45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 2
Discussion
FredClogs said:
Apart from supporting Burnley (which is a pretty major thing where I come from) Alistair Campbell had no evil intent to him on a wider social scale, he was an aggressive bully in and around Westminster and Fleet Street, but Bannon is a different level of nasty in the fact he's not only prepared to fake the news he's prepared to latch onto any cultural or social movement, no matter how morally compromised, to fulfill his aims. Campbell never set out to do harm to sections of the population.
Blair has 10 times the intellect Trump has, no matter how misguided. Make no mistake Trump is stupid, he's barely in control of his own mouth let alone the people around him.
Apropos of not much at all, I was in a pub in Chalk Farm the night that Labour lost the election to Cameron. Campbell came in for last orders and was very pleasant and took (a lot) of stick with very good grace.Blair has 10 times the intellect Trump has, no matter how misguided. Make no mistake Trump is stupid, he's barely in control of his own mouth let alone the people around him.
scherzkeks said:
TTwiggy said:
scherzkeks said:
TTwiggy said:
scherzkeks said:
A fair point in some respects. I still don't know what to make of Bannon.
I think Bannon is a very dangerous man.If I were American I would never have voted for Trump, and neither would I have voted for Hillary. But if I had voted for Trump I'd be very concerned that there's an unelected 'power behind the throne' potentially pulling his strings. Bannon has an agenda - I don't think it's a positive one.
I think one has to be wilfully naive to avoid the conclusion that Bannon's agenda now is the same as it has always been: promoting division and alt-right policies.
FredClogs said:
Apart from supporting Burnley (which is a pretty major thing where I come from) Alistair Campbell had no evil intent to him on a wider social scale, he was an aggressive bully in and around Westminster and Fleet Street, but Bannon is a different level of nasty in the fact he's not only prepared to fake the news he's prepared to latch onto any cultural or social movement, no matter how morally compromised, to fulfill his aims. Campbell never set out to do harm to sections of the population.
Blair has 10 times the intellect Trump has, no matter how misguided. Make no mistake Trump is stupid, he's barely in control of his own mouth let alone the people around him.
He only had a very dirty hand in an illegal war starting/justifying lie (dossier) presented to the UN = evil intent.Blair has 10 times the intellect Trump has, no matter how misguided. Make no mistake Trump is stupid, he's barely in control of his own mouth let alone the people around him.
vetrof said:
As for the ever so superior celebrities who keep embarrassing themselves, well just STFU. Why do they think their opinions carry more weight than my accountant or my postman?
Sarah Silverman being the latest.
https://twitter.com/SarahKSilverman/status/8309231...
In what way do you think she's embarrassed herself, other than it not being a very good joke?Sarah Silverman being the latest.
https://twitter.com/SarahKSilverman/status/8309231...
schmunk said:
vetrof said:
As for the ever so superior celebrities who keep embarrassing themselves, well just STFU. Why do they think their opinions carry more weight than my accountant or my postman?
Sarah Silverman being the latest.
https://twitter.com/SarahKSilverman/status/8309231...
In what way do you think she's embarrassed herself, other than it not being a very good joke?Sarah Silverman being the latest.
https://twitter.com/SarahKSilverman/status/8309231...
"After realizing her mistake, Silverman, who is Jewish, chalked it up to receiving daily anti-Semitic abuse on social media".
PurpleAki said:
schmunk said:
vetrof said:
As for the ever so superior celebrities who keep embarrassing themselves, well just STFU. Why do they think their opinions carry more weight than my accountant or my postman?
Sarah Silverman being the latest.
https://twitter.com/SarahKSilverman/status/8309231...
In what way do you think she's embarrassed herself, other than it not being a very good joke?Sarah Silverman being the latest.
https://twitter.com/SarahKSilverman/status/8309231...
"After realizing her mistake, Silverman, who is Jewish, chalked it up to receiving daily anti-Semitic abuse on social media".
schmunk said:
PurpleAki said:
schmunk said:
vetrof said:
As for the ever so superior celebrities who keep embarrassing themselves, well just STFU. Why do they think their opinions carry more weight than my accountant or my postman?
