45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 2
Discussion
5ohmustang said:
I do not worship the state. I am not blind to the evil that has been perpetrated for the "greater good." I do not like Republicans, but they are the lesser of two evils. The Democrats are repulsive, bat s
t crazy mentalists.
What makes you think they are batst crazy mentalists.t mental?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-paa3wwGWww
Eric Mc said:
It's one great strength is its underlying democratic values and its overall support for the organs that make democracy work.
My main concern for the US at the moment is that Trump is on a mission to undermine and probably irredeemably damage those democratic institutions,. His single most obvious message is -
I tink Trump is just a symptom, the US system is fMy main concern for the US at the moment is that Trump is on a mission to undermine and probably irredeemably damage those democratic institutions,. His single most obvious message is -
ked, money rules all, the big two gangs are untouchable in congress, and the constitution is treated like a holy book. Trump has swooped in and shown all of this. The one best thing he said I liked, that stood out was the limited term for congress, which was quickly stepped on by Ryan and the Turtle.Nanook said:
scherzkeks said:
Not at the rate of gravity; the object encounters resistance, unless of course the matter providing that resistance is eliminated.
Very nearly at the rate of gravity, because the structure is weakened and the resistance is low.Think back to the idiotically simple example I gave you. Actually think about it, objectively, instead of repeating what you've read.
Best to move away from flawed examples and back to reality. The building involved had multiple supporting structures in various locations that all had to give way at exactly the same time in order to induce a FF collapse.
In the case of B7, 58 perimiter columns and 25 core columns. Otherwise, the collapse slows considerably.
scherzkeks said:
Visit A&E. No conspiracy theories. The building fell at about the rate of gravity, near perfect freefall. The question is how. NIST has also acknowledge it, after first trying to deny it. Once you understand what is required for a skyscraper to fall at the rate of gravity (encountering virtually no resistance), the need for an investigation is self-evident.
Just in case you missed it on the first pass: Greg66 said:
I can't believe I'm sticking me head down this particular rabbit hole, and yes I know it's OT, but sometimes an itcAh needs to be scratched.
Can one of the adherents explain to me, in one or two sentences, this: if WTC7 was brought down by explosives and not the collapse of the two main towers, why was it demolished? The motive to demolish it seems to be completely absent from the conspiracy theories.
You say the question is "how did it fall at the rate of gravity, but it seems obvious that that's not your real question: you think you know the answer to that question - controlled demolition. Can one of the adherents explain to me, in one or two sentences, this: if WTC7 was brought down by explosives and not the collapse of the two main towers, why was it demolished? The motive to demolish it seems to be completely absent from the conspiracy theories.
So what's the answer to my question?
scherzkeks said:
5ohmustang said:
desolate said:
I'll happily answer any question that I feel qualified to.
What about building 7?https://www.nist.gov/el/faqs-nist-wtc-7-investigat...
11. In a video, it appears that WTC 7 is descending in free fall, something that would not occur in the structural collapse that you describe. How can NIST ignore basic laws of physics?
In the draft WTC 7 report (released Aug. 21, 2008; available at http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/wtc_dra... NIST stated that the north face of the building descended 18 stories (the portion of the collapse visible in the video) in 5.4 seconds, based on video analysis of the building collapse. This time period is 40 percent longer than the 3.9 seconds this process would have taken if the north face of the building had descended solely under free fall conditions. During the public comment period on the draft report, NIST was asked to confirm this time difference and define the reasons for it in greater detail.
To further clarify the descent of the north face, NIST recorded the downward displacement of a point near the center of the roofline from first movement until the north face was no longer visible in the video. Numerical analyses were conducted to calculate the velocity and acceleration of the roofline point from the time-dependent displacement data. The instant at which vertical motion of the roofline first occurred was determined by tracking the numerical value of the brightness of a pixel (a single element in the video image) at the roofline. This pixel became brighter as the roofline began to descend because the color of the pixel started to change from that of the building façade to the lighter color of the sky.
The approach taken by NIST is summarized in NIST NCSTAR Report 1A, Section 3.6, and detailed in NIST NCSTAR Report 1-9, Section 12.5.3.
