Audi US shoots itself in the foot

[Monty Python]

Puts advert on at the Superbowl pedalling the myth of the gender pay gap:

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/02/06/audi-runs-...

[FredClogs]

Monty Python said:

Puts advert on at the Superbowl pedalling the myth of the gender pay gap:

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/02/06/audi-runs-...

Audi didn't "prove" the gender pay gap doesn't exist, they just said that they pay equally.

Fake news.

[Monty Python]

FredClogs said:

Audi didn't "prove" the gender pay gap doesn't exist, they just said that they pay equally.

Fake news.

Errrr....watch the advert - in it they claim that women are paid less than men.

[Digga]

On the Viz FB feed this morning:

[Tampon]

No, they say women get paid less than men, and that Audi as a company don't do that. They pay equally

Yeah Audi, boo everybody else.

[FredClogs]

Monty Python said:

FredClogs said:

Audi didn't "prove" the gender pay gap doesn't exist, they just said that they pay equally.

Fake news.

Errrr....watch the advert - in it they claim that women are paid less than men.

Women are paid less than men, just not at Audi - apparently.

There's nothing controversial to get exercised about here.

[amusingduck]

FredClogs said:

Women are paid less than men

Why don't companies hire women exclusively then? Nice easy way to reduce their costs.

[vonuber]

It depresses me to think of the struggles my daughters are going to face as they grow up, especially when confronted with things like this thread.

[Monty Python]

vonuber said:

It depresses me to think of the struggles my daughters are going to face as they grow up, especially when confronted with things like this thread.

What struggles would they be? They'll only struggle if they succumb to the mindset that because they're of the female persuasion they can't do certain jobs.

A lot of women don't go into STEM because it's seen as a male-dominated area, but that's because women don't seem to like those subjects and choose less "technical" fields which tend to pay less.

If you want to be successful, then you have to make the right choices and not let others do it for you.

[oyster]

Scares me just how paranoid the middle class, middle-aged white men are becoming.

They have everything stacked in their favour but still see women and non-whites as a threat.

How pathetic.

[FredClogs]

amusingduck said:

FredClogs said:

Women are paid less than men

Why don't companies hire women exclusively then? Nice easy way to reduce their costs.

I would be illegal for a start, but I'm sure you will be aware if you go to a super market, retail outlet or several other very cost sensitive businesses you find the demographics in the work place are skewed that way.

[babatunde]

FredClogs said:

amusingduck said:

FredClogs said:

Women are paid less than men

Why don't companies hire women exclusively then? Nice easy way to reduce their costs.

I would be illegal for a start, but I'm sure you will be aware if you go to a super market, retail outlet or several other very cost sensitive businesses you find the demographics in the work place are skewed that way.

The facts are irrelevant, any empirical research is biased, women who've experienced being paid less are all lying and on their periods, black is white, white is black, up is down.

[amusingduck]

babatunde said:

FredClogs said:

amusingduck said:

FredClogs said:

Women are paid less than men

Why don't companies hire women exclusively then? Nice easy way to reduce their costs.

I would be illegal for a start, but I'm sure you will be aware if you go to a super market, retail outlet or several other very cost sensitive businesses you find the demographics in the work place are skewed that way.

The facts are irrelevant, any empirical research is biased, women who've experienced being paid less are all lying and on their periods, black is white, white is black, up is down.

Would you happen to have a source that states women are paid, on average, less money per unit of time worked. One that accounts for all of the factors.

These factors include Age bracket, location, experience, company sector, etc.

I've never seen any analysis that actually accounted for everything that has an influence.

[JagLover]

vonuber said:

It depresses me to think of the struggles my daughters are going to face as they grow up, especially when confronted with things like this thread.

Well given that at the start of their working careers they will earn slightly more than men I am sure they will do OK.

ONS said:

In fact, full-time women are paid on average slightly more than men between the ages of 22 and 29.

http://visual.ons.gov.uk/what-is-the-gender-pay-gap/

Also women are more likely than men these days to enter the professions.

[FredClogs]

amusingduck said:

Would you happen to have a source that states women are paid, on average, less money per unit of time worked. One that accounts for all of the factors.

These factors include Age bracket, location, experience, company sector, etc.

I've never seen any analysis that actually accounted for everything that has an influence.

Lots of data here...

https://www.ifs.org.uk/uploads/Presentations/Rob%2...

also if in US data here...

http://www.aauw.org/aauw_check/pdf_download/show_p...

Edited by FredClogs on Tuesday 7th February 13:03

[amgmcqueen]

oyster said:

Scares me just how paranoid the middle class, middle-aged white men are becoming.

They have everything stacked in their favour but still see women and non-whites as a threat.

How pathetic.

Do they...?!

[JagLover]

oyster said:

Scares me just how paranoid the middle class, middle-aged white men are becoming.

They have everything stacked in their favour but still see women and non-whites as a threat.
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Interesting to hear why things are "stacked in their favor" when many larger firms are so desperate to have more females in senior roles they tend to enter management roles earlier than men used to do.

The bulk of the pay gap comprises women who entered the labour market prior to the mid nineties and has very little relevance to today's world.

Where there will likely be a pay gap continuing into the future is for women taking career breaks for child care and returning on more limited hours.

[Mr Snrub]

amusingduck said:

babatunde said:

FredClogs said:

amusingduck said:

FredClogs said:

Women are paid less than men

Why don't companies hire women exclusively then? Nice easy way to reduce their costs.

I would be illegal for a start, but I'm sure you will be aware if you go to a super market, retail outlet or several other very cost sensitive businesses you find the demographics in the work place are skewed that way.

The facts are irrelevant, any empirical research is biased, women who've experienced being paid less are all lying and on their periods, black is white, white is black, up is down.

Would you happen to have a source that states women are paid, on average, less money per unit of time worked. One that accounts for all of the factors.

These factors include Age bracket, location, experience, company sector, etc.

I've never seen any analysis that actually accounted for everything that has an influence.

Or if companies all over the country are getting away with paying women less, where are the tens of thousands of successful gender discrimination claims? Are we really supposed to believe that companies across the land have decided to forgo higher profits just to maintain the patriarchy?

[FredClogs]

JagLover said:

Where there will likely be a pay gap continuing into the future is for women taking career breaks for child care and returning on more limited hours.

That's simply not true. There is no evidence to support what you're saying, every study I have ever seen concludes that even in like for like roles there is a pay gap, it is shrinking but at current rate not expected to close for generations.

Of course in mean terms as a wider society the over all pay gap represents different choices between men and women but all the studies I've seen conclude that like for like, all things being equal in terms of role and hours women still get paid less.

[amusingduck]

FredClogs said:

Lots of data here...

https://www.ifs.org.uk/uploads/Presentations/Rob%2...

also if in US data here...

http://www.aauw.org/aauw_check/pdf_download/show_p...

The first one is lots of analysing the "wage gap" that they define at the start as simply the difference between men and women's average £/hr.

That's not good enough. Why is there a difference? Are women being underpaid for the same roles, in the same sectors? Are women simply choosing jobs that pay less on average? It is not explored, so the resulting analysis is largely useless.

I will clarify my position, in that I do not believe that there is a wage gap for equal work performed. Earnings gap? Sure, but why is that an issue? If bob down the road makes twice what I do, but works 90 hours a week, no injustice there.