Cyclist ignores red light, gets hit, driver is prosecuted...
Discussion
Digby said:
irocfan said:
here's another one...
let's be clear here THE CAR DRIVER IS IN THE WRONG!! But (and you knew that there had to be one) substitute the cyclist for a car driver and people would be saying that he was driving too fast for the conditions/he should have been driving at a speed where he was able to stop etc etc. What's sauce for the goose and all that...
Correct.let's be clear here THE CAR DRIVER IS IN THE WRONG!! But (and you knew that there had to be one) substitute the cyclist for a car driver and people would be saying that he was driving too fast for the conditions/he should have been driving at a speed where he was able to stop etc etc. What's sauce for the goose and all that...
As a child and now, as an adult, I would have been slowed right down at that point...."just in case"
No crashes on my bike, no crashes on my motorbike, a single non-fault crash in a car. That's it for me, yet I have had this happen more times than I can remember.
It has fk up written all over it, that scenario.
Car driver is the typical "didn't see you" type, rider had zero reason to crash. The rider doesn't seem to react to the car turning at any point. Perhaps they "didn't see" the car.
Both idiots, but yet again, one is the greater idiot due to the increased risk of injury should the quite predictable (in this case) happen.
Are you 11 years old?
kingston12 said:
heebeegeetee said:
I couldn't give a kipper what the cyclists do, I really couldn't, and for the life of me I don't know why you are so troubled by them. As I said before, it really doesn't make an ounce of sense.
I care about what they do. It is still dangerous, just not as dangerous.I was reminded of this thread this morning as I waited at a crossing on Waterloo Road in London on my way into the office.
It is a busy crossing and probably fifty people start crossing as soon as the 'green man' comes on. About halfway across, I hear a shout coming from a cyclist who wants everyone to get out of the way so he can come through on a red light.
Everyone holds back apart from one lady who is either very foolhardy or doesn't hear him because she is listening to music. He eventually brakes, but still hits her and knocks her over.
The cyclist somehow doesn't fall and rides straight off and the lady is helped up and seems to be only shaken rather than harmed.
Had a car or lorry done the same, she'd have likely been killed, so I accept that the cyclist doing it didn't cause as much harm, but that doesn't mean it is acceptable to do it.
Pachydermus said:
kingston12 said:
heebeegeetee said:
I couldn't give a kipper what the cyclists do, I really couldn't, and for the life of me I don't know why you are so troubled by them. As I said before, it really doesn't make an ounce of sense.
I care about what they do. It is still dangerous, just not as dangerous.I was reminded of this thread this morning as I waited at a crossing on Waterloo Road in London on my way into the office.
It is a busy crossing and probably fifty people start crossing as soon as the 'green man' comes on. About halfway across, I hear a shout coming from a cyclist who wants everyone to get out of the way so he can come through on a red light.
Everyone holds back apart from one lady who is either very foolhardy or doesn't hear him because she is listening to music. He eventually brakes, but still hits her and knocks her over.
The cyclist somehow doesn't fall and rides straight off and the lady is helped up and seems to be only shaken rather than harmed.
Had a car or lorry done the same, she'd have likely been killed, so I accept that the cyclist doing it didn't cause as much harm, but that doesn't mean it is acceptable to do it.
I can assure you that I walked across once the green man was showing and the woman who was knocked over by the cyclist was not that far in front of me. The cyclist 100% went through a red light to hit her.
I am not saying that other people didn't walk across the road when they weren't supposed to, and you are right to say that this happens particularly often at that crossing.
That is the second time in this thread that someone has fabricated a large (and wrong) assumption to back up their argument. I still can't believe how tribal this argument gets.
Edited by kingston12 on Wednesday 22 February 12:48
oyster said:
Digby said:
irocfan said:
here's another one...
let's be clear here THE CAR DRIVER IS IN THE WRONG!! But (and you knew that there had to be one) substitute the cyclist for a car driver and people would be saying that he was driving too fast for the conditions/he should have been driving at a speed where he was able to stop etc etc. What's sauce for the goose and all that...
Correct.let's be clear here THE CAR DRIVER IS IN THE WRONG!! But (and you knew that there had to be one) substitute the cyclist for a car driver and people would be saying that he was driving too fast for the conditions/he should have been driving at a speed where he was able to stop etc etc. What's sauce for the goose and all that...
As a child and now, as an adult, I would have been slowed right down at that point...."just in case"
No crashes on my bike, no crashes on my motorbike, a single non-fault crash in a car. That's it for me, yet I have had this happen more times than I can remember.
It has fk up written all over it, that scenario.
Car driver is the typical "didn't see you" type, rider had zero reason to crash. The rider doesn't seem to react to the car turning at any point. Perhaps they "didn't see" the car.
Both idiots, but yet again, one is the greater idiot due to the increased risk of injury should the quite predictable (in this case) happen.
Are you 11 years old?