The analyses of the video (both the estimation of the instant the roofline began to descend and the calculated velocity and acceleration of a point on the roofline) revealed three distinct stages characterizing the 5.4 seconds of collapse:
Stage 1 (0 to 1.75 seconds): acceleration less than that of gravity (i.e., slower than free fall).
Stage 2 (1.75 to 4.0 seconds): gravitational acceleration (free fall)
Stage 3 (4.0 to 5.4 seconds): decreased acceleration, again less than that of gravity
This analysis showed that the 40 percent longer descent time—compared to the 3.9 second free fall time—was due primarily to Stage 1, which corresponded to the buckling of the exterior columns in the lower stories of the north face. During Stage 2, the north face descended essentially in free fall, indicating negligible support from the structure below. This is consistent with the structural analysis model, which showed the exterior columns buckling and losing their capacity to support the loads from the structure above. In Stage 3, the acceleration decreased as the upper portion of the north face encountered increased resistance from the collapsed structure and the debris pile below.
No free-fall at the rate of gravity, whatever that is.
Halmyre said:
Stage 2 (1.75 to 4.0 seconds): gravitational acceleration (free fall)
No free-fall at the rate of gravity, whatever that is.
The text book value is approx 9.8 m/s^2.No free-fall at the rate of gravity, whatever that is.
Anyway, those two claims appear to be incompatible. See Stage 2.
That's just from the post, not a comment on 7.
Halmyre said:
scherzkeks said:
5ohmustang said:
desolate said:
I'll happily answer any question that I feel qualified to.
What about building 7?NIST altered their model so that they did not have to change their total calculated collapse time. The point at which the building starts to collapse is the disagreement between NIST and A&E (mentioned previously). There is a long piece that discusses NISTS fraudulent (A&E's description) approach on the site. Well worth a read. Understanding the terminology would also be good.
turbobloke said:
Halmyre said:
Stage 2 (1.75 to 4.0 seconds): gravitational acceleration (free fall)
No free-fall at the rate of gravity, whatever that is.
Yhe text book value is approx 9.8 m/s^2.No free-fall at the rate of gravity, whatever that is.
Anyway, those two claims appear to be incompatible. See Stage 2.
5ohmustang said:
Cue the music, and before you say Bruce Springsteen's a liberal, I am fully aware.
https://youtu.be/IrxKkELQJiQ
I have been in the U.S. for approximately 10 years. Yes I do love the US as much as I make out. I do not disagree in that, yes there are problems, however the pros heavily outweigh the cons.
I have always been fascinated by American culture. I do not mean the pop or Hollywood culture, but the Americana aspect.
By that I mean muscle cars, trucks, guns, the survival/homestead movement, the vast expanses of scarlet populated land, the outdoors, food, etc.
I love the old America and it's history. From its first inception to the 90s. Listening to the stories of the older generations and how they got by in hard times.
Meeting car enthusiasts and listening to their individual stories of the car culture from times past. I've met fellow muscle car owners to pick up parts, we get talking and end up staying up all night talking about cars.
I talk to a lot of people when I go out. I am an introvert and like to keep myself to myself. However when I interact with people and they hear the accent. They want to talk and talk. I went to home depot tonight to look for some bolts, I got in a half hour conversation with a stranger. People are very friendly.
It is so very different to what I was used to. I got tired of pubs and clubs. Waiting in Piccadilly gardens to get the 135 home as some poor kid gets glassed in the face or watch some guy puke up everywhere or watch a comatosed girl with her knickers around her ankles piss herself on canal Street. I am not saying this is the standard British life, we know it is not. However that's what I saw a lot of. I was totally disillusioned of what society chose the mould I should fit into. I never liked soccer, never a big drinker, it always rained, crime was bad, petrol too expensive, houses too expensive and small. However the choice in cars other than American cars is fantastic.
I am not trying to offend anyone and say my way of life is better than yours. I choose my path because it is how I wanted to life. However I will say living in debt, paying all your monthly salary to survive is not how humans were ment to live.
I never wanted to be the typical brit going to the tourist hotspots, CA,FL and NY.
I wanted to go to blue collar, gritty, blood and guts America. So I went to Alabama.
