45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 2
Discussion
5ohmustang said:
tommunster10 said:
If your so free and uncontrolled by the establishment, why come onto a forum which has so many rules before you can join? Forums are some of the worst examples of freedom ever.
Also if you are so free why are you scared to go full white supremacy on here? Is it cause you know you'd be gone in a heart beat? Do you use the N word at all between you and your hillbilly chums?
Wtf are you talking about? Also if you are so free why are you scared to go full white supremacy on here? Is it cause you know you'd be gone in a heart beat? Do you use the N word at all between you and your hillbilly chums?
Why would I not go to a forum because the forum has set rules?
Scared to go full white supremacy? Maybe because I am not a white supremacist. Now I see how Germany went to s
t, people like you voted Merkel in. Great job in ruining your country you schnitzel.
Murph7355 said:
So on this Sweden thing, do we all think Sweden is generally OK wrt its immigration policy? Forget "last night", if you've read anything about the country in the last 6-12mths, does it seem like an advert for loose immigration control? (Ignore Trump if you can, just think on it generically).
Slightly O.T so I will use a spoiler.I don't think Sweden is ok with the policy in the medium term (25 years), more for cold hard economic reasons rather than anything else. All of the Nordic countries carry a heavy yearly bill for public spending and spend sod all on the military. This has worked reasonably well for the past 25 years or so. In terms of the percentages of low-skilled people entering Sweden, this does not marry with the Swedish economic thirst for tax money versus the spend on public services. It simply won't work in the medium term, the bill is in the post so to speak on a number of levels. The problem with increasing the size of of the host population and maintaining the same level of public spending is that, over time, the only way to sustain it in these Nordic countries is to continue to increase the population size or find an oil well the size of Ireland. This is of course because as people age, their economic output will fall and their consumption (per head) of public services increases. The people entering the country now are at the wrong part of their lives to be productive quickly.
So, you need to ask, with Sweden's historical harmony with itself and the rest of the world, would they choose to do this? I don't buy the friends of the earth theory about the swedes so I will give my own view.
The majority of Swedish economic GDP is generated by household consumption, that said it is significantly lower than other developed nations (45% Sweden, 65%+ U.K). Because of this, in order to boost the GDP of Sweden, the fastest route 1 is simply by having more people in the country. What you will now expect to see (over the next 20 years) is that Sweden's GDP will be boosted as a result. The problem, going back to the first point about Sweden, is that simply increasing GDP will not be enough as the type of people being imported will not be productive quickly enough, it will take a generation.
With regards to Germany, their goals are similar but at the same time different. They want cheap labour to work in their factories, they need cheap labour. Even if this labour is not entirely productive because, it keeps wage inflation pegged. As I have posted previously, inflation is like kryptonite for German industry, it is the one thing that they really fear economically.
Murph7355 said:
We also discussed his general immigration approach and NATO.
The biggest beef on immigration were the countries selected and that he hadn't also included countries he does business with. I noted that whilst I agree with the principle (of including more countries), Trump is not alone in his selective behaviour...so why is he being demonised on this one and no one else?
This (the country list) is a complete mis-direction by the media and again, they are not addressing the main issues because they don't have the brass ones or the intelligence to tackle them.The biggest beef on immigration were the countries selected and that he hadn't also included countries he does business with. I noted that whilst I agree with the principle (of including more countries), Trump is not alone in his selective behaviour...so why is he being demonised on this one and no one else?
The reason why Pakistan is not on the list is because Saudi Arabia is not on the list. The reason why Saudi Arabia is not on the list is outside of Trumps control and nothing to do with his personal business interests. Even if Trump/Bannon wanted Arabia on the list, they would be prevented from doing so by the Washington machine however, I don't believe this, I believe that Trump and Bannon have bought into the long-game with the Saudis.
The real reason why Saudi Arabia is not on the list is due to the promise made by the Americans for the Saudi Royal family to commit to the U.S Dollar petro-dollar denomination for all Oil in exchange for the continuation of the house of Saud. This allows the U.S to continue to benefit from the massive financial implications of this as without the petro-dollar denomination the U.S is fiscally broken. The U.S/Saudi marriage will continue until the petro-dollar promise becomes fiscally worthless. Because of electric cars that time is approaching but its not here yet.
