45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 2
Discussion
AreOut said:
I guess he has to satisfy military industry complex somehow, it's always better to increase/advance nuclear arsenal because ultimately it will lead to less wars/deaths around the world compared to other options on the table
to be fair, not a bad point. but why not just *pretend* to have nukes. it's not like they are actually going to get used.Or maybe they are doing. I certainly can't imagine the Russians can afford to be building the numbers Trump has claimed.
Funkycoldribena said:
Surely a certain amount is enough? Whats the optimum number for destroying literally everything?
I've just been trying to work that out. 17.1 m kmsq in Russia. Say 6800 warheads means each has to cover a 28km radius circle to cover the lot (ignore that circles don't pack together like straight line shapes). You're not looking at total destruction over thar sort of area from a nuke, but you could be looking at second degree burns out that far. It all depends on the size of the nuke, and I can't find an average Mtonnage for US nukes. But then a lot of Russia is empty, so carpet nuking it would be a bit OTT.
And here's a Spicer one: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/26/spicer-...
From Fox News, so you know it's true.
In an effort to stem leaks, the first line of attack is a search of WH staffers Govt issued AND private phones to check for contact with journos.
Apps like Confide - never heard of it - that delete texts after they've been sent and don't allow them to be screen shot are now outlawed. And to show how seriously this is being taken, Spicer even deleted Confide from his own phone.
Err, what was it doing there in the first place, Sean?
From Fox News, so you know it's true.
In an effort to stem leaks, the first line of attack is a search of WH staffers Govt issued AND private phones to check for contact with journos.
Apps like Confide - never heard of it - that delete texts after they've been sent and don't allow them to be screen shot are now outlawed. And to show how seriously this is being taken, Spicer even deleted Confide from his own phone.
Err, what was it doing there in the first place, Sean?
Greg66 said:
And here's a Spicer one: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/26/spicer-...
From Fox News, so you know it's true.
In an effort to stem leaks, the first line of attack is a search of WH staffers Govt issued AND private phones to check for contact with journos.
Apps like Confide - never heard of it - that delete texts after they've been sent and don't allow them to be screen shot are now outlawed. And to show how seriously this is being taken, Spicer even deleted Confide from his own phone.
Err, what was it doing there in the first place, Sean?
LoveNukesHateFrom Fox News, so you know it's true.
In an effort to stem leaks, the first line of attack is a search of WH staffers Govt issued AND private phones to check for contact with journos.
Apps like Confide - never heard of it - that delete texts after they've been sent and don't allow them to be screen shot are now outlawed. And to show how seriously this is being taken, Spicer even deleted Confide from his own phone.
Err, what was it doing there in the first place, Sean?
Greg66 said:
And here's a Spicer one: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/26/spicer-...
From Fox News, so you know it's true.
In an effort to stem leaks, the first line of attack is a search of WH staffers Govt issued AND private phones to check for contact with journos.
Apps like Confide - never heard of it - that delete texts after they've been sent and don't allow them to be screen shot are now outlawed. And to show how seriously this is being taken, Spicer even deleted Confide from his own phone.
Err, what was it doing there in the first place, Sean?
The best part is that the 'dont leak things' meeting, was leaked immediately From Fox News, so you know it's true.
In an effort to stem leaks, the first line of attack is a search of WH staffers Govt issued AND private phones to check for contact with journos.
Apps like Confide - never heard of it - that delete texts after they've been sent and don't allow them to be screen shot are now outlawed. And to show how seriously this is being taken, Spicer even deleted Confide from his own phone.
Err, what was it doing there in the first place, Sean?
Eric Mc said:
SKP555 said:
Alpinestars said:
And Trump's output has been?
Like it or not Trump is the President of the US. He is the news.Holding him to account and asking difficult questions is part of the medias role, crusading against him because you disagree with his policies is also legitimate but he doesn't have to give them a platform to do so. Not even if some people believe the BBC is good.
Politicians should fear the people not the news corporations. The media do indeed have a very important role to play in a properly functioning democracy and that role is as impartial reporters of the facts.
JagLover said:
Eric Mc said:
SKP555 said:
Alpinestars said:
And Trump's output has been?
Like it or not Trump is the President of the US. He is the news.Holding him to account and asking difficult questions is part of the medias role, crusading against him because you disagree with his policies is also legitimate but he doesn't have to give them a platform to do so. Not even if some people believe the BBC is good.
Politicians should fear the people not the news corporations. The media do indeed have a very important role to play in a properly functioning democracy and that role is as impartial reporters of the facts.
Greg66 said:
And here's a Spicer one: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/26/spicer-...
From Fox News, so you know it's true.
In an effort to stem leaks, the first line of attack is a search of WH staffers Govt issued AND private phones to check for contact with journos.
Apps like Confide - never heard of it - that delete texts after they've been sent and don't allow them to be screen shot are now outlawed. And to show how seriously this is being taken, Spicer even deleted Confide from his own phone.
Err, what was it doing there in the first place, Sean?
Fox News site says CNN first run this.From Fox News, so you know it's true.
In an effort to stem leaks, the first line of attack is a search of WH staffers Govt issued AND private phones to check for contact with journos.
Apps like Confide - never heard of it - that delete texts after they've been sent and don't allow them to be screen shot are now outlawed. And to show how seriously this is being taken, Spicer even deleted Confide from his own phone.
Err, what was it doing there in the first place, Sean?
