45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 2

[jmorgan]

^^^
You go where you want. Hats off for making it.

Nearly took the plunge in me yoof, north of the border.

[p1stonhead]

5ohmustang said:

p1stonhead said:

Fair play to you for sticking by your obviously strong principles though throughout this thread.

It is fascinating too. Do you really love the US that much despite not being there that long relatively speaking? I don't see how the country could possibly have caught your imagination so strongly as an outsider. I've been a few times and love the place and everyone I have met there although as a tourist it's sort of insulating obviously.

I honestly without any joking intended, would like to know how it came to be that you are SO American. I actually have extended family who are born and bread in America and who voted for Trump and they are WAY WAY WAY less 'American' than you appear to be. Obviously tell me to do one as it's none of my business if you want

Cue the music, and before you say Bruce Springsteen's a liberal, I am fully aware.

https://youtu.be/IrxKkELQJiQ

I have been in the U.S. for approximately 10 years. Yes I do love the US as much as I make out. I do not disagree in that, yes there are problems, however the pros heavily outweigh the cons.

I have always been fascinated by American culture. I do not mean the pop or Hollywood culture, but the Americana aspect.

By that I mean muscle cars, trucks, guns, the survival/homestead movement, the vast expanses of scarlet populated land, the outdoors, food, etc.

I love the old America and it's history. From its first inception to the 90s. Listening to the stories of the older generations and how they got by in hard times.

Meeting car enthusiasts and listening to their individual stories of the car culture from times past. I've met fellow muscle car owners to pick up parts, we get talking and end up staying up all night talking about cars.

I talk to a lot of people when I go out. I am an introvert and like to keep myself to myself. However when I interact with people and they hear the accent. They want to talk and talk. I went to home depot tonight to look for some bolts, I got in a half hour conversation with a stranger. People are very friendly.

It is so very different to what I was used to. I got tired of pubs and clubs. Waiting in Piccadilly gardens to get the 135 home as some poor kid gets glassed in the face or watch some guy puke up everywhere or watch a comatosed girl with her knickers around her ankles piss herself on canal Street. I am not saying this is the standard British life, we know it is not. However that's what I saw a lot of. I was totally disillusioned of what society chose the mould I should fit into. I never liked soccer, never a big drinker, it always rained, crime was bad, petrol too expensive, houses too expensive and small. However the choice in cars other than American cars is fantastic.

I am not trying to offend anyone and say my way of life is better than yours. I choose my path because it is how I wanted to life. However I will say living in debt, paying all your monthly salary to survive is not how humans were ment to live.

I never wanted to be the typical brit going to the tourist hotspots, CA,FL and NY.

I wanted to go to blue collar, gritty, blood and guts America. So I went to Alabama.

No I have not lost my British accent at all, however my vocab has changed and genuinely use Americanisms. Now when someone in here is being a tosser, I'll admit I overuse them. However in order to live here you have to adapt your vocab, otherwise no one will have a clue of what I am trying to say. My wife is American from Alabama, I have always loved American accents, the novelty of hearing my wife talk has not worn off. Nor is she obese or overweight Nanook.

I do not hate the UK, it's people or lifestyle. It just did not mesh well with me. I have always felt an outsider. I could not afford the lifestyle I have, having said that I live frugally. The UK has it pros but for me they did not outweigh the cons.

Being 10 years older now, I feel I would have found a level of happiness and satisfaction if I stayed in the UK, but it was always a dream to be here, something I never thought possible.

Both countries have great people and dick heads. I do not feel coming to the US on holiday, watching YouTube or reading books can give people a true understanding. I am sure many Brits have come here, didn't like it and returned, fair play.

I have been told by Americans I am more patriotic and Americanized than most Americans they know. While I joke on here about eating the freedom fries and all that, I am not a blind patriot.

As in Billy Joel's song Allentown "But something happened on the way to that place, They threw an American flag in our face."

I do not worship the state. I am not blind to the evil that has been perpetrated for the "greater good." I do not like Republicans, but they are the lesser of two evils. The Democrats are repulsive, bat st crazy mentalists.

All media is biased to a certain degree. As individuals we the end user should decide what media we choose to listen to and what to filter out, that is not the job of a governing body to decide. CNN is fake news, however I respect their right to exist and pump out what ever crap they want.

When one media outlet is censored then so will the rest.

When you change any amendment in the Constitution then it will happen to the rest, therefore no quarter.

People on here can call me traitor and all the other names, in case no one noticed, I don't give a st. My life would not have planned out the way it has if I did not make the decisions I did.