Sarah Silverman being the latest.
https://twitter.com/SarahKSilverman/status/8309231...
In what way do you think she's embarrassed herself, other than it not being a very good joke?Sarah Silverman being the latest.
https://twitter.com/SarahKSilverman/status/8309231...
"After realizing her mistake, Silverman, who is Jewish, chalked it up to receiving daily anti-Semitic abuse on social media".
Greg66 said:
First sign of the Republican party making a concerted effort to rally round Trump?
The two Republican congressmen who chair the House Oversight Committee and the House Judiciary Committee have called for an inquiry into whether the classified information that led to Gen Flynn having to resign was mishandled. This echoes Trump's tweet from yesterday about what the "real scandal" is here: not the wrongdoing itself, but that the wrongdoing was made public.
As Trump fired Flynn, he must necessarily accept that Flynn had done something warranting the sack. Or put another way, Trump had no reason to doubt the accuracy of the information that led to the sacking.
So the rationale for the inquiry is what? That it is better that sackable wrongdoing by senior members of the Govt should remain private, so that they do not have to be fired?
Bizarro-world strikes again.
Two wrongs do not make a right.The two Republican congressmen who chair the House Oversight Committee and the House Judiciary Committee have called for an inquiry into whether the classified information that led to Gen Flynn having to resign was mishandled. This echoes Trump's tweet from yesterday about what the "real scandal" is here: not the wrongdoing itself, but that the wrongdoing was made public.
As Trump fired Flynn, he must necessarily accept that Flynn had done something warranting the sack. Or put another way, Trump had no reason to doubt the accuracy of the information that led to the sacking.
So the rationale for the inquiry is what? That it is better that sackable wrongdoing by senior members of the Govt should remain private, so that they do not have to be fired?
Bizarro-world strikes again.
There are official channels whereby a report can be made. It is, as many have pointed out, illegal to simply hand classified phone intercepts over to the media.
What I find amusing is the media subtext behind this that intelligence operatives are "bravely" derailing the official policy stance of their elective President on detente with Russia. If you don't agree with the policy then foreign policy should not be made in the White House, or even in congress (by the people you know who have been elected to do so), but by the intelligence community and their friends in the media.
That is indeed Bizarro-world I quite agree.
Edited by JagLover on Thursday 16th February 18:02
I don't think there is any "media subtext". The issue is, as I understand it, Flynn got involved before he was in any position to legally do so and then fibbed about it.
Next question to Flynn, you taken a bung from the Ruskies? No? But you fibbed about speaking to them earlier.... nah, nothing to see here.
Next question to Flynn, you taken a bung from the Ruskies? No? But you fibbed about speaking to them earlier.... nah, nothing to see here.
jmorgan said:
I don't think there is any "media subtext". The issue is, as I understand it, Flynn got involved before he was in any position to legally do so and then fibbed about it.
Next question to Flynn, you taken a bung from the Ruskies? No? But you fibbed about speaking to them earlier.... nah, nothing to see here.
Mostly agree, but security services leaks to the press, that is a big problem of trust for people who delegate the safety of their democracy to these services.Next question to Flynn, you taken a bung from the Ruskies? No? But you fibbed about speaking to them earlier.... nah, nothing to see here.
Stickyfinger said:
Lol! For anyone who regards the BBC as lacking impartiality, Foxy Trump News shows us what a real lack of impartiality looks like. Stickyfinger said:
jmorgan said:
I don't think there is any "media subtext". The issue is, as I understand it, Flynn got involved before he was in any position to legally do so and then fibbed about it.
Next question to Flynn, you taken a bung from the Ruskies? No? But you fibbed about speaking to them earlier.... nah, nothing to see here.
Mostly agree, but security services leaks to the press, that is a big problem of trust for people who delegate the safety of their democracy to these services.Next question to Flynn, you taken a bung from the Ruskies? No? But you fibbed about speaking to them earlier.... nah, nothing to see here.
