Article 50 ruling due now

[techguyone]

I doubt it's fizzling out at all, instead I fully expect lots of different countries eagerly watching to see how we fare - if it looks good, there will be a mass exodus, if not, they'll get on with it as the better (for them) option.

My bigger fear is that we'll leave, and at some point in the future some twunt will get us back in again. Just because.

Then we'll be shafted as we'll never get the kind of deal we had when we were last in, that's for sure.

I draw consolation that I'll likely be long dead by then and won't give a fark though

Something for you youngsters to think about though,as I don't think there maniacs will ever let up.

[Zod]

davepoth said:

Zod said:

I've spent the day in Brussels in the Commission at a workshop on the forthcoming prospectus regulation (exciting, eh? It is important to me).

The British, as ever, contributed the most and were the most frank. There was nothing but appreciation from the Commission and representatives of other Member States. One Dutchman said that, even if we had no future deal with the EU, they'd want us contributing to the EU legislation debates because we have most of the financial services expertise.

I hope this is a sign that the negotiations will be sensible, friendly and productive.

Question for you Zod - was there anyone from Switzerland at the meeting?

No.

[Zod]

KrissKross said:

Zod said:

I've spent the day in Brussels in the Commission at a workshop on the forthcoming prospectus regulation (exciting, eh? It is important to me).

Ah so you are paid in some way to be part of the club, no wonder you are so pro EU.

Paid? No. Who would be paying me?

Getting this stuff right is good for the City, so good for my business, so improves my prospects of earning money from doing deals.

[bristolracer]

We won't be getting many votes at the Eurovision this year

[PRTVR]

bristolracer said:

We won't be getting many votes at the Eurovision this year

Situation normal then, nul points .

[SKP555]

bristolracer said:

We won't be getting many votes at the Eurovision this year

Good point

[Yipper]

Burwood said:

turbobloke said:

Guybrush said:

Yipper said:

The anti-EU uprising across Europe is fizzling out.

For now, the tidal wave of anti-Brexit propaganda has slammed the brakes on Europe's far-right and and anti-EU parties.

Britain won...
Austria lost...
Netherlands lost...
France will lose...
Germany will lose...

Like it or not, the pro-EU parties are winning ~80% of elections and referendums at the moment.

If that's true, I think it cements the view (fact?) that we Brits are made of sterner stuff and are less afraid to break out of the shackles of big brother.

It's wishful thinking in any case. By the same token, UKIP lost in the UK in 2010 and 2015 so the UK would never vote Leave. Then the UK voted to Leave.

The trend in the UK is ahead of other countries - a snapshot in any other country ignores the trend at its peril. Possibly some people don't want to confront the obvious trend across other EU countries because it's disconcerting and runs counter to their personal preferences.

Other countries may or may not leave the EU in the coming years but a snapshot tells us little without looking at the trend.

Too kind in the use of 'wishful'. the post is completely false. It's split down the middle. 49%/51% leave the EU (across all member states populace).

Polls for show, votes for dough.

The reality is, the anti-EU parties are no longer winning. The pro-EU lobby is extremely powerful, very entrenched, and it is throwing every propaganda weapon at it to stop the uprising. The pro-EU camp was caught on the hop by Brexit, but it has since regrouped and fought back fast and strong.

Since Brexit, anti-EU parties have lost every major vote in 2016 and will almost certainly lose every major vote in 2017.

[PurpleAki]

turbobloke said:

Cameron thought Brexit was a bad idea, the basis he gave for this view has so far proved to be tosh.

Has WW3 started yet?

[StottyGTR]

Guybrush said:

Yipper said:

The anti-EU uprising across Europe is fizzling out.

For now, the tidal wave of anti-Brexit propaganda has slammed the brakes on Europe's far-right and and anti-EU parties.

Britain won...
Austria lost...
Netherlands lost...
France will lose...
Germany will lose...

