45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 2

[p1stonhead]

How generous is it of Trump that he isnt taking his Presidential salary guys? Amirite?!

So noble.

He does unfortunately go on holiday to Florida every weekend though on Air Force One along with the hundreds of people needed to go with him

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/paying-president-tr...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/u...

[Camoradi]

Donald Trump's comments have certainly got everyone talking about Sweden. If he had made an accurate but vague comment about issues in Sweden, it would probably have gone pretty much unremarked. As it is, I would estimate we have heard more mention about Sweden on the BBC in the last 24 hours than in the previous 2 years. Makes me wonder if it was intentional. Make an ambiguous / inaccurate comment about the issue you would like to raise attention to, sit back, and watch your critics spread the word for you.

[arfursleep]

Eric Mc said:

If there is a problem, it's Sweden's problem, not America's.

I still don't know what point he was supposed to be making.

He was, I believe, insinuating that high immigration of people with a particular culture and belief-set different to that of their host country could be detrimental to the social cohesion of said country if those immigrants fail or choose not to integrate. Therefore America should put some checks and balances in place to reduce said immigration and the potential lack of integration.

Possibly. It's hard to decipher sometimes.

[PurpleAki]

Disastrous said:

scherzkeks said:

You find it chaotic and disorganized because you were told that it is.

You really need to get past this and give people a little more credit for their ability to process information. It's severely limiting you and making you look foolish.

Good post.

[Murph7355]

Eric Mc said:

I'm trying to work out what Donald Trump's problem with Swedish immigration policy is - and what effect it has on American voters.

Why did he mention it at all (even if what he said was incoherent and inaccurate rubbish)?

What point was he trying to make.

Are you being serious Eric?

It would seem Trump saw an article on immigration in Sweden from "certain parts of the world" that indicated it was causing major issues. Ignore Trump for the moment and go look into that - it would seem there is perhaps some degree of truth in it. (Ignore also that Trump seems to be able to turn his fake-news-o-meter on and off when it suits - we're all like that really).

So, "free"/"loose" immigration is causing issues (allegedly maybe) in a country that I think many would see as peaceful and welcoming.

Trump was very clear in his election campaign that he felt immigration from "certain parts of the world" was an issue for the US. He signed an executive order to try and get control of it which has since been overturned (temporarily or otherwise). It would appear to me that the relevance of him bringing it up is to try to support his action by noting that "bad things" can and do happen if you are careless, even to countries that aren't seemingly the focus of ire from "certain parts of the world".

If I need a whoosh parrot, then fair enough. But is his approach really that hard to fathom?

[p1stonhead]

minimoog said:

Eric Mc said:

If there is a problem, it's Sweden's problem, not America's.

I still don't know what point he was supposed to be making.

Come on Eric that one's easy - he's saying 'we mustn't let that happen here'.

The fact that domestic gun crime by US nationals makes gang violence in Sweden look like a village fete tug-of-war is conveniently ignored of course.

559(!) killed by guns in February 2017 alone so far according to the below. and were only at the 20th of the month.

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/number-o...

2125 dead in the US so far this year. 81 children under 11 killed or injured.



BUT SWEDEN! SWEDENNNNNNN!

Edited by p1stonhead on Monday 20th February 09:34

[Bill]

Stickyfinger said:

Rather than post silly faces, why not try to discuss the points Finlandia (who I remind you lives there) has raised ?

Please, enlighten us with your deeper knowledge on the matter in relation to Sweden considering that is the subject raised by Trump thus On Topic.

It's not really on topic, is it. Trump mentioned "an attack" in Sweden "last night". There was no attack, so it's just more ill-informed bks from the Donald.

[minimoog]

Camoradi said:

Donald Trump's comments have certainly got everyone talking about Sweden. If he had made an accurate but vague comment about issues in Sweden, it would probably have gone pretty much unremarked. As it is, I would estimate we have heard more mention about Sweden on the BBC in the last 24 hours than in the previous 2 years. Makes me wonder if it was intentional. Make an ambiguous / inaccurate comment about the issue you would like to raise attention to, sit back, and watch your critics spread the word for you.

