45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 2

45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 2

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Efbe

9,251 posts

165 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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AreOut said:
I guess he has to satisfy military industry complex somehow, it's always better to increase/advance nuclear arsenal because ultimately it will lead to less wars/deaths around the world compared to other options on the table
to be fair, not a bad point. but why not just *pretend* to have nukes. it's not like they are actually going to get used.

Or maybe they are doing. I certainly can't imagine the Russians can afford to be building the numbers Trump has claimed.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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Funkycoldribena said:
Surely a certain amount is enough? Whats the optimum number for destroying literally everything?
I've just been trying to work that out. 17.1 m kmsq in Russia. Say 6800 warheads means each has to cover a 28km radius circle to cover the lot (ignore that circles don't pack together like straight line shapes). You're not looking at total destruction over thar sort of area from a nuke, but you could be looking at second degree burns out that far. It all depends on the size of the nuke, and I can't find an average Mtonnage for US nukes.

But then a lot of Russia is empty, so carpet nuking it would be a bit OTT.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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And here's a Spicer one: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/26/spicer-...

From Fox News, so you know it's true.

In an effort to stem leaks, the first line of attack is a search of WH staffers Govt issued AND private phones to check for contact with journos.

Apps like Confide - never heard of it - that delete texts after they've been sent and don't allow them to be screen shot are now outlawed. And to show how seriously this is being taken, Spicer even deleted Confide from his own phone.

Err, what was it doing there in the first place, Sean?

Tryke3

1,609 posts

93 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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This Russia thing is not going away, they will all go jail for it

5ohmustang

2,755 posts

114 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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Greg66 said:
And here's a Spicer one: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/26/spicer-...

From Fox News, so you know it's true.

In an effort to stem leaks, the first line of attack is a search of WH staffers Govt issued AND private phones to check for contact with journos.

Apps like Confide - never heard of it - that delete texts after they've been sent and don't allow them to be screen shot are now outlawed. And to show how seriously this is being taken, Spicer even deleted Confide from his own phone.

Err, what was it doing there in the first place, Sean?
LoveNukesHate

p1stonhead

25,489 posts

166 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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Greg66 said:
And here's a Spicer one: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/26/spicer-...

From Fox News, so you know it's true.

In an effort to stem leaks, the first line of attack is a search of WH staffers Govt issued AND private phones to check for contact with journos.

Apps like Confide - never heard of it - that delete texts after they've been sent and don't allow them to be screen shot are now outlawed. And to show how seriously this is being taken, Spicer even deleted Confide from his own phone.

Err, what was it doing there in the first place, Sean?
The best part is that the 'dont leak things' meeting, was leaked immediately laugh

JagLover

42,262 posts

234 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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Eric Mc said:
SKP555 said:
Alpinestars said:
And Trump's output has been?
Like it or not Trump is the President of the US. He is the news.

Holding him to account and asking difficult questions is part of the medias role, crusading against him because you disagree with his policies is also legitimate but he doesn't have to give them a platform to do so. Not even if some people believe the BBC is good.
The BBC is not really of concern to him, although Brits might get in a bit of a tizz about it. It's the large US news corporations that will be seething about his attitude and his actions - and he makes enemies of them at his peril.
It is this attitude that is a large part of the problem with modern politics.

Politicians should fear the people not the news corporations. The media do indeed have a very important role to play in a properly functioning democracy and that role is as impartial reporters of the facts.


968

11,945 posts

247 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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JagLover said:
Eric Mc said:
SKP555 said:
Alpinestars said:
And Trump's output has been?
Like it or not Trump is the President of the US. He is the news.

Holding him to account and asking difficult questions is part of the medias role, crusading against him because you disagree with his policies is also legitimate but he doesn't have to give them a platform to do so. Not even if some people believe the BBC is good.
The BBC is not really of concern to him, although Brits might get in a bit of a tizz about it. It's the large US news corporations that will be seething about his attitude and his actions - and he makes enemies of them at his peril.
It is this attitude that is a large part of the problem with modern politics.

Politicians should fear the people not the news corporations. The media do indeed have a very important role to play in a properly functioning democracy and that role is as impartial reporters of the facts.
Yes and they are absolutely right to fact check the stream of falsehoods that Trump has come out with since his election and previously. If they simply fawned over him, as many here seem to want, they would face a Putin like autocracy. Excluding the media is a ridiculous tactic as it demonstrates they are correct as he has something to hide from them. It's petulant and silly but that's de rigeur for Trump.

jmorgan

36,010 posts

283 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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Greg66 said:
And here's a Spicer one: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/26/spicer-...

From Fox News, so you know it's true.

In an effort to stem leaks, the first line of attack is a search of WH staffers Govt issued AND private phones to check for contact with journos.

Apps like Confide - never heard of it - that delete texts after they've been sent and don't allow them to be screen shot are now outlawed. And to show how seriously this is being taken, Spicer even deleted Confide from his own phone.

Err, what was it doing there in the first place, Sean?
Fox News site says CNN first run this.

I would do this in Caps.

Fake news....... silly


Great work place feeling BTW.

Edit. CNN giving credit to politico for first story. Fox not doing their job?

Oh what a tangled web, can't trust any of them..


