the EU, not the UK.And not everything escalates to "kicking off", stuff like trade negotiations, diplomacy etc.. are all an EU matter, not NATO.
Many are deeply embarrassed by this little englander mentality. Ironically it is the opposite of what really put Great into Britain. They are - quite literally - very much Little Britain!
Vitorio said:
Murph7355 said:
And didn't you guys also kick the EU into touch in 2005? When you wake up to how you were then duped with the following treaty, report back 
I know we were screwed with the treaty of lisbon, i know the whole ukraine thing was a sham (yet again), doesnt mean leaving europe would be a good idea. Europe does need to change, but its not beyond hope, and dropping out is cutting of the nose to spite the face.alfie2244 said:
So you are happy to hand your sovereignty over to an un-elected drunkard and his cronies then? Kees de Gyselaer would be happy.
No, im not a fan of european laws/directives acting on what should be a national level, but again, dropping out is over the top.Also, if you think your elected politicians have your best interest at heart, ive got a bridge to sell you
London424 said:
Isn't that what NATO is for? You know, the thing that lots of EU countries currently aren't paying the proper membership fee to be part of but reaping all the benefits.
NATO is a military organisation, the benefits of a united europe goes far beyond "if you punch me, ill call all my friends and we'll kick your ass".jsf said:
///ajd said:
Only a small number think spitfires and churchill and flags are the answer. Though it seems like lots on PH.
Many are deeply embarrassed by this little englander mentality. Ironically it is the opposite of what really put Great into Britain. They are - quite literally - very much Little Britain!
You wouldn't recognise what made and makes Great Britain the wonderful place it is, if it slapped you in the face.Many are deeply embarrassed by this little englander mentality. Ironically it is the opposite of what really put Great into Britain. They are - quite literally - very much Little Britain!
How idiots like you continue to peddle the position that being in an insular, protective, majority white European political construct is more worldly than wanting to break free of that direction of travel and regain our normal position of outward looking to the whole planet is beyond parody.
Since the vote I have been trying to work out how Brexiteers are racist, insular etc.....surely being in the remain camp is racist, insular etc?
Being in the EEC/EU is protectionism at its finest.
And then there is the, 'but I won't be able to live and work in another European country argument'....err yeah you will, and you know what you can live and work in any country anywhere in the world.
There is a whole world out there, you need to embrace it.
FiF said:
HiVac said:
WinstonWolf said:
///ajd said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
Cold said:
Sir Tim Barrow has entered the (Europa) building.
Hopefully wearing a union Jack tie or at least socks. But had to settle for being dropped off outside by a white van with a pitbull on the passenger seat.
(taken from daily mash)
You'd have thought she'd have worn Ginger Spice's old frock.
Techie Dave mode off.
Sorry about that, mind bleach available to order.
(Should help your mind bleach sales.....viva Brexit!)
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