Cyclist ignores red light, gets hit, driver is prosecuted...

[Digby]

TheGreatSoprendo said:

That's a shocking piece of driving. There are some predicable but depressing displays of idiocy in the comments section too.

It is, but I wouldn't have been riding inches off the rider in front and would have performed probably three or four shoulder / life saver checks if I were that rider.

It seems (happy to admit I'm wrong) that the rider doesn't look once.

The full video which is slightly longer seems to show this.

Had this happened, the rider could have seen the bellend in the car and could have moved left, not taken a tumble and then rightly protested.

Why would you NOT check anything around you at a junction like that?

To save time...

NO. I'm not blaming the rider.
YES. The driver is 100% at fault

Again, I know drivers like this exist, so I would check for them over and over again - although turning your head when so close to another cyclist is also a bad idea, so maybe that's why the rider didn't look?

[Digby]

Pachydermus said:

Digby said:

I didn't claim I would never be hit at any junction. I didn't say it was your fault. Why make things up?

Digby said:

Why not assume someone is about to turn?

That's what I do. Never been knocked off in my life.

Digby said:

Who is more stupid? My wheel wouldn't have been clipped because

Right....sorry about this, but I'm missing the point again.

Where are the quotes saying I would never be knocked off at any junction?

Where are the quotes saying I blame you?

[Pachydermus]

Digby said:

Pachydermus said:

Digby said:

I didn't claim I would never be hit at any junction. I didn't say it was your fault. Why make things up?

Digby said:

Why not assume someone is about to turn?

That's what I do. Never been knocked off in my life.

Digby said:

Who is more stupid? My wheel wouldn't have been clipped because

Right....sorry about this, but I'm missing the point again.

Where are the quotes saying I would never be knocked off at any junction?

Where are the quotes saying I blame you?

just so we're clear then, you've never been knocked off except when you were knocked off and it's not my fault that I got taken out just that it would never have happened to you despite there being no video of the event for you to make that judgement and despite the fact that you've just posted that you've been taken out at a junction. Clear as mud.

[Digby]

Pachydermus said:

just so we're clear then, you've never been knocked off except when you were knocked off and it's not my fault that I got taken out just that it would never have happened to you despite there being no video of the event for you to make that judgement and despite the fact that you've just posted that you've been taken out at a junction. Clear as mud.

I was in a car when the van hit me. Assumption on your part again I'm afraid.

Why would it be your fault?

Re: the wheel clip, I was posting in relation to the posted car / bike clip; my wheel wouldn't have been hit and I wouldn't have crashed.

I said exactly this earlier and repeated "In this clip" and "In this scenario".

Go back and have a read, it's all there.

You are constantly making assumptions and suggesting things I have not said.

I'm not sure why this is the case or what you are hoping to achieve.

[Murph7355]

Pachydermus said:

idiots like that are the exception and generally not the type that's in the news after getting squashed.

In your experience.

Using London roads as both a driver (infrequently) and a pedestrian (often) I see that sort of behaviour daily. Yes, it's the minority of cyclists. But it is no "exception". And I doubt sufficient details are logged or even available to prove what %age of incidents are the fault of idiocy.

Pachydermus said:

...
yes, how dare they use YOUR road and YOUR cafe while wearing appropriate clothing for their activity.

And there you go into hysterical lycra boy mode

(a) that's not what I said.
(b) I'm not wholly convinced lycra on someone at 20st and 60yrs old IS appropriate clothing for ANY activity, let alone eating one's lunch amongst the general public! (Note the smiley please).

I have NO issue with cyclists using the road. Guess what - I own 2 bikes and cycle on roads. (Though not in lycra any more as at 16st and 47 it's not becoming). Mind you, the amount I have to pay in RFL each year I often think the a large number of car drivers should FRO and leave them to me too (Another smilie - the clue to me not really meaning this. Probably)

However, may I refer you to this:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/rules...

The Highway Codes said:

Rule 66

You should

• ...
• never ride more than two abreast, and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads and when riding round bends
• be considerate of other road users...

Possibly helps you understand what I was referring to? Then again, maybe not as it would seem only an exceptionally small number of cyclists are not beyond reproach

Incidentally, you could take nearly every line in the Highway Code and find examples of a reasonable number of cyclists NOT living by it in London. This is why the current rules on attribution of "fault" are, IMO, going to be hugely counterproductive. And will be a good part of the reason why cyclists receive such short shrift by a larger number of people than you (or even I) would like.

