45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 2
Discussion
rscott said:
Oceanic said:
Interesting...
http://www.thelocal.se/20170220/swedish-fox-news-c...
So two of the police who appeared in Fox News report aren't happy that Fox used their interviews completely out of context and to misrepresent the situation?http://www.thelocal.se/20170220/swedish-fox-news-c...
As Donald would say, Fox are FAKE NEWS
story said:
""I don't understand why we are part of the segment. The interview was about something completely different to what Fox News and Horowitz were talking about," one of the police officers, Anders Göranzon, told the Dagens Nyheter newspaper on Monday. "It was supposed to be about crime in high risk areas. Areas with high crime rates. There wasn't any focus on migration or immigration."
He said neither he nor his colleague Jacob Ekström recognized the image painted of Sweden in the report, which has been criticized in Sweden for being riddled with inaccuracies and false claims.
"We don't stand behind it. It shocked us. He has edited the answers. We were answering completely different questions in the interview. This is bad journalism," Göranzon told Dagens Nyheter, which said it had attempted to contact Horowitz for a comment."
He said neither he nor his colleague Jacob Ekström recognized the image painted of Sweden in the report, which has been criticized in Sweden for being riddled with inaccuracies and false claims.
"We don't stand behind it. It shocked us. He has edited the answers. We were answering completely different questions in the interview. This is bad journalism," Göranzon told Dagens Nyheter, which said it had attempted to contact Horowitz for a comment."
minimoog said:
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If anyone decides to take his utterances literally he has no-one to blame but himself.
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True. But then to get the most of communications it's incumbent on the listener to listen too.If anyone decides to take his utterances literally he has no-one to blame but himself.
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minimoog said:
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Let's accept that some at least of his policies have an underlying basis which, from a US POV, are sensible or at least not wholly undesirable.
Why then pursue these policies in the most divisive and unproductive way possible? Why declare war on the press, on the Dems, on the judiciary, on the intelligence community? He has done little else but antagonise at least half the country and many of the institutions which might otherwise support him in his task. It's difficult not to conclude that by doing this he is either incompetent, or has something or perhaps many things to hide, and is being overly defensive as a result....
This I'm less sure about...Let's accept that some at least of his policies have an underlying basis which, from a US POV, are sensible or at least not wholly undesirable.
Why then pursue these policies in the most divisive and unproductive way possible? Why declare war on the press, on the Dems, on the judiciary, on the intelligence community? He has done little else but antagonise at least half the country and many of the institutions which might otherwise support him in his task. It's difficult not to conclude that by doing this he is either incompetent, or has something or perhaps many things to hide, and is being overly defensive as a result....
Perhaps one way of looking at it is that the only reason you'd piss all of them off simultaneously is if you genuinely thought they all needed sorting out? After all, why bring all that pain on yourself if you didn't think that?
Incompetency may be valid, but as a non-politician he won't have traditional "competencies" anyway in that respect. Being an idiot's another, but I suspect he isn't. Having things to hide? Again, maybe. But he's 70yrs old and nobody thought even 3mths ago he would be become President....you would have thought anything iffy would have been exposed its fullest already and be unhideable?
I suspect the answer will be a mixed bag. He doesn't seem to be the best strategist to me, and only knows one route (straight for the throat).
minimoog said:
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There is an awful lot of smoke drifting around him, be it alleged Russian ties, personal and family business interests benefiting from his position, the interests of his cronies benefiting from his policies (e.g. energy and environmental de-regulation), etc, and I'd now add in abuse of the public purse to finance his weekend golfing breaks in Florida. There's a good chance that sooner or later one or another of these issues will spark into flame. Because of his inflammatory approach to even mundane issues his stock of goodwill to deal with any such crisis will be minimal outside of his core support. He may yet come to rue that.
Agreed. There is an awful lot of smoke drifting around him, be it alleged Russian ties, personal and family business interests benefiting from his position, the interests of his cronies benefiting from his policies (e.g. energy and environmental de-regulation), etc, and I'd now add in abuse of the public purse to finance his weekend golfing breaks in Florida. There's a good chance that sooner or later one or another of these issues will spark into flame. Because of his inflammatory approach to even mundane issues his stock of goodwill to deal with any such crisis will be minimal outside of his core support. He may yet come to rue that.
But equally much of it may come to nothing/be based on nothing.
As for his abusing the public purse...haven't seen the articles on that. Was it something to do with his rally there last weekend?
Funk said:
What a difference this makes:
I've never really considered his appearance, he has one, and it's his brand, fair enough. This has made me think though of all those blerts in the Corbyn thread who used to bang on constantly about JC's appearance, as if that s
t really matters.Halb said:
I've never really considered his appearance, he has one, and it's his brand, fair enough. This has made me think though of all those blerts in the Corbyn thread who used to bang on constantly about JC's appearance, as if that st really matters.
