Article 50 ruling due now

[jonnyb]

p1stonhead said:

jonnyb said:

p1stonhead said:

jonnyb said:

turbobloke said:

As expected the HoL was uppity and has delayed progress of the Bill but has not stopped A50. HoC will remove their uppitiness.

I don't understand why its uppity? Why don't the Hoc just agree to the amendments and get on with it?

No one can guarantee anything to anyone.

We can guarantee it to them, so why don't we? Then were not using human beings as pawns in our little game.

You don't give something away in a negotiation without getting something in return.

If the EU don't give it in return we can repeal the law. However, I think they will and it gives us the moral high ground right at the beginning.

[CaptainSlow]

Andy 308GTB said:

JawKnee said:

Ooooo look! All of a sudden the Brexiters pretend to care about Brits living in Europe. You're not fooling anyone. You've fked over your fellow countrymen with your selfish vote.

Yawn...

Remainers now worrying about the certainties for EU nationals when previously they just wanted a cheap plumber.

[CaptainSlow]

MrBarry123 said:

Oh my God, I bet peers are stting themselves...

Nearly 40,000 signatures.

give it 24 hours....

[B'stard Child]

JawKnee said:

Ooooo look! All of a sudden the Brexiters pretend to care about Brits living in Europe. You're not fooling anyone. You've fked over your fellow countrymen with your selfish vote.

Oooh look a squirrel

My favourite Corbyn quotes from you

JawKnee said:

He's a leader with balls. Just what this party needs.

JawKnee said:

The next government will be a Labour one.

JawKnee said:

Corbyn will do the job.

V6Pushfit said:

JawKnee said:

Do Labour voters actually believe that JC can lead? And lead them to a better future?

Yes, definitely.

JawKnee said:

Labour have won every by-election while Corbyn has been leader and increased their vote share in 75% of them. They fared better in the local elections than many were predicting. In May Labour were neck and neck with the Tories in the polls.

JawKnee said:

This leadership challenge has no doubt hurt the party's ratings but once it is over I fully expect the polls to narrow a great deal more.

JawKnee said:

Then roll on 2020. The way Theresa May is going, the next election will be a stroll in the park for Labour.

JawKnee said:

Labour will be in government in 2020.

JawKnee said:

Won all 4 by elections under Corbyn. Increasing vote share in 75% of them. Labour are serious. They will win in 2020.

[CrutyRammers]

jonnyb said:

If the EU don't give it in return we can repeal the law. However, I think they will and it gives us the moral high ground right at the beginning.

fking hilarious. It's supposed to be the leavers who were evil, but here we have two ardent remainers arguing that we should make guarantees to ordinary people, then turn around later and say "haha sorry, no we changed our mind". How immoral can you get?

[IroningMan]

B'stard Child said:

JawKnee said:

Ooooo look! All of a sudden the Brexiters pretend to care about Brits living in Europe. You're not fooling anyone. You've fked over your fellow countrymen with your selfish vote.

Oooh look a squirrel

My favourite Corbyn quotes from you

JawKnee said:

He's a leader with balls. Just what this party needs.

JawKnee said:

The next government will be a Labour one.

JawKnee said:

Corbyn will do the job.

V6Pushfit said:

JawKnee said:

Do Labour voters actually believe that JC can lead? And lead them to a better future?

Yes, definitely.

JawKnee said:

Labour have won every by-election while Corbyn has been leader and increased their vote share in 75% of them. They fared better in the local elections than many were predicting. In May Labour were neck and neck with the Tories in the polls.

JawKnee said:

This leadership challenge has no doubt hurt the party's ratings but once it is over I fully expect the polls to narrow a great deal more.

JawKnee said:

Then roll on 2020. The way Theresa May is going, the next election will be a stroll in the park for Labour.

JawKnee said:

Labour will be in government in 2020.

JawKnee said:

Won all 4 by elections under Corbyn. Increasing vote share in 75% of them. Labour are serious. They will win in 2020.

Now who's pointing at squirrels???

[B'stard Child]

IroningMan said:

Now who's pointing at squirrels???

Jawknee is - this thread is part of his distraction technique so he doesn't have to talk about Corbyn

[don'tbesilly]

B'stard Child said:

IroningMan said:

Now who's pointing at squirrels???

Jawknee is - this thread is part of his distraction technique so he doesn't have to talk about Corbyn

Who?

[B'stard Child]

don'tbesilly said:

B'stard Child said:

IroningMan said:

Now who's pointing at squirrels???

Jawknee is - this thread is part of his distraction technique so he doesn't have to talk about Corbyn

Who?

Jawknee - he's the slightly humorous chap who has a passion for Corbyn and believes he will be the next PM in 2020 - Initially thought to be a bit of a Troll but clearly he's not and we have found someone who would poll in favour of the scruffy left wing scarecrow.










Oh you meant Corbyn............ Sorry try google search

[Nuclear Biscuit]

45000+ now. It'll be interesting to see where this is tomorrow night.

[Jockman]

don'tbesilly said:

Jockman said:

Jimboka said:

Perhaps some goodwill on our behalf will be reciprocated.
We should set the moral high ground, rather than threats.
Can always change our minds if it doesn't go to plan..