Assuming the video is in real time then anyone who believes that they could have reacted in a way which would have avoided that crash in the time available in or on any vehicle is living in cloud-cuckoo land.
kingston12 said:
That is the second time in this thread that someone has fabricated a large (and wrong) story to back up their argument.
efa.I also work in the area and walk down waterloo road regularly. I've seen so many incidents of people walking in front of cyclists that I've lost count but I've never seen a cyclist stupid enough to attempt to ride through a group of 50 pedestrians.
Pachydermus said:
kingston12 said:
That is the second time in this thread that someone has fabricated a large (and wrong) story to back up their argument.
efa.I also work in the area and walk down waterloo road regularly. I've seen so many incidents of people walking in front of cyclists that I've lost count but I've never seen a cyclist stupid enough to attempt to ride through a group of 50 pedestrians.
Pachydermus said:
kingston12 said:
That is the second time in this thread that someone has fabricated a large (and wrong) story to back up their argument.
efa.Pachydermus said:
I also work in the area and walk down waterloo road regularly. I've seen so many incidents of people walking in front of cyclists that I've lost count but I've never seen a cyclist stupid enough to attempt to ride through a group of 50 pedestrians.
That is the first time I have seen someone riding quite so aggressively there, but if you want to see it more often try Blackfriars Road. There is a pedestrian crossing there that doesn't apply to the cycle lane and pedestrians (wrongly) cross the cycle lane in hordes after coming off the main crossing. Very rarely do the cyclists ever stop there and I see near misses very regularly.To get there from Waterloo Road you could walk up Roupell Street, but be careful as you often get cyclists going the wrong way up the one-way part of the street and then shouting at pedestrians out get out of their way!
I don't want to come across as anti-cyclist, because I'm really not, but I don't see the point in ignoring the fact that some of them are riding badly.
LocoCoco said:
It seems like you are saying that if you haven't seen something happen it's never happened.
no, I'm saying that someone who comes on here with some event they "just happened to see this morning" never happened. I've seen London cyclists do all manner of silly things but the only ones I've ever seen yelling at people in 15 years of riding into and walking around London are yelling at people who are crossing against the lights without looking.
Strange how nobody spends pages discussing how dangerously suicidal pedestrians are and how they should be doing everything to protect themselves but I guess we don't get to hate on them because we ARE them.
Pachydermus said:
LocoCoco said:
It seems like you are saying that if you haven't seen something happen it's never happened.
no, I'm saying that someone who comes on here with some event they "just happened to see this morning" never happened. I've seen London cyclists do all manner of silly things but the only ones I've ever seen yelling at people in 15 years of riding into and walking around London are yelling at people who are crossing against the lights without looking.
Strange how nobody spends pages discussing how dangerously suicidal pedestrians are and how they should be doing everything to protect themselves but I guess we don't get to hate on them because we ARE them.
I just happened to see a loose dog running in the road this morning. Did that happen or not?
LocoCoco said:
Pachydermus said:
kingston12 said:
That is the second time in this thread that someone has fabricated a large (and wrong) story to back up their argument.
efa.I also work in the area and walk down waterloo road regularly. I've seen so many incidents of people walking in front of cyclists that I've lost count but I've never seen a cyclist stupid enough to attempt to ride through a group of 50 pedestrians.
This incident happened this morning and I have seen many like it. The only reason I thought to comment this time was because it reminded my of this thread that I had recently commented on.
To be fair, I should have known that it would have baited the 'cyclists can never, ever be in the wrong' posters on here but that was NOT the reason I mentioned it.
kingston12 said:
To be fair, I should have known that it would have baited the 'cyclists can never, ever be in the wrong' posters on here but that was NOT the reason I mentioned it.
no, of course not and I'm pretty sure I just posted that I've seen cyclists do lots of silly things so I'm hardly in the "cyclists can never, ever be in the wrong" brigade.I had a motorist overtake me while I was stopped at a pedestrian crossing waiting for someone to start crossing last week.
I haven't felt the need to post here how I believe all motorists are, therefore,
s based on the sample size of 1.Pachydermus said:
Strange how nobody spends pages discussing how dangerously suicidal pedestrians are and how they should be doing everything to protect themselves but I guess we don't get to hate on them because we ARE them.
I'd definitely take part in a thread like that! My pet hate is people walking into me whilst glued to their phones (and that happens a LOT in the area of London we have been discussing I can assure you). They can (and do) easily walk into the road doing the same.Cyclists are wrongly seen more as a group, so the actions of one of them reflects badly on the group as a whole. This is clearly ridiculous, but what we are stuck with it seems.
Pachydermus said:
kingston12 said:
To be fair, I should have known that it would have baited the 'cyclists can never, ever be in the wrong' posters on here but that was NOT the reason I mentioned it.
no, of course not and I'm pretty sure I just posted that I've seen cyclists do lots of silly things so I'm hardly in the "cyclists can never, ever be in the wrong" brigade.I had a motorist overtake me while I was stopped at a pedestrian crossing waiting for someone to start crossing last week.