Like it or not, the pro-EU parties are winning ~80% of elections and referendums at the moment.

If that's true, I think it cements the view (fact?) that we Brits are made of sterner stuff and are less afraid to break out of the shackles of big brother.

Not really, being in the EU works well for some counties. It just didn't work too well for the UK in my opinion. I also think this has been a big wake up call for the EU, hopefully they'll get their cards in order. The path the EU was on was frightening and if we had voted to remain I imagine it will have been full steam ahead.

[Burwood]

StottyGTR said:

Guybrush said:

Yipper said:

The anti-EU uprising across Europe is fizzling out.

For now, the tidal wave of anti-Brexit propaganda has slammed the brakes on Europe's far-right and and anti-EU parties.

Britain won...
Austria lost...
Netherlands lost...
France will lose...
Germany will lose...

Like it or not, the pro-EU parties are winning ~80% of elections and referendums at the moment.

If that's true, I think it cements the view (fact?) that we Brits are made of sterner stuff and are less afraid to break out of the shackles of big brother.

Not really, being in the EU works well for some counties. It just didn't work too well for the UK in my opinion. I also think this has been a big wake up call for the EU, hopefully they'll get their cards in order. The path the EU was on was frightening and if we had voted to remain I imagine it will have been full steam ahead.

of course it works well for some countries. Live where you want, their country is a net massive beneficiary in cash terms. A large percentage of their population move abroad (someone else problem). happy days.

[superlightr]

Northern Munkee said:

I thought Greece are preparing for another bailout request? Youth unemployment in the southern states is appalling, migrant season is about to get started and the EU cant make a tough decision, it suffers from slow growth with only Germany enjoying prosperity, but that'll creak under the migrant burden it's given itself, there's almost certainly going to be more terrorism, with the return from Syria of IS fighters particularly to France & Belgium (which means across Schengen) and Turkey well it might just reopen the taps on the Balkan route. Any of that could materially effect the coming elections. Of course the EU may well blame everything on the guy not in the room anymore and somehow all of that is the fault of Brexit.

First out of the door is not panicking. Self determination and having hold of all the levers, in the long term, must be for the best, if we hold are nerve. I'm not convinced by May, she makes generally good speeches, she always has, but her record of delivery is not great. She is the best person in any party right now, to lead the country, and as a remainer she is carrying out the instruction of the country, which is as impressive, as it is surprising that in itself suggests power has been moved closer to the people of the UK, and politicians in the U.K. are more accountable to the electorate, witness Labour MPs voting with their constituents views rather than their own - that's representative democracy.. And for that reason alone if she feels the need & calls an election, I'll vote Tory for the first time to see it through.

It's not without its risks and problems of course but on balance I believe it will be for the best.

Edited by Northern Munkee on Thursday 30th March 08:33

exactly - I think you will see other countries leaving because their finances are bust. PIIGS are still car crashing along - Greece FFS its already on a piece of elastic over the cliff edge - its bust, broke and cant function without bailouts and remain in the Euro These bailouts are a scam and can kicking - its unbelievable that its been kicked so far already. The Eurocrats know that if Greece drops out of the Euro it will also leave the EU which will then knock on to Italy and so on when the debts become realised.

[Digga]

EU's worked well for Italy:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11848048

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/i...

https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2010...

Wonder how they will like the EU once the grants - inevitably, without UK contributions - have to be reduced?

[LasseV]

PurpleAki said:

I await your proof.

I don't need to proof anything. Time will tell. The thing is, you need to be naive and little bit of idiot if you don't be aware of that they does influence peoples opinions around the world via internet/social media. Britain is not an exception.

[Burwood]

Digga said:

EU's worked well for Italy:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11848048

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/i...

https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2010...

Wonder how they will like the EU once the grants - inevitably, without UK contributions - have to be reduced?

You can just imagine the scale of corruption/waste. It's piss boiling.

[Vantagemech]

Yipper said:

Polls for show, votes for dough.