[Pachydermus]

Digby said:

Re: the wheel clip, I was posting in relation to the posted car / bike clip; my wheel wouldn't have been hit and I wouldn't have crashed.

you were replying to my post where I said my wheel was clipped. The guy in the video quite clearly doesn't have his wheel clipped as he slams into the side of the car.

Digby said:

You are constantly making assumptions and suggesting things I have not said.

you're constantly telling us how good you are and how it would never happen to you.. except that it has.

Digby said:

I'm not sure why this is the case or what you are hoping to achieve.

I'm not hoping to achieve anything but frustrated by the constant stream of bs you keep posting.

[Pachydermus]

Murph7355 said:

Pachydermus said:

idiots like that are the exception and generally not the type that's in the news after getting squashed.

In your experience.

yes, in my experience of riding into London for the past 15 years.

Murph7355 said:

However, may I refer you to this:

The Highway Codes said:

Rule 66

You should

yes, that's a should not a must just like drivers shouldn't let massive queues build up behind them but do anyway.

Murph7355 said:

Incidentally, you could take nearly every line in the Highway Code and find examples of a reasonable number of cyclists NOT living by it in London... And will be a good part of the reason why cyclists receive such short shrift by a larger number of people than you (or even I) would like.

and you'll find many more drivers not living by even more of those rules so why the hypocrisy?

[Digby]

Pachydermus said:

Digby said:

Re: the wheel clip, I was posting in relation to the posted car / bike clip; my wheel wouldn't have been hit and I wouldn't have crashed.

you were replying to my post where I said my wheel was clipped. The guy in the video quite clearly doesn't have his wheel clipped as he slams into the side of the car.

Digby said:

You are constantly making assumptions and suggesting things I have not said.

you're constantly telling us how good you are and how it would never happen to you.. except that it has.

Digby said:

I'm not sure why this is the case or what you are hoping to achieve.

I'm not hoping to achieve anything but frustrated by the constant stream of bs you keep posting.

I'll try and help you the best I can, because you seem to be getting confused.

You posted your wheel was clipped and I said...

"My wheel wouldn't have been clipped because, in the scenario shown above, I would have assumed I hadn't been seen and would have been almost stopped and crawling across the junction, waiting to see what was about to happen"

This is the important bit: IN THE SCENARIO SHOWN ABOVE. Again, I repeated several times "In this clip" etc.

You are wrong on this point, sorry.

I haven't constantly mentioned how good I am, so you are wrong on this point. I never said it would never happen to me, so you are wrong again. I said "You won't avoid all accidents, obviously" and suggested there are things outside of our control.

You are frustrated, obviously, because you are not reading or are selective reading.

I can't do anything about this other than keep quoting our posts over and over and over again showing you you are completely wrong.

[irocfan]

Cobnapint said:

Yet again, the motorist takes the blame.

If these had been both cars and the collision had occured, it would have been a slam dunk error on behalf of the red light jumper. But because one of them happened to have been on a bike and got hurt - the motorist collars driving without due care.

What are driver's supposed to do, keep looking left and right as we cross every junction on green fking light or what....?

dammit chap! You've got me agreeing with heebeegeetee on a fecking cycling thread! I hate you!

basically if you believe that every other road user is either a homicidal/suicidal tt you'll not go too far wrong

[heebeegeetee]

Murph7355 said:

Mind you, the amount I have to pay in RFL each year

Would you like to rethink that?

[Zigster]

Nanook said:

Zigster said:

If you're stinking of BO mid ride, you were probably stinking of BO before you started. People don't start stinking as soon as they start sweating.

So when you work out, get hot, sweaty, etc, you smell exactly the same?

I certainly don't. I shower at least twice a day, but I'm not afraid to say that after a good run I'll probably not smell quite as fresh.

People will start to smell eventually - this is true regardless of whether they are undertaking strenuous exercise or sitting on the sofa eating crisps and watching TV. My point is that they won't be smelly one or two hours into a ride when they stop for a coffee and cake.

You may have a particular BO issue that requires showering twice a day, but I suspect you're quite extreme.

Conversely, I did my local parkrun last Saturday and, because of having to then ferry kids around to sports clubs, I never got around to showering and simply forgot. On Sunday, I went out for a 3 hour ride with my cycling club. And when I got home I sat down and had brunch with my family. Nobody complained about the smell (and both my wife and my kids would have complained if there had been a problem). I did then shower, more than 48 hours after my last shower and more than 24 hours after getting very sweaty doing a 5km run.