I haven't felt the need to post here how I believe all motorists are, therefore,
s based on the sample size of 1.Pachydermus said:
kingston12 said:
To be fair, I should have known that it would have baited the 'cyclists can never, ever be in the wrong' posters on here but that was NOT the reason I mentioned it.
no, of course not and I'm pretty sure I just posted that I've seen cyclists do lots of silly things so I'm hardly in the "cyclists can never, ever be in the wrong" brigade.Pachydermus said:
I had a motorist overtake me while I was stopped at a pedestrian crossing waiting for someone to start crossing last week.
I haven't felt the need to post here how I believe all motorists are, therefore,s based on the sample size of 1.
To be fair, I didn't make any accusations against any other cyclists based on that or any other incident. That is the trap that a lot of people fall in to with cyclists. As I posted earlier in the thread, I feel that I am treated badly by motorists when I am cycling purely because of the actions of other cyclists somehow reflecting badly on ME!I haven't felt the need to post here how I believe all motorists are, therefore,
s based on the sample size of 1.I would never be so bold as to say that I have never done anything wrong when I am on my bike, but I know for a fact I have never jumped a red light or zebra crossing, riden on the pavement or any of the other main 'crimes' that are always leveled at cyclists.
That is one of the reasons I think that other cyclists shouldn't do it. It might not be as dangerous as a car driver doing it, but it does nothing at all for the image of 'the cyclist'.
It would be better still if people stopped viewing cyclists as one homogenous group, but I can't ever see that happening.
Yet again, the motorist takes the blame.
If these had been both cars and the collision had occured, it would have been a slam dunk error on behalf of the red light jumper. But because one of them happened to have been on a bike and got hurt - the motorist collars driving without due care.
What are driver's supposed to do, keep looking left and right as we cross every junction on green fking light or what....?
If these had been both cars and the collision had occured, it would have been a slam dunk error on behalf of the red light jumper. But because one of them happened to have been on a bike and got hurt - the motorist collars driving without due care.
What are driver's supposed to do, keep looking left and right as we cross every junction on green f
king light or what....?Cobnapint said:
Yet again, the motorist takes the blame.
If these had been both cars and the collision had occured, it would have been a slam dunk error on behalf of the red light jumper. But because one of them happened to have been on a bike and got hurt - the motorist collars driving without due care.
What are driver's supposed to do, keep looking left and right as we cross every junction on green fking light or what....?
Erm...If these had been both cars and the collision had occured, it would have been a slam dunk error on behalf of the red light jumper. But because one of them happened to have been on a bike and got hurt - the motorist collars driving without due care.
What are driver's supposed to do, keep looking left and right as we cross every junction on green f
king light or what....?Cobnapint said:
What are driver's supposed to do, keep looking left and right as we cross every junction on green fking light or what....?
Errrrrr... Yes! king light or what....?
Well, it depends if you want to stay alive or not, I guess. If you think a red light physically stops a 44 tonne hgv, then crack right on with setting off from a junction without checking if it's safe or clear.
f
k me! 
kingston12 said:
Pachydermus said:
kingston12 said:
To be fair, I should have known that it would have baited the 'cyclists can never, ever be in the wrong' posters on here but that was NOT the reason I mentioned it.
no, of course not and I'm pretty sure I just posted that I've seen cyclists do lots of silly things so I'm hardly in the "cyclists can never, ever be in the wrong" brigade.t" type rubbish that I reflexively disbelieve it all now. kingston12 said:
To be fair, I didn't make any accusations against any other cyclists based on that or any other incident. That is the trap that a lot of people fall in to with cyclists. As I posted earlier in the thread, I feel that I am treated badly by motorists when I am cycling purely because of the actions of other cyclists somehow reflecting badly on ME!
I would never be so bold as to say that I have never done anything wrong when I am on my bike, but I know for a fact I have never jumped a red light or zebra crossing, riden on the pavement or any of the other main 'crimes' that are always leveled at cyclists.
That is one of the reasons I think that other cyclists shouldn't do it. It might not be as dangerous as a car driver doing it, but it does nothing at all for the image of 'the cyclist'.
this ^ I rarely if ever contravene the highway code while cycling. I'm pretty sure there's not many motorists out there (including me) who can say the same - presuming they actually know what's in the highway code which, if this thread is any indication, not many seem to despite all the training they claim to have done.I would never be so bold as to say that I have never done anything wrong when I am on my bike, but I know for a fact I have never jumped a red light or zebra crossing, riden on the pavement or any of the other main 'crimes' that are always leveled at cyclists.
That is one of the reasons I think that other cyclists shouldn't do it. It might not be as dangerous as a car driver doing it, but it does nothing at all for the image of 'the cyclist'.
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