The reality is, the anti-EU parties are no longer winning. The pro-EU lobby is extremely powerful, very entrenched, and it is throwing every propaganda weapon at it to stop the uprising. The pro-EU camp was caught on the hop by Brexit, but it has since regrouped and fought back fast and strong.

Since Brexit, anti-EU parties have lost every major vote in 2016 and will almost certainly lose every major vote in 2017.

Surely this model only works while there is a large amount of support from the EU financially.

Who is going to fill the hole from the UK? One of the biggest contributors leaves, Germany cant just say they will pay, then what?

[Yipper]

Guybrush said:

Yipper said:

The anti-EU uprising across Europe is fizzling out.

For now, the tidal wave of anti-Brexit propaganda has slammed the brakes on Europe's far-right and and anti-EU parties.

Britain won...
Austria lost...
Netherlands lost...
France will lose...
Germany will lose...

Like it or not, the pro-EU parties are winning ~80% of elections and referendums at the moment.

If that's true, I think it cements the view (fact?) that we Brits are made of sterner stuff and are less afraid to break out of the shackles of big brother.

Yes, Brits are the only EU nation not to have been seriously invaded for the past ~900 years. And the UK has pretty much beaten every EU nation it has warred against in the past ~700 years. Britain today still owns bits of Ireland, bits of France, bits of Spain, bits of Greece, and bits of Turkey. That all gives Britain a unique culture, where it is simply not used to being ruled from afar. In living memory, for example, France has been ruled by Germany, while Germany has been ruled by Russia and America. When Britons see the creeping EU tentacles, which have gone way beyond the original economic remit, they see (rightly or wrongly) a European invasion by proxy. That concerns many (and understandably so).

The question is "what happens next". The UK's biggest problem is that her economy is a disaster (before the EU, during the EU, and today after the EU). London is rich, but the remainder ~80% of the country is very poor (by Western standards). Places like Glasgow, West Wales, and Cornwall are bordering on third-world. The UK will only be influential in the world of the future if her economy is powerful and strong. With only around 1 in 5 "cylinders" firing for the UK economy, her economic decline may be too far gone to save her, whether in or out of the EU.

[don'tbesilly]

PurpleAki said:

turbobloke said:

Cameron thought Brexit was a bad idea, the basis he gave for this view has so far proved to be tosh.

Has WW3 started yet?

Kicks off in 2019.

It will follow the recession, the massive rise in interest rates,the delayed emergency budget/ the sharp decline of growth in the UK economy and a massive rise in mortgage rates leading to mass repossessions and thousands of families joining the Romanians camped out on Park Lane.

The homeless families will be joined by the bankers and vast swathes of the City and Canary Wharf will be turned into desolate swamplands repossessed by nature and occupied by an invasion of the lessed spotted crested newt and members of the Green party, the rumour regarding a plague of locusts may prove to be untrue.

[hyphen]

Yipper said:

Polls for show, votes for dough.

The reality is, the anti-EU parties are no longer winning. The pro-EU lobby is extremely powerful, very entrenched, and it is throwing every propaganda weapon at it to stop the uprising. The pro-EU camp was caught on the hop by Brexit, but it has since regrouped and fought back fast and strong.

Since Brexit, anti-EU parties have lost every major vote in 2016 and will almost certainly lose every major vote in 2017.

What have any anti-EU party been winning though? As it seems a a lot of talk and no results.
Brexit only happened as high profile Tories and a few Labour were leading the campaign, if it had been UKIP against the rest they would probably have lost.

[Northern Munkee]

James Obrien is currently melting down on lbc

[IanH755]

Yipper said:

Since Brexit, anti-EU parties have lost every major vote in 2016 and will almost certainly lose every major vote in 2017.

The things is, while they have all "lost", their support and percentage of the vote is going up while the Pro-EU parties numbers are falling, so give it another 5-10 years and who knows where the Majority vote will be!