No I have not lost my British accent at all, however my vocab has changed and genuinely use Americanisms. Now when someone in here is being a tosser, I'll admit I overuse them. However in order to live here you have to adapt your vocab, otherwise no one will have a clue of what I am trying to say. My wife is American from Alabama, I have always loved American accents, the novelty of hearing my wife talk has not worn off. Nor is she obese or overweight Nanook.
I do not hate the UK, it's people or lifestyle. It just did not mesh well with me. I have always felt an outsider. I could not afford the lifestyle I have, having said that I live frugally. The UK has it pros but for me they did not outweigh the cons.
Being 10 years older now, I feel I would have found a level of happiness and satisfaction if I stayed in the UK, but it was always a dream to be here, something I never thought possible.
Both countries have great people and dick heads. I do not feel coming to the US on holiday, watching YouTube or reading books can give people a true understanding. I am sure many Brits have come here, didn't like it and returned, fair play.
I have been told by Americans I am more patriotic and Americanized than most Americans they know. While I joke on here about eating the freedom fries and all that, I am not a blind patriot.
As in Billy Joel's song Allentown "But something happened on the way to that place, They threw an American flag in our face."
I do not worship the state. I am not blind to the evil that has been perpetrated for the "greater good." I do not like Republicans, but they are the lesser of two evils. The Democrats are repulsive, bat st crazy mentalists.
All media is biased to a certain degree. As individuals we the end user should decide what media we choose to listen to and what to filter out, that is not the job of a governing body to decide. CNN is fake news, however I respect their right to exist and pump out what ever crap they want.
When one media outlet is censored then so will the rest.
When you change any amendment in the Constitution then it will happen to the rest, therefore no quarter.
People on here can call me traitor and all the other names, in case no one noticed, I don't give a st. My life would not have planned out the way it has if I did not make the decisions I did.
I believe as it is the responsibility of a naturalized immigrant to assimilate of their new adopted country. Let's say I went to Japan, I am going to learn and practice their customs. Continue their traditions and uphold their values. Buy and drive Japanese vehicles, maybe even listen to Eurobeat etc.
Whatever the country I am naturalized to I will adapt to their way.
Religion is different, that's the individuals right to choose, I don't care. I do care when that said religion practices hate and terror.
I am an atheist. I used to be a militant atheist. Living in Alabama I have seen it all. I have spent a lot of time around Baptists, Evangelicals and non denominational. My wife is athiest. Her parents are Baptists. It is their way of life.
I've been to black revivals and to church of Christ (speaking in tongues.) The Benny Hinn level of wtf is going on with these people.
I've been accused of being the anti Christ and I have been told I am angel from heaven.
As long as these people are not harming others let them believe what they want. When an ideology clearly tells it's followers repeatedly to slay infidels that is not cool with me.
The Confederate flag is not a symbol of racism. The media has spread that lie.
I have never ever witnessed white supremacy, white privilege, gender inequality and all the other nonsense.
I see more hatred between mustang and camaro owners than I see with different races.
This is not the 19th century anymore.
Going back to the question. Everybody has different goals and reasons for what drives them in life. I am simply fascinated with Americana and alternative living. We all have different interests and do not have to agree with each other to coexist.
https://youtu.be/p8_FOQ7-P30
well done for getting exactly where you want to be in life. you sound like you are having a ball. i have a very good friend that now lives in the states and some aspects of what you say remind me of him. he was big american sports fan, used to referee ice hockey in the uk and worked his absolute bhttps://youtu.be/IrxKkELQJiQ
I have been in the U.S. for approximately 10 years. Yes I do love the US as much as I make out. I do not disagree in that, yes there are problems, however the pros heavily outweigh the cons.
I have always been fascinated by American culture. I do not mean the pop or Hollywood culture, but the Americana aspect.
By that I mean muscle cars, trucks, guns, the survival/homestead movement, the vast expanses of scarlet populated land, the outdoors, food, etc.
I love the old America and it's history. From its first inception to the 90s. Listening to the stories of the older generations and how they got by in hard times.
Meeting car enthusiasts and listening to their individual stories of the car culture from times past. I've met fellow muscle car owners to pick up parts, we get talking and end up staying up all night talking about cars.