Edit
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/sean-spicer-...
Edited by jmorgan on Monday 27th February 08:00


Edited by jmorgan on Monday 27th February 08:43

pinchmeimdreamin

9,831 posts

217 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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5ohmustang said:
LoveNukesHate
Micelovecheese

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

243 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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pinchmeimdreamin said:
5ohmustang said:
LoveNukesHate
Micelovecheese
Fakelovesnews

Balmoral

40,659 posts

247 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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I had a really weird dream last night. Me and the BBC accidentally kidnapped Trump, it involved John Soper, the virgin Connie Swail, Nazi memorabilia, the Lanchester, Sprite and Ami from the Top Gear Majorca classic car rally, Cheerleaders, RV's, New England car ferries and a safe house on a rock by the beach. I also vaguely remember wet socks and communicating with the authorities via an Amazon Kindle. I think I need to write it up into a screenplay.

Europa1

10,923 posts

187 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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Balmoral said:
I had a really weird dream last night. Me and the BBC accidentally kidnapped Trump, it involved John Soper, the virgin Connie Swail, Nazi memorabilia, the Lanchester, Sprite and Ami from the Top Gear Majorca classic car rally, Cheerleaders, RV's, New England car ferries and a safe house on a rock by the beach. I also vaguely remember wet socks and communicating with the authorities via an Amazon Kindle. I think I need to write it up into a screenplay.
...and lay off the cheese?

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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Sounds like this film...


XM5ER

5,087 posts

247 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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JagLover said:
Eric Mc said:
SKP555 said:
Alpinestars said:
And Trump's output has been?
Like it or not Trump is the President of the US. He is the news.

Holding him to account and asking difficult questions is part of the medias role, crusading against him because you disagree with his policies is also legitimate but he doesn't have to give them a platform to do so. Not even if some people believe the BBC is good.
The BBC is not really of concern to him, although Brits might get in a bit of a tizz about it. It's the large US news corporations that will be seething about his attitude and his actions - and he makes enemies of them at his peril.
It is this attitude that is a large part of the problem with modern politics.

Politicians should fear the people not the news corporations. The media do indeed have a very important role to play in a properly functioning democracy and that role is as impartial reporters of the facts.
Absolutely.

However, when has that actually happened? Has there ever been a golden age of the impartial "just the facts" media? I'm reminded of the fact that on the eve of WW1 the Daily mail ran pictures of a Russian pogrom as evidence of German atrocities during the "Rape of Belgium".

hairykrishna

13,158 posts

202 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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Funkycoldribena said:
Surely a certain amount is enough? Whats the optimum number for destroying literally everything?
Cold war doctrine was that you needed an overwhelming large amount, distributed over a wide area with a variety of delivery mechanisms. It meant that even if you lost a significant fraction of them in a surprise first strike then you still had enough to annihilate the opposition.

I think much more dangerous than the strategic weapons is recent murmuring about making some small, 'next generation', nukes optimised for low fallout. These would make very nice 'bunker busters' and might actually get used. Not a good line to cross.

JagLover

42,262 posts

234 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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XM5ER said:
Absolutely.

However, when has that actually happened? Has there ever been a golden age of the impartial "just the facts" media? I'm reminded of the fact that on the eve of WW1 the Daily mail ran pictures of a Russian pogrom as evidence of German atrocities during the "Rape of Belgium".
Well an estimated 6,000 Belgium civilians were killed directly by the German army (rather than died through exposure or otherwise as a result of the war) so there was an underlying, albeit probably unphotographed at that stage, story.

But yes media by its very nature has an element of bias, however in the modern age the line between comment and opinion has become ever more blurred.

XM5ER

5,087 posts

247 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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JagLover said:
XM5ER said:
Absolutely.

However, when has that actually happened? Has there ever been a golden age of the impartial "just the facts" media? I'm reminded of the fact that on the eve of WW1 the Daily mail ran pictures of a Russian pogrom as evidence of during the "Rape of Belgium".
Well an estimated 6,000 Belgium civilians were killed directly by the German army (rather than died through exposure or otherwise as a result of the war) so there was an underlying, albeit probably unphotographed at that stage, story.

But yes media by its very nature has an element of bias, however in the modern age the line between comment and opinion has become ever more blurred.
I'm not disputing the fact that the Germans committed atrocities, they did. But should we have unfriended the Russians for their atrocities? The point is, the press has followed an agenda for a long time and that is not necessarily in the interests of the common man.

I'm not so sure it has changed overmuch in the last 100 years or so, what has changed is that we suddenly have access to a hell of a lot more opinion and viewpoint, and not all controlled by a small number of wealthy interests. In addition, we are getting to see a lot more of what goes on behind the curtain thanks to the Wikileaks and Snowdens of this world.

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

243 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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JagLover said:
Well an estimated 6,000 Belgium civilians were killed directly by the German army (rather than died through exposure or otherwise as a result of the war) so there was an underlying, albeit probably unphotographed at that stage, story.

But yes media by its very nature has an element of bias, however in the modern age the line between comment and opinion has become ever more blurred.
This is absolutely right.

Unfortunately, even where there is individual bias against a particular source, if some stories support their own world view, people suddenly have no problem quoting that source. Confirmation bias is the game of the moment.

Digby

8,230 posts

245 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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smn159 said:
Digby said:
Blame Capricorn One, desperate attempts to win the space race and the fact the supposedly higher quality moon landing tapes were lost / taped over by NASA.

That would make me ask questions, too.
Jesus wept rolleyes
He probably did.

Could you imagine if a court needed evidence from those tapes?

Judge: Where are the tapes now?

NASA: Sorry, tapes are expensive, we went over them again

Every penny counts when sending people to the moon! hehe
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