I take the point but it's hard to give him that much credit for cunning when he also comes out with cringeworthy gibberish like 'I’ve been briefed…and I can tell you one thing about a briefing that we’re allowed to say …because anybody who ever read the most basic book can say it…nuclear holocaust would be like no other.'

[Finlandia]

p1stonhead said:

You claim you are not part of the problem. Those who you think are the problem will probably claim the same.

The ones I think are the problem are criminals, and those who are responsible for the mess are the politicians, so you are likely to be right about your claim.

Even the politicians have woken up now though, for a year there has been ID checks for everyone passing from Denmark To Sweden, the minister in charge has been on a round trip to the 50+ trouble areas to get an idea, as he says, new laws are being passed to help tackle violent crime, more police will be put on the streets. Not sure where the money will come from though.

[Stickyfinger]

Bill said:

Stickyfinger said:

Rather than post silly faces, why not try to discuss the points Finlandia (who I remind you lives there) has raised ?

Please, enlighten us with your deeper knowledge on the matter in relation to Sweden considering that is the subject raised by Trump thus On Topic.

It's not really on topic, is it. Trump mentioned "an attack" in Sweden "last night". There was no attack, so it's just more ill-informed bks from the Donald.

I cannot really say it better than this so I will quote as a reply................"an attack" in Sweden "last night" , not accurate as a quote is it ?

Murph7355 said:

Are you being serious Eric?

It would seem Trump saw an article on immigration in Sweden from "certain parts of the world" that indicated it was causing major issues. Ignore Trump for the moment and go look into that - it would seem there is perhaps some degree of truth in it. (Ignore also that Trump seems to be able to turn his fake-news-o-meter on and off when it suits - we're all like that really).

So, "free"/"loose" immigration is causing issues (allegedly maybe) in a country that I think many would see as peaceful and welcoming.

Trump was very clear in his election campaign that he felt immigration from "certain parts of the world" was an issue for the US. He signed an executive order to try and get control of it which has since been overturned (temporarily or otherwise). It would appear to me that the relevance of him bringing it up is to try to support his action by noting that "bad things" can and do happen if you are careless, even to countries that aren't seemingly the focus of ire from "certain parts of the world".

If I need a whoosh parrot, then fair enough. But is his approach really that hard to fathom?

Edited by Stickyfinger on Monday 20th February 09:34

[FredClogs]

Good to see trump out to cure the world of fake news.

Attack in Sweden my eye.

Hypernormalisation people. He learnt it from the Russians. You cant say you weren't warned.

[Finlandia]

Eric Mc said:

Finlandia said:

I am indeed not a part of the problem.

Ah - you're obviously one of the "good" immigrants. There must be some.

Funny how people always make exceptions for themselves.

Are you a good or bad immigrant to the UK?

[greygoose]

p1stonhead said:

minimoog said:

Eric Mc said:

If there is a problem, it's Sweden's problem, not America's.

I still don't know what point he was supposed to be making.

Come on Eric that one's easy - he's saying 'we mustn't let that happen here'.

The fact that domestic gun crime by US nationals makes gang violence in Sweden look like a village fete tug-of-war is conveniently ignored of course.

559(!) killed by guns in February 2017 alone so far according to the below. and were only at the 20th of the month.

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/number-o...

BUT SWEDEN! SWEDENNNNNNN!

Donald won't want to upset the NRA by saying anything about that, it's only foreigners who have problems with violence.

[PurpleAki]

Eric Mc said:

Funny how people always make exceptions for themselves.

You do it all the time. You're always telling people how to post, to stay on topic etc as you march on determinedly to your 100,000 post goal...

[Camoradi]

minimoog said:

I take the point but it's hard to give him that much credit for cunning when he also comes out with cringeworthy gibberish like 'I’ve been briefed…and I can tell you one thing about a briefing that we’re allowed to say …because anybody who ever read the most basic book can say it…nuclear holocaust would be like no other.'