I talk to a lot of people when I go out. I am an introvert and like to keep myself to myself. However when I interact with people and they hear the accent. They want to talk and talk. I went to home depot tonight to look for some bolts, I got in a half hour conversation with a stranger. People are very friendly.
It is so very different to what I was used to. I got tired of pubs and clubs. Waiting in Piccadilly gardens to get the 135 home as some poor kid gets glassed in the face or watch some guy puke up everywhere or watch a comatosed girl with her knickers around her ankles piss herself on canal Street. I am not saying this is the standard British life, we know it is not. However that's what I saw a lot of. I was totally disillusioned of what society chose the mould I should fit into. I never liked soccer, never a big drinker, it always rained, crime was bad, petrol too expensive, houses too expensive and small. However the choice in cars other than American cars is fantastic.
I am not trying to offend anyone and say my way of life is better than yours. I choose my path because it is how I wanted to life. However I will say living in debt, paying all your monthly salary to survive is not how humans were ment to live.
I never wanted to be the typical brit going to the tourist hotspots, CA,FL and NY.
I wanted to go to blue collar, gritty, blood and guts America. So I went to Alabama.
No I have not lost my British accent at all, however my vocab has changed and genuinely use Americanisms. Now when someone in here is being a tosser, I'll admit I overuse them. However in order to live here you have to adapt your vocab, otherwise no one will have a clue of what I am trying to say. My wife is American from Alabama, I have always loved American accents, the novelty of hearing my wife talk has not worn off. Nor is she obese or overweight Nanook.
I do not hate the UK, it's people or lifestyle. It just did not mesh well with me. I have always felt an outsider. I could not afford the lifestyle I have, having said that I live frugally. The UK has it pros but for me they did not outweigh the cons.
Being 10 years older now, I feel I would have found a level of happiness and satisfaction if I stayed in the UK, but it was always a dream to be here, something I never thought possible.
Both countries have great people and dick heads. I do not feel coming to the US on holiday, watching YouTube or reading books can give people a true understanding. I am sure many Brits have come here, didn't like it and returned, fair play.
I have been told by Americans I am more patriotic and Americanized than most Americans they know. While I joke on here about eating the freedom fries and all that, I am not a blind patriot.
As in Billy Joel's song Allentown "But something happened on the way to that place, They threw an American flag in our face."
I do not worship the state. I am not blind to the evil that has been perpetrated for the "greater good." I do not like Republicans, but they are the lesser of two evils. The Democrats are repulsive, bat s
t crazy mentalists.All media is biased to a certain degree. As individuals we the end user should decide what media we choose to listen to and what to filter out, that is not the job of a governing body to decide. CNN is fake news, however I respect their right to exist and pump out what ever crap they want.
When one media outlet is censored then so will the rest.
When you change any amendment in the Constitution then it will happen to the rest, therefore no quarter.
People on here can call me traitor and all the other names, in case no one noticed, I don't give a s
t. My life would not have planned out the way it has if I did not make the decisions I did.I believe as it is the responsibility of a naturalized immigrant to assimilate of their new adopted country. Let's say I went to Japan, I am going to learn and practice their customs. Continue their traditions and uphold their values. Buy and drive Japanese vehicles, maybe even listen to Eurobeat etc.
Whatever the country I am naturalized to I will adapt to their way.
Religion is different, that's the individuals right to choose, I don't care. I do care when that said religion practices hate and terror.
I am an atheist. I used to be a militant atheist. Living in Alabama I have seen it all. I have spent a lot of time around Baptists, Evangelicals and non denominational. My wife is athiest. Her parents are Baptists. It is their way of life.
I've been to black revivals and to church of Christ (speaking in tongues.) The Benny Hinn level of wtf is going on with these people.
I've been accused of being the anti Christ and I have been told I am angel from heaven.
As long as these people are not harming others let them believe what they want. When an ideology clearly tells it's followers repeatedly to slay infidels that is not cool with me.
The Confederate flag is not a symbol of racism. The media has spread that lie.
I have never ever witnessed white supremacy, white privilege, gender inequality and all the other nonsense.
I see more hatred between mustang and camaro owners than I see with different races.
This is not the 19th century anymore.
