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p1stonhead said:
A bit punchy don't you think!?
"should Britain seek to negotiate any free trade deals with other countries while it is still an EU member state, there will be no future discussion of a deal with the union."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/29/f...
It's why I think discussion will take much less than 2 years* "should Britain seek to negotiate any free trade deals with other countries while it is still an EU member state, there will be no future discussion of a deal with the union."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/29/f...
* 6-8 mths
B'stard Child said:
p1stonhead said:
A bit punchy don't you think!?
"should Britain seek to negotiate any free trade deals with other countries while it is still an EU member state, there will be no future discussion of a deal with the union."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/29/f...
It's why I think discussion will take much less than 2 years* "should Britain seek to negotiate any free trade deals with other countries while it is still an EU member state, there will be no future discussion of a deal with the union."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/29/f...
* 6-8 mths
sidicks said:
deadslow said:
yes, but without investment, we have no future
If only a previous Labour government hadn't pissed away a decade of growth and excess tax income, leaving massive debt and a significant deficit... Honestly chap, isn't it time to get beyond party name-calling in respect to the nation's future?Considering the tone of the UK letter of intent, the reply shows the breadth and depth of the hostile animosity to any who dare to invoke their basic rights of self-determination. If that cobblers is indicative of their true feeling it falls rather short of encouraging the remaining 27 to stay in. We should just call the bluff and walk away until they get real or the pressures of time persuade them to focus on a more achievable outcome. Better still, just send them a link to Andrew Neill's piece last Friday.
Thorodin said:
Considering the tone of the UK letter of intent, the reply shows the breadth and depth of the hostile animosity to any who dare to invoke their basic rights of self-determination. If that cobblers is indicative of their true feeling it falls rather short of encouraging the remaining 27 to stay in. We should just call the bluff and walk away until they get real or the pressures of time persuade them to focus on a more achievable outcome. Better still, just send them a link to Andrew Neill's piece last Friday.
I don't understand where all this animosity comes from.We are a huge domestic market, we buy a large share of European goods from cars to electronics. I cannot see how business self-interest would allow such a spiteful response to happen.
deadslow said:
If only a bunch of greedy tories hadn't crashed the banking system.
1. They didn't.2. The direct cost of the banking crisis was relatively small compared to the rest of the debt incurred.
deadslow said:
Honestly chap, isn't it time to get beyond party name-calling in respect to the nation's future?
The nation's future (and the ability to make massive investment) isn't linked to the current financial situation of the country, which is a direct result of a decade of Labour overspending.Edited by sidicks on Wednesday 29th March 16:05
p1stonhead said:
A bit punchy don't you think!?
"should Britain seek to negotiate any free trade deals with other countries while it is still an EU member state, there will be no future discussion of a deal with the union."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/29/f...
I saw that earlier. "should Britain seek to negotiate any free trade deals with other countries while it is still an EU member state, there will be no future discussion of a deal with the union."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/29/f...
I suspect that by the end of this year we will be looking at no special deal with the EU.
MrBrightSi said:
Thorodin said:
Considering the tone of the UK letter of intent, the reply shows the breadth and depth of the hostile animosity to any who dare to invoke their basic rights of self-determination. If that cobblers is indicative of their true feeling it falls rather short of encouraging the remaining 27 to stay in. We should just call the bluff and walk away until they get real or the pressures of time persuade them to focus on a more achievable outcome. Better still, just send them a link to Andrew Neill's piece last Friday.
I don't understand where all this animosity comes from.We are a huge domestic market, we buy a large share of European goods from cars to electronics. I cannot see how business self-interest would allow such a spiteful response to happen.
sidicks said:
deadslow said:
If only a bunch of greedy tories hadn't crashed the banking system.
1. They didn't.2. The direct cost of the banking crisis was relatively small compared to the rest of the debt incurred.
deadslow said:
Honestly chap, isn't it time to get beyond party name-calling in respect to the nation's future?
The nation's future (and the ability to make massive investment) isn't linked to the current financial situation of the country, which is a direct result of a decade of Labour overspending.Edited by sidicks on Wednesday 29th March 16:05
MrBrightSi said:
I don't understand where all this animosity comes from.
We are a huge domestic market, we buy a large share of European goods from cars to electronics. I cannot see how business self-interest would allow such a spiteful response to happen.
It's naked fear that is the driver. When things are swimming along with no discontent the 'diplomacy' is easy - tell lies. In the face of dissent the true character is revealed, together with the fear of being shown just how venal the underlying inadequacies are. Pre-internet days were a doddle, things have changed now.We are a huge domestic market, we buy a large share of European goods from cars to electronics. I cannot see how business self-interest would allow such a spiteful response to happen.
This is where the real ambition surfaces - the EU is primarily a political construct founded by the establishment and paid for by ignorant, biddable and docile masses. We tend to only argue the lesser and simple truths and to our cost completely miss the relevance and extent of vested interests.
MrBrightSi said:
I don't understand where all this animosity comes from.
We are a huge domestic market, we buy a large share of European goods from cars to electronics. I cannot see how business self-interest would allow such a spiteful response to happen.
Remember that the EU is the graveyard of national politicans. These people have rarely witnessed the real world. Take a look at Verhofstadt's wiki page. It doesn't indicate that he has ever held a real job, but that he entered politics at Uni. JC Juncker certainly has never worked (despite having a law degree). We are a huge domestic market, we buy a large share of European goods from cars to electronics. I cannot see how business self-interest would allow such a spiteful response to happen.
deadslow said:
ok chap, still in denial I see, no probs, am oot
Remind us who was in power in 2008.Remind us how long they had been there before that point (you may struggle as it's more than 10. Though you sound like you may have 11 toes so maybe not).
Remind us who completely screwed up banking controls in that same period.
Remind us which political supporters still seem to be able to blame Thatcher for everything after Hitler topped himself.
Remind us of the scale of the actual losses due to banking thus far.
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