I would do this in Caps.
Fake news.......
Great work place feeling BTW.
Edit. CNN giving credit to politico for first story. Fox not doing their job?
Oh what a tangled web, can't trust any of them..
Edit
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/sean-spicer-...
Edited by jmorgan on Monday 27th February 08:00
Edited by jmorgan on Monday 27th February 08:43
I had a really weird dream last night. Me and the BBC accidentally kidnapped Trump, it involved John Soper, the virgin Connie Swail, Nazi memorabilia, the Lanchester, Sprite and Ami from the Top Gear Majorca classic car rally, Cheerleaders, RV's, New England car ferries and a safe house on a rock by the beach. I also vaguely remember wet socks and communicating with the authorities via an Amazon Kindle. I think I need to write it up into a screenplay.
Balmoral said:
I had a really weird dream last night. Me and the BBC accidentally kidnapped Trump, it involved John Soper, the virgin Connie Swail, Nazi memorabilia, the Lanchester, Sprite and Ami from the Top Gear Majorca classic car rally, Cheerleaders, RV's, New England car ferries and a safe house on a rock by the beach. I also vaguely remember wet socks and communicating with the authorities via an Amazon Kindle. I think I need to write it up into a screenplay.
...and lay off the cheese?JagLover said:
Eric Mc said:
SKP555 said:
Alpinestars said:
And Trump's output has been?
Like it or not Trump is the President of the US. He is the news.Holding him to account and asking difficult questions is part of the medias role, crusading against him because you disagree with his policies is also legitimate but he doesn't have to give them a platform to do so. Not even if some people believe the BBC is good.
Politicians should fear the people not the news corporations. The media do indeed have a very important role to play in a properly functioning democracy and that role is as impartial reporters of the facts.
However, when has that actually happened? Has there ever been a golden age of the impartial "just the facts" media? I'm reminded of the fact that on the eve of WW1 the Daily mail ran pictures of a Russian pogrom as evidence of German atrocities during the "Rape of Belgium".
Funkycoldribena said:
Surely a certain amount is enough? Whats the optimum number for destroying literally everything?
Cold war doctrine was that you needed an overwhelming large amount, distributed over a wide area with a variety of delivery mechanisms. It meant that even if you lost a significant fraction of them in a surprise first strike then you still had enough to annihilate the opposition. I think much more dangerous than the strategic weapons is recent murmuring about making some small, 'next generation', nukes optimised for low fallout. These would make very nice 'bunker busters' and might actually get used. Not a good line to cross.
XM5ER said:
Absolutely.
However, when has that actually happened? Has there ever been a golden age of the impartial "just the facts" media? I'm reminded of the fact that on the eve of WW1 the Daily mail ran pictures of a Russian pogrom as evidence of German atrocities during the "Rape of Belgium".
Well an estimated 6,000 Belgium civilians were killed directly by the German army (rather than died through exposure or otherwise as a result of the war) so there was an underlying, albeit probably unphotographed at that stage, story. However, when has that actually happened? Has there ever been a golden age of the impartial "just the facts" media? I'm reminded of the fact that on the eve of WW1 the Daily mail ran pictures of a Russian pogrom as evidence of German atrocities during the "Rape of Belgium".
But yes media by its very nature has an element of bias, however in the modern age the line between comment and opinion has become ever more blurred.
JagLover said:
XM5ER said:
Absolutely.
However, when has that actually happened? Has there ever been a golden age of the impartial "just the facts" media? I'm reminded of the fact that on the eve of WW1 the Daily mail ran pictures of a Russian pogrom as evidence of during the "Rape of Belgium".
Well an estimated 6,000 Belgium civilians were killed directly by the German army (rather than died through exposure or otherwise as a result of the war) so there was an underlying, albeit probably unphotographed at that stage, story. However, when has that actually happened? Has there ever been a golden age of the impartial "just the facts" media? I'm reminded of the fact that on the eve of WW1 the Daily mail ran pictures of a Russian pogrom as evidence of during the "Rape of Belgium".
But yes media by its very nature has an element of bias, however in the modern age the line between comment and opinion has become ever more blurred.
I'm not so sure it has changed overmuch in the last 100 years or so, what has changed is that we suddenly have access to a hell of a lot more opinion and viewpoint, and not all controlled by a small number of wealthy interests. In addition, we are getting to see a lot more of what goes on behind the curtain thanks to the Wikileaks and Snowdens of this world.
JagLover said:
Well an estimated 6,000 Belgium civilians were killed directly by the German army (rather than died through exposure or otherwise as a result of the war) so there was an underlying, albeit probably unphotographed at that stage, story.
But yes media by its very nature has an element of bias, however in the modern age the line between comment and opinion has become ever more blurred.
This is absolutely right. But yes media by its very nature has an element of bias, however in the modern age the line between comment and opinion has become ever more blurred.
Unfortunately, even where there is individual bias against a particular source, if some stories support their own world view, people suddenly have no problem quoting that source. Confirmation bias is the game of the moment.
smn159 said:
Digby said:
Blame Capricorn One, desperate attempts to win the space race and the fact the supposedly higher quality moon landing tapes were lost / taped over by NASA.
That would make me ask questions, too.
Jesus wept That would make me ask questions, too.
Could you imagine if a court needed evidence from those tapes?
Judge: Where are the tapes now?
NASA: Sorry, tapes are expensive, we went over them again
Every penny counts when sending people to the moon!
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