[heebeegeetee]

Zigster said:

People will start to smell eventually - this is true regardless of whether they are undertaking strenuous exercise or sitting on the sofa eating crisps and watching TV. My point is that they won't be smelly one or two hours into a ride when they stop for a coffee and cake.

You may have a particular BO issue that requires showering twice a day, but I suspect you're quite extreme.

Conversely, I did my local parkrun last Saturday and, because of having to then ferry kids around to sports clubs, I never got around to showering and simply forgot. On Sunday, I went out for a 3 hour ride with my cycling club. And when I got home I sat down and had brunch with my family. Nobody complained about the smell (and both my wife and my kids would have complained if there had been a problem). I did then shower, more than 48 hours after my last shower and more than 24 hours after getting very sweaty doing a 5km run.

Is it not possible then for UK cyclists to cycle in ordinary clothes as millions do on the continent?

[DoubleD]

Mmmmm lovely

[irocfan]

Zigster said:

People will start to smell eventually - this is true regardless of whether they are undertaking strenuous exercise or sitting on the sofa eating crisps and watching TV. My point is that they won't be smelly one or two hours into a ride when they stop for a coffee and cake.

You may have a particular BO issue that requires showering twice a day, but I suspect you're quite extreme.

Conversely, I did my local parkrun last Saturday and, because of having to then ferry kids around to sports clubs, I never got around to showering and simply forgot. On Sunday, I went out for a 3 hour ride with my cycling club. And when I got home I sat down and had brunch with my family. Nobody complained about the smell (and both my wife and my kids would have complained if there had been a problem). I did then shower, more than 48 hours after my last shower and more than 24 hours after getting very sweaty doing a 5km run.

Smelly or not is pretty much irrelevant, it's just scummy/antisocial to sit on public seats if you're all sweaty

[heebeegeetee]

irocfan said:

Smelly or not is pretty much irrelevant, it's just scummy/antisocial to sit on public seats if you're all sweaty

You need to take it up with the cafe owner, get them to clear out all those cyclists, just for you. I'm sure that'll work for them.

[Murph7355]

heebeegeetee said:

Murph7355 said:

Mind you, the amount I have to pay in RFL each year

Would you like to rethink that?

Which bit? "have to"?

[heebeegeetee]

Murph7355 said:

Which bit? "have to"?

No, just the fact that it's impossible to pay a non existent tax.

Forgive me if I've missed something and need a whoosh parrot, but you've never paid a penny of road fund in your life, it simply doesn't exist.

[Dindoit]

Zigster said:

Conversely, I did my local parkrun last Saturday and, because of having to then ferry kids around to sports clubs, I never got around to showering and simply forgot. On Sunday, I went out for a 3 hour ride with my cycling club. And when I got home I sat down and had brunch with my family. Nobody complained about the smell (and both my wife and my kids would have complained if there had been a problem). I did then shower, more than 48 hours after my last shower and more than 24 hours after getting very sweaty doing a 5km run.

That's pretty grim tbh. Even if you (think) you didn't smell to others how could you stomach sitting in your own sweaty skin for so long?

[irocfan]

heebeegeetee said:

irocfan said:

Smelly or not is pretty much irrelevant, it's just scummy/antisocial to sit on public seats if you're all sweaty

You need to take it up with the cafe owner, get them to clear out all those cyclists, just for you. I'm sure that'll work for them.

Not really - there are just certain norms of behaviour one would expect decent people to observe. Not sitting your sweaty bits in an eatery (likewise clothing covered in filth/dust/dirt/baby sick etc) would be high on that list. Y'know thinking of others rather than being selfish

HTH

[Pachydermus]

irocfan said:

heebeegeetee said:

irocfan said:

Smelly or not is pretty much irrelevant, it's just scummy/antisocial to sit on public seats if you're all sweaty

You need to take it up with the cafe owner, get them to clear out all those cyclists, just for you. I'm sure that'll work for them.

Not really - there are just certain norms of behaviour one would expect decent people to observe. Not sitting your sweaty bits in an eatery (likewise clothing covered in filth/dust/dirt/baby sick etc) would be high on that list. Y'know thinking of others rather than being selfish

HTH

I dare say your lard arse is far more sweaty for having struggled all the way from your car to the door of the cafe than most cyclists after a 60 mile ride. What's your excuse then?