Trump is (scarily) one of the most powerful men in the world. He should at least look like a president even if he doesn't have the mental capacity to actually BE one!t really matters.Murph7355 said:
As for his abusing the public purse...haven't seen the articles on that. Was it something to do with his rally there last weekend?
It's more his trips there most weekends, which involve completely shutting down the local airport, costing the small businesses based there thousands of pounds. That's on top of the extra security costs.In what is, I'm sure, completely unrelated news, membership fees for his resort doubled this year.
rscott said:
It's more his trips there most weekends, which involve completely shutting down the local airport, costing the small businesses based there thousands of pounds. That's on top of the extra security costs.
In what is, I'm sure, completely unrelated news, membership fees for his resort doubled this year.
Maybe that's because he can call ALL his suites president's suites now In what is, I'm sure, completely unrelated news, membership fees for his resort doubled this year.
Halb said:
Funk said:
What a difference this makes:
I've never really considered his appearance, he has one, and it's his brand, fair enough. This has made me think though of all those blerts in the Corbyn thread who used to bang on constantly about JC's appearance, as if that st really matters.Apparently there is a protest march in Truro tonight over the planned President Trump visit later this year.
I don't think he is actually coming to Truro, but I bet he is nervous now!
I don't quite get what the point of this protest march is or what it is hoped it will achieve. Bonkers!
I don't think he is actually coming to Truro, but I bet he is nervous now!
I don't quite get what the point of this protest march is or what it is hoped it will achieve. Bonkers!
p1stonhead said:
559(!) killed by guns in February 2017 alone so far according to the below. and were only at the 20th of the month.
http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/number-o...
2125 dead in the US so far this year. 81 children under 11 killed or injured.
BUT SWEDEN! SWEDENNNNNNN!
Waaaaahhh! Waaaaahhh! Enjoy your self inflicted slavery to the state.http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/number-o...
2125 dead in the US so far this year. 81 children under 11 killed or injured.
BUT SWEDEN! SWEDENNNNNNN!
Edited by p1stonhead on Monday 20th February 09:34
5ohmustang said:
p1stonhead said:
559(!) killed by guns in February 2017 alone so far according to the below. and were only at the 20th of the month.
http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/number-o...
2125 dead in the US so far this year. 81 children under 11 killed or injured.
BUT SWEDEN! SWEDENNNNNNN!
Waaaaahhh! Waaaaahhh! Enjoy your self inflicted slavery to the state.http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/number-o...
2125 dead in the US so far this year. 81 children under 11 killed or injured.
BUT SWEDEN! SWEDENNNNNNN!
Edited by p1stonhead on Monday 20th February 09:34
You certainly have a wierd love fest with America considering you are only there on holiday don't you!
rscott said:
FredClogs said:
Finlandia said:
Oceanic said:
Finlandia said:
Many would disagree, especially the residents of the trouble zones. Higher taxes and lower level of services for the tax money affects us all though.
No different to the UK in my opinion, you have council taxes going up at almost 5% this year in some places and services stretched such as social care, schools, hospitals. And the overall tax burden is not that different between the UK and Sweden.
Perhaps you've fallen foul of what's going on here?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/11/russ...
http://www.expressen.se/kvallsposten/samtliga-skju...
Deadly shootings increasing in Sweden.
http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/dodsskjutningar-o...
Extreme situation in comparison with neighbouring countries.
http://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vast/extrem-situa...
So far this year there have been over 100 shootings in the county.
http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programi...
On average you have pretty much a shooting a day in Sweden, the biggest single reason behind these shootings are gang wars.
tommunster10 said:
OK so your scenario is the health care system is apparently failing or failed you... just imagine if the reasons were that you basically found yourself in the middle of a civil War and the threat of being killed or maimed was a daily worry. Or maybe you had already lost family or had your home destroyed by IS or Assad's goons.
If I had fled for my life, I would be happy to just be safe somewhere, get fed and have a bed to sleep in, I wouldn't be making demands on where to stay and refuse to leave the bus when appointed and transported to a place.Refugees refusing to leave the bus.
http://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/jonkoping/asylsok...
http://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vasternorrland/fl...
Oceanic said:
Finlandia said:
I haven't heard of daily shootings and bombings in the UK, and when one compares the taxes between the countries there is a rather big difference.
There are shootings and violent crimes being committed in the UK a lot of the time, maybe not so much right now but we are only a few years from when the Irish were at it up and down the country and with Brexit that tin of worms is potentially being opened again. The taxes are a little higher, but then you get a little more.
While there are violent crimes in the UK, especially while IRA were at it, it's getting out of hand here with car torchings, gang rapes, sexual assaults, and the gang related violence and shootings.
Finlandia said:
rscott said:
FredClogs said:
Finlandia said:
Oceanic said:
Finlandia said:
Many would disagree, especially the residents of the trouble zones. Higher taxes and lower level of services for the tax money affects us all though.
No different to the UK in my opinion, you have council taxes going up at almost 5% this year in some places and services stretched such as social care, schools, hospitals. And the overall tax burden is not that different between the UK and Sweden.