Agreed, I'm not sure I would give him personal credit for playing the media like that either, but I'm guessing he has a whole team of people capable of all sorts of media manipulation. They managed to get him into the White House.

[tommunster10]

Is the same criminal act worse because someone is foreign?
And if so is it because it's like say "well if they weren't here then this wouldn't have happened".

Genuine question.

Anyway Donald Trump actually said he would "END CRIME." So no of this matters as he can and will end any criminal acts.....

[Murph7355]

Greg66 said:

What a HUGE surprise!

Another evening, and once more the supposed "I don't support Trump/I didn't vote for Trump/idont't even like Trump but look at the alternative/Trump is SO FUNNY" posters have dragged the thread backwards and forwards through their very own cocktail of liquid st bhing and whining about anyone who doesn't share their views.

Is this the new tactic? Don't even try to address the criticisms, because it's too hard? Just shout them down?

You don't appear to be immune to this...

Greg66 said:

How does anyone think it is just fine for the leader of the biggest western economy and military to - at best - be so incompetent that he can't keep facts straight in his head for the 30 minutes between he is briefed before a speech and the time when the words actually leave his mouth, or at worst simply make things up to advance his agenda.

His comment about Sweden was unreal. These are coming too thick and fast now to be explicable as accidents. Either he is serially incompetent or a serial liar.

Oh, I forgot. Hahahaha. It's so entertaining. I'm in hysterics. It's doesn't matter. He's a long way away. It's good that he speaks his mind [sic]. He's refreshing. He a businessman not a politician so it doesn't matter, or it's to be expected, or something. Hahahaha.

With these and half a dozen subsequent posts you don't half sound like you're getting hysterical (not in the funny sense).

Just above yours was a reference to Trump's "explanation" on the Sweden comment. Maybe I'm too soft but on the face of it, it strikes me as being as feasible as it does not being...if he'd said "On the news last night I saw that Sweden is struggling with immigration" would there be any issues?

Should he be more careful with his words? Probably...although there is an argument to suggest that what the modern political elite say is so manicured that it's actual meaning and importance is lost too. Which is worse I'm not sure yet.

You criticise people who don't address the "criticism", but you're so dismissive of it that there seems little point in anyone responding to you at all.

btw, no need for quotes. I am not a Trump "supporter". I have no real skin in the game of US politics outside of the tangential impacts it has on the UK (which frankly, thus far, seem way more positive than the previous US administration). I find the whole situation very, very interesting and the way people are reacting to things they don't like particularly so. I also believe that people need to be judged on outcomes. And it's way too soon to be getting hysterical over what he's currently doing.

[Bill]

Stickyfinger said:

I cannot really say it better than this so I will quote as a reply................"an attack" in Sweden "last night" , not accurate as a quote is it ?

No. Not remotely.

[Murph7355]

p1stonhead said:

559(!) killed by guns in February 2017 alone so far according to the below. and were only at the 20th of the month.

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/number-o...

2125 dead in the US so far this year. 81 children under 11 killed or injured.
...
BUT SWEDEN! SWEDENNNNNNN!
...

Immigration control and gun control are two separate issues (until immigrants get guns I suppose ).

Sadly (IMO) Trump is very big on their 2nd Amendment. He was voted in as President which would suggest that enough people also support the 2nd Amendment, or don't care sufficiently against it.

He seems to believe that there is enough legislation in place already to deal with the issues of access to firearms. The stats suggest something different...but then stats can say what you want them to.

[tommunster10]

Problem i see is that if there is a crime and you say "that is shocking".
But then there is a crime in your country by a foreign person and you say "that is shocking, they shouldn't even of been allowed here!"
That is a bit xenophobic / racist.

Crime is crime and did the Brits like being judged by a few bad eggs every time England played in Euro and World cups? I have German friends who don't live in the UK who still see the English as thugs. I tell them they are wrong and actually fallen out with a few of them over it.