Going back to the question. Everybody has different goals and reasons for what drives them in life. I am simply fascinated with Americana and alternative living. We all have different interests and do not have to agree with each other to coexist.
https://youtu.be/p8_FOQ7-P30
ks off to get to a position where an american company offered him a job in an industry that employs tens if not hundreds of thousands, yet was still able to correctly claim there was no one in america that could bring what he did.he too is having the time of his life.
5ohmustang said:
Stuff
First, hats off for both recognising what you want out of life and much more importantly having the balls to get off your arse (ass?) and make it happen. Very few people do that; very many stay sitting in their rut complaining about life. Secondly, as others have said, you'll find your posts get much more traction if you drop the "Yee-haw I'm on the mini gun hanging out of a Huey ripping up the towelheads" routine. Why lose what might be a perfectly reasonable pov/message in a cloud of hyperbole?
Thirdly, hats off to turbs for using this as an opportunity to claim he knew this all along but just decided to keep really really quiet about it. Amazing how he uses a post about you to big himself up *and* belittle others! Most impressive work. Shame no references to the green blob, Billary, the BBC or left-illiberals, but I suppose it's still early in the day.
I am still confused how some people can be so anti establishment anti power anti state control anti whatever, but then pile full on into movements which are actually just the other side to the coin they say is trying to control them.
Is it that deep down we want/need control? Even though we may appear to be fighting against it?
Calling people out as getting blindly shafted by previous governments, people in power, but then yourself blindly following and preaching the mantra of a new set of governments and people in power can't really be the answer can it?
The people who put all their trust in say Corbyn or Trump are no less stupid to me as the people who were championing Hilary, or Obama or Cameron or Blair etc etc.
Is it that deep down we want/need control? Even though we may appear to be fighting against it?
Calling people out as getting blindly shafted by previous governments, people in power, but then yourself blindly following and preaching the mantra of a new set of governments and people in power can't really be the answer can it?
The people who put all their trust in say Corbyn or Trump are no less stupid to me as the people who were championing Hilary, or Obama or Cameron or Blair etc etc.
Nanook said:
tommunster10 said:
I am still confused how some people can be so anti establishment anti power anti state control anti whatever, but then pile full on into movements which are actually just the other side to the coin they say is trying to control them.
Is it that deep down we want/need control? Even though we may appear to be fighting against it?
Calling people out as getting blindly shafted by previous governments, people in power, but then yourself blindly following and preaching the mantra of a new set of governments and people in power can't really be the answer can it?
The people who put all their trust in say Corbyn or Trump are no less stupid to me as the people who were championing Hilary, or Obama or Cameron or Blair etc etc.
I know a guy that claims to be an anarchist.Is it that deep down we want/need control? Even though we may appear to be fighting against it?
Calling people out as getting blindly shafted by previous governments, people in power, but then yourself blindly following and preaching the mantra of a new set of governments and people in power can't really be the answer can it?
The people who put all their trust in say Corbyn or Trump are no less stupid to me as the people who were championing Hilary, or Obama or Cameron or Blair etc etc.
Has never voted, doesn't believe in central government, has been known to go on about 'freeman of the land' nonsense.
Quite happy to collect his benefits for his many children though.
Trump got many of the American equivalents (down trodden poor) to vote for him by promising them jobs and a future and to fight the elite and the establishment...he like many before won't deliver on that though IMO. I hope i'm wrong, but like Crime and ISIS Trump won't put an end to poverty and people getting down trodden by the elite etc.
If he does any of those three he isn't the President...he's batman.
PurpleAki said:
thatsprettyshady said:
5ohmustang said:
Stuff
Great post. TheExcession said:
unrepentant said:
11,000,000 mostly law abiding decent people now live in fear of a knock on the door and millions of others fear that they will be subject to harassment.
unrepentant said:
Meanwhile Trump spends half the week golfing at his Florida hotel (at a cost of $3 million a pop to us) each week and the citizens of NYC pay $1 million a week so his wife can live in their apartment.
President Bannon and his small handed puppet are going to leave a big mess in 6 months or a year or 2 or 4 or whenever this debacle ends.
Unrep, you've got balls turning up back on these threads with your wise man's views. President Bannon and his small handed puppet are going to leave a big mess in 6 months or a year or 2 or 4 or whenever this debacle ends.
You do remember that so far you've got everything wrong? Right?
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