.

I applaud the humanity and sincerity of the HOL and its Members but I do have qualms about their view of the real world post brexit.

It's a disgrace the same humanity and sincerity wasn't demonstrated towards UK nationals living in EU countries, who,should the amendment go through could have a two year future of uncertainty and doubt about their status, which is what the Lords had so much concern about for EU nationals in the UK.

The Lords clearly still live in the era of Neville Chamberlain, where capitulation and appeasement are thought to be the way forward, it seems none of them have learnt from history!

If I was a UK national living in the EU, I would be both angry and saddened at what many will see as the UK having little concern for those working and living in the EU, and EU nationals being of more importance to the UK.

I think we both know HOC will simply reject recommendations from the HOL.

As for UK nationals living in the EU I think the brexit vote per se has left them feeling marginalised in any case.

[Jockman]

JawKnee said:

Ooooo look! All of a sudden the Brexiters pretend to care about Brits living in Europe. You're not fooling anyone. You've fked over your fellow countrymen with your selfish vote.

Some would say a vote for the status quo was a selfish vote.

Both interpretations could be challenged on grounds of correctness.

[danllama]

JawKnee said:

Ooooo look! All of a sudden the Brexiters pretend to care about Brits living in Europe. You're not fooling anyone. You've fked over your fellow countrymen with your selfish vote.

shutup and get back in your hole you twonk

[JawKnee]

B'stard Child said:

IroningMan said:

Now who's pointing at squirrels???

Jawknee is - this thread is part of his distraction technique so he doesn't have to talk about Corbyn

On the contrary. You seem unable to stop talking about Mr Corbyn, shoehorning him into every thread you can.

[B'stard Child]

JawKnee said:

B'stard Child said:

IroningMan said:

Now who's pointing at squirrels???

Jawknee is - this thread is part of his distraction technique so he doesn't have to talk about Corbyn

On the contrary. You seem unable to stop talking about Mr Corbyn, shoehorning him into every thread you can.

Good point badly made young man - perhaps I have an obsession about you and your obsession with Corbyn

[brrapp]

Nuclear Biscuit said:

45000+ now. It'll be interesting to see where this is tomorrow night.

46000+ now, 1000 in 15 minutes, P45s getting handed out at the HOL shortly.

[BJG1]

turbobloke said:

Is the EU guaranteeing anything at this stage?

Surely negotiation between two parties involves negotiation, not pre-emptive guarantees regardless of anything else.

Who cares if the EU are guaranteeing anything?

The right to remain in the UK for people already here is of limited bargaining power anyway - we're not seriously going to threaten mass deportation. As far as negotiating tactics goes, taking the moral high ground before negotiations start would probably serve us better anyway

[brenflys777]

BJG1 said:

Who cares if the EU are guaranteeing anything?

The right to remain in the UK for people already here is of limited bargaining power anyway - we're not seriously going to threaten mass deportation. As far as negotiating tactics goes, taking the moral high ground before negotiations start would probably serve us better anyway

You agree with Farage then:

https://twitter.com/MitchellCMM/status/83705216412...

Not sure I do. I think it sets the tone and whilst someone like Farage would be known to be belligerent in future, I think it may give the wrong impression to the EU. Having said that it wouldn't surprise me if May accepted it as the price of doing business.

[B'stard Child]

brrapp said:

Nuclear Biscuit said:

45000+ now. It'll be interesting to see where this is tomorrow night.

46000+ now, 1000 in 15 minutes, P45s getting handed out at the HOL shortly.

The Petitions home page clocks it at 2832 per hour

It's not coming up on my social media radar - they only ever got stratospheric when that happens

[Hayek]

wc98 said:

IroningMan said:

The Lords do seem to be thrashing about on this - but they're doing so safe in the knowledge that the Commons can ignore them.

Less easy to ignore is the new PH meme which seems to be that any person, body or institution which doesn't automatically toe the hard Brexit party line must therefore be an enemy of the people, unfit for purpose and immediately reformed or abolished accordingly - irrespective of its stance on any other question. See also the Supreme Court.

As single-issue groups go we are painting a singularly unedifying picture of ourselves.

we have too many mp's,lords, mep's (not for much longer) councillors and civil servants , they could all do with being thinned out ,austere times don't you know.

as for putting in writing something we all want and expect before the negotiations with the eu that will involve reciprocation with eu resident uk citizens ,i think that shows a naivety that should not exist at that level of politics. i would have said stupidity over naivety ,but we all know that is not the case.

I've always been sympathetic to the way the Lords used to be - hereditary peers who in theory made sensible decisions because they weren't at the mercy of an upcoming election.

However increasingly I feel like our system has painted itself into a corner into which it can no longer be taken seriously. I'd be concerned if we didn't have a sanity check on the commons, at the same time though what use is it if it can be stuffed by political parties, and if those Lords with an EU pension must remain loyal to the EU to ensure they receive their pension. Too many conflicts of interest.

Also if the Lords are abolished and the idea of hereditary peers is finished with, would this mean the monarchy starts looking unsustainable?

Edited by Hayek on Wednesday 1st March 23:52