Perhaps you've fallen foul of what's going on here?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/11/russ...
http://www.expressen.se/kvallsposten/samtliga-skju...
Deadly shootings increasing in Sweden.
http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/dodsskjutningar-o...
Extreme situation in comparison with neighbouring countries.
http://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vast/extrem-situa...
So far this year there have been over 100 shootings in the county.
http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programi...
On average you have pretty much a shooting a day in Sweden, the biggest single reason behind these shootings are gang wars.
tommunster10 said:
OK so your scenario is the health care system is apparently failing or failed you... just imagine if the reasons were that you basically found yourself in the middle of a civil War and the threat of being killed or maimed was a daily worry. Or maybe you had already lost family or had your home destroyed by IS or Assad's goons.
If I had fled for my life, I would be happy to just be safe somewhere, get fed and have a bed to sleep in, I wouldn't be making demands on where to stay and refuse to leave the bus when appointed and transported to a place.Refugees refusing to leave the bus.
http://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/jonkoping/asylsok...
http://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vasternorrland/fl...
Oceanic said:
Finlandia said:
I haven't heard of daily shootings and bombings in the UK, and when one compares the taxes between the countries there is a rather big difference.
There are shootings and violent crimes being committed in the UK a lot of the time, maybe not so much right now but we are only a few years from when the Irish were at it up and down the country and with Brexit that tin of worms is potentially being opened again. The taxes are a little higher, but then you get a little more.
While there are violent crimes in the UK, especially while IRA were at it, it's getting out of hand here with car torchings, gang rapes, sexual assaults, and the gang related violence and shootings.
rscott said:
What are the nationalities of most of those involved in carrying out the shootings?
The nationality of criminals is not recorded in Sweden. The gangs are mainly Middle Eastern, North African and to a lesser extent Balkan/Eastern European, and the gangs are behind most of the shootings.A highly positioned police officer, the most experienced police investigator in Örebro wrote a post on his personal facebook page, which has landed him in all sorts of trouble.
http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programi...
"Jag är så jävla trött. Det jag kommer att skriva här nedan, är inte politiskt korrekt. Men det skiter jag i. Det jag kommer att torgföra till er alla skattebetalare är förbjudet att torgföra för oss statligt anställda. Det renderar i utebliven karriär och utebliven individuell lön. Även fast det är sant. Jag skiter i allt detta, ska snart ändå gå i pension efter 47 år i denna verksamhet. Jag kommer nu och varje vecka framgent att redogöra i detalj för vad som sysselsätter Mig som utredare/förundersökningsledare på grova brottsroteln polisen i Örebro. Det kommer inte att harmoniera med BRÅ: s uppfattning eller andra vänstervridna kriminologers uppfattning i den allmänna debatten.
Våra pensionärer går på knäna, skolan är ett enda kaos, sjukvården är ett inferno, polisen har totalhavererat etc etc. Alla vet varför men ingen törs eller vill torgföra anledningen, p g a att Sverige alltid levt på myten om det präktiga ultimata samhället som har osinnliga resurser för att vara i framkant när det gäller att vara det enda politiskt korrekta alternativet i en dysfunktionell värld som slår knut på sig själv, genom destruktivt beteende i olika religioners namn.
Nu kör vi; Detta har jag hanterat Måndag- fredag denna vecka: Våldtäkt, våldtäkt, grov våldtäkt, överfallsvåldtäkt, utpressning, utpressning, övergrepp i rättssak, olaga hot, våld mot polis, hot mot polis, narkotikabrott, grovt narkotika brott, mordförsök, våldtäkt igen, utpressning igen och misshandel.
Misstänkta gärningsmän; Ali Mohamad, Mahmod , Mohammed, Mohammed Ali, igen , igen , igen Christoffer...va är det sant. Ja ett svenskt namn smög sig in i utkanten av ett narkotikabrott, Mohammed, Mahmod Ali, igen och igen.
Länder som representerar veckans alla brott: Irak , Irak, Turkiet , Syrien, Afganistan, Somalia, Somalia, Syrien igen, Somalia, okänt land, okänt land, Sverige. Hälften av de misstänkta kan vi inte veta säkert eftersom de inte har några giltiga papper. Vilket i sig oftast innebär att de ljuger om nationalitet och identitet.
Nu pratar vi bara Örebro kommun. Och dessa brott upptar vår utredningsförmåga till 100%.
Så här ser det ut och har sett ut de senaste 10-15 åren.
Återkommer nästa fredag med en redogörelse för den gångna veckan"
Greg66 said:
Hahaha! Did you get the Special Decoder Ring with your Trump(tm) breakfast cereal? Does it glow in the dark too? You claim to know a lot about what's going on in his head too. It sounds like you got the Special Psychic Ring as well. Well done!
I hope he gets to read comments such as this, or at least gets told about them. He would then know he has nothing to worry about from those who do not like him.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if he could read out such comments or post them on Twitter to explain the mentality of some of those who dislike him.
He would win more followers.
Keep it up
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