But these leaks, what and when?
JagLover said:
Greg66 said:
First sign of the Republican party making a concerted effort to rally round Trump?
The two Republican congressmen who chair the House Oversight Committee and the House Judiciary Committee have called for an inquiry into whether the classified information that led to Gen Flynn having to resign was mishandled. This echoes Trump's tweet from yesterday about what the "real scandal" is here: not the wrongdoing itself, but that the wrongdoing was made public.
As Trump fired Flynn, he must necessarily accept that Flynn had done something warranting the sack. Or put another way, Trump had no reason to doubt the accuracy of the information that led to the sacking.
So the rationale for the inquiry is what? That it is better that sackable wrongdoing by senior members of the Govt should remain private, so that they do not have to be fired?
Bizarro-world strikes again.
Two wrongs do not make a right.The two Republican congressmen who chair the House Oversight Committee and the House Judiciary Committee have called for an inquiry into whether the classified information that led to Gen Flynn having to resign was mishandled. This echoes Trump's tweet from yesterday about what the "real scandal" is here: not the wrongdoing itself, but that the wrongdoing was made public.
As Trump fired Flynn, he must necessarily accept that Flynn had done something warranting the sack. Or put another way, Trump had no reason to doubt the accuracy of the information that led to the sacking.
So the rationale for the inquiry is what? That it is better that sackable wrongdoing by senior members of the Govt should remain private, so that they do not have to be fired?
Bizarro-world strikes again.
There are official channels whereby a report can be made. It is, as many have pointed out, illegal to simply hand classified phone intercepts over to the media.
What I find amusing is the media subtext behind this that intelligence operatives are "bravely" derailing the official policy stance of their elective President on detente with Russia. If you don't agree with the policy then foreign policy should not be made in the White House, or even in congress (by the people you know who have been elected to do so), but by the intelligence community and their friends in the media.
That is indeed Bizarro-world I quite agree.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 16th February 18:02
It takes precisely zero effort to recall that during the campaign Trump was very keen to rely on illegally obtained (hacked) information - emails put out by wikileaks - because of what it said and irrespective of how it was obtained.
Now that's being done to him, he's flipped 180 degrees and thinks the wrong in exposing information is far greater than the wrong exposed by the information.
Like all the best salesmen, he will say one thing and ten minutes later say the complete opposite without the remotest hint of self awareness. Because he just doesn't care about the truth of what he says at any time: for him, it's all about saying whatever he feels he needs to say to get him past the particular obstacle that is in front of him.
Greg66 said:
Stickyfinger said:
Lol! For anyone who regards the BBC as lacking impartiality, Foxy Trump News shows us what a real lack of impartiality looks like. The question is, why leak to the press and not go via the correct channels ?, it is clear the person/people involved in the security agencies are acting politically and that is a problem for any free nation.
I ask you to answer the question: what would you think if MI5/MI6 were leaking/briefing against a UK government ?
Greg66 said:
And one wrong that gets covered up is what exactly? The "brave" disclosures are not of new US foreign policy towards Russia. They are trying to get to the bottom of whether Trump has done behind closed doors deals with Russia, which remain undisclosed, if so what they may be and who has benefited from them. So you seem to be agreeing with something you've made up.
Rather that people are desperate to ascribe a personal motive to what seems looking objectively at it to be a change of policy with the new team in charge.Every president is elected to carry out the foreign policy of the United States using their own judgement and bound only by prior treaties and commitments. If Trump wants to improve relations with Russia you may not agree with that policy but that doesn't mean that the elected President does not have the right to do so.
Anyone have a timeline for this "leak"? I found one on MSM but that is persona non grata for critical thinkers. Says they had the telephone info after Flynn jumped.
Silly me, why did he go again? Seems to be attempts to make the leaks the culprit here. If there was no wrong doing Flynn would still be gainfully employed?
Silly me, why did he go again? Seems to be attempts to make the leaks the culprit here. If there was no wrong doing Flynn would still be gainfully employed?
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