Murph7355 said:
On NATO, it was apparently the mixed messages. There was much focus on the word "obsolete" that he uses/stressed?
I agree with what you said, you kind of summed it up. My personal view is that the current U.S Military budget is un-sustainable, I know there is talk about the Trump administration being pro-military however, the U.S government spending plan for 2016 looks more like a military dictatorship rather than a modern services based economy. Overall U.S Military spending simply has to come down as a % of government spending. Trump can't cut the Military how he wants to in the traditional sense, it will not be good politics for him and so NATO will be a stronger scapegoat than it otherwise would have been.
It is time for the EU to step up and take military spending seriously and buy some U.S military hardware, this is the end-game for Trump as it allows for the U.S to cut overall military spending but protect (or even grow) the U.S military job framework.
Edited by Carl_Manchester on Tuesday 21st February 19:28
5ohmustang said:
I have family there. Not to mention I have seen the Deutsche Caliphate it has become, they are about 5 years ahead of the UK's schedule.
I think it's fair to say I have tried, again, to engage with you on a reasonable level.Neither the UK nor Germany are a Caliphate nor anything like it. To say so is the language of a racist lunatic, or a wind up merchant.
There is a really good article about tower 7 on the BBC - that is far more credible than the site you link to. Try it, read it, you might like it. Look beyond the fake news bulls
t.So do you go for the insurance swindle or the government/secret services angle?
5ohmustang said:
tommunster10 said:
If your so free and uncontrolled by the establishment, why come onto a forum which has so many rules before you can join? Forums are some of the worst examples of freedom ever.
Also if you are so free why are you scared to go full white supremacy on here? Is it cause you know you'd be gone in a heart beat? Do you use the N word at all between you and your hillbilly chums?
Wtf are you talking about? Also if you are so free why are you scared to go full white supremacy on here? Is it cause you know you'd be gone in a heart beat? Do you use the N word at all between you and your hillbilly chums?
Why would I not go to a forum because the forum has set rules?
Scared to go full white supremacy? Maybe because I am not a white supremacist. Now I see how Germany went to s
t, people like you voted Merkel in. Great job in ruining your country you schnitzel.desolate said:
I think it's fair to say I have tried, again, to engage with you on a reasonable level.
Neither the UK nor Germany are a Caliphate nor anything like it. To say so is the language of a racist lunatic, or a wind up merchant.
There is a really good article about tower 7 on the BBC - that is far more credible than the site you link to. Try it, read it, you might like it. Look beyond the fake news bullst.
So do you go for the insurance swindle or the government/secret services angle?
I go for Make Rhodesia British Again!Neither the UK nor Germany are a Caliphate nor anything like it. To say so is the language of a racist lunatic, or a wind up merchant.
There is a really good article about tower 7 on the BBC - that is far more credible than the site you link to. Try it, read it, you might like it. Look beyond the fake news bulls
t.So do you go for the insurance swindle or the government/secret services angle?
tommunster10 said:
Did you (5oh) prefer the vision of Germany under that Adolf chap?
Godwin strikes again 
Try that Schulz chap, or Merkel's imitation in due course.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ange...
5ohmustang said:
I have family there. Not to mention I have seen the Deutsche Caliphate it has become, they are about 5 years ahead of the UK's schedule.
Caliphate is a word you only learnt this week isn't it, and you are determined to use it as much as possible.UK caliphate.
German caliphate.
Is everywhere, apart from wherever you happen to be, a caliphate?
vonuber said:
50 is quite boring now, he's gone too far with his 'murica stuff that it's just not believable.
Where stickyfinger got too? His masturbation obsession was amusing at least. Also anyone seen don4l? Has he gone back to his beloved homeland of London to drink a pint of Guinness?
and jimbob i miss jimbob, don is probably crying into his beer now he has seen what trump has becomeWhere stickyfinger got too? His masturbation obsession was amusing at least. Also anyone seen don4l? Has he gone back to his beloved homeland of London to drink a pint of Guinness?
turbobloke said:
jmorgan said:
turbobloke said:
jmorgan said:
wall
Good question, his wall has been off the radar recently with all the other excitement on offer.Walls: size matters.
And it will be Great.
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