I believe as it is the responsibility of a naturalized immigrant to assimilate of their new adopted country. Let's say I went to Japan, I am going to learn and practice their customs. Continue their traditions and uphold their values. Buy and drive Japanese vehicles, maybe even listen to Eurobeat etc.

Whatever the country I am naturalized to I will adapt to their way.

Religion is different, that's the individuals right to choose, I don't care. I do care when that said religion practices hate and terror.

I am an atheist. I used to be a militant atheist. Living in Alabama I have seen it all. I have spent a lot of time around Baptists, Evangelicals and non denominational. My wife is athiest. Her parents are Baptists. It is their way of life.

I've been to black revivals and to church of Christ (speaking in tongues.) The Benny Hinn level of wtf is going on with these people.

I've been accused of being the anti Christ and I have been told I am angel from heaven.

As long as these people are not harming others let them believe what they want. When an ideology clearly tells it's followers repeatedly to slay infidels that is not cool with me.

The Confederate flag is not a symbol of racism. The media has spread that lie.

I have never ever witnessed white supremacy, white privilege, gender inequality and all the other nonsense.

I see more hatred between mustang and camaro owners than I see with different races.

This is not the 19th century anymore.

Going back to the question. Everybody has different goals and reasons for what drives them in life. I am simply fascinated with Americana and alternative living. We all have different interests and do not have to agree with each other to coexist.

https://youtu.be/p8_FOQ7-P30

Well cant ask for more open than that

[thatsprettyshady]

5ohmustang said:

Stuff

Great post.

[jmorgan]

Greg66 said:

Halb said:

unrepentant said:

Meanwhile Trump spends half the week golfing at his Florida hotel (at a cost of $3 million a pop to us) each week and the citizens of NYC pay $1 million a week so his wife can live in their apartment.

President Bannon and his small handed puppet are going to leave a big mess in 6 months or a year or 2 or 4 or whenever this debacle ends.

How does Trump racking up the bills compare to Obama?

An order of magnitude more, AIUI. E.g. the First Family gets Security Service protection. So when the Trump sons go abroad to do business for Trump Co, they get the full Security Service detail travelling with them, paid for by tax dollars.

And Trump's personal bill is supposed to be staggering, not least because he splits his time between the WH and Florida. I think from memory the Security Service pays him rent to occupy part of Trump Tower in NYC so they can protect him there. I assume they do the same in Florida.

And he deleted tweets saying he was interviewing people for jobs there. For jobs in the government that is.

I suspect someone might be starting to point out one or two problems going there on a regular basis. Maybe they will tail off.

[babatunde]

5ohmustang said:

...................I have been in the U.S. for approximately 10 years. Yes I do love the US as much as I make out. I do not disagree in that, yes there are problems, however the pros heavily outweigh the cons.

I have always been fascinated by American culture. I do not mean the pop or Hollywood culture, but the Americana aspect.

By that I mean muscle cars, trucks, guns, the survival/homestead movement, the vast expanses of scarlet populated land, the outdoors, food, etc.

I love the old America and it's history. From its first inception to the 90s. Listening to the stories of the older generations and how they got by in hard times.

The Confederate flag is not a symbol of racism. The media has spread that lie.

I have never ever witnessed white supremacy, white privilege, gender inequality and all the other nonsense.

This is not the 19th century anymore.

Going back to the question. Everybody has different goals and reasons for what drives them in life. I am simply fascinated with Americana and alternative living. We all have different interests and do not have to agree with each other to coexist.

.............

Don't know if it's really fair to pick out a couple of statements but,

Anyone claiming that the confederate flag isn't a symbol of racism is obtusely blind.

And if you are claiming never to have seen "white supremacy, white privilege, gender inequality" then young man you are just confirming your fundamental ignorance of the world around you.

Empathy, compassion and even dare I say, the ability to understand basic truths are IMO obviously beyond you. Seems you think that John Wayne movies were actually accurate historical recreations.

[anonymous-user]

Colonial said:

5ohmustang said:

Don't wait up, it will probably be very late your time.

I ment repair my Van, (corrective text.)

Prepping thread Nanook.

Side note, I'm loving the van thread. You're politics are crazy to me, but it is a cool piece of Americana and I love reading about it - and our political differences are completely irrelevant to that thread.

+1.

I'd quite like to have a beer with 5. But I wouldn't want to talk politics!

[Eric Mc]

It was good of 50Mustang to state why he decided to live in the US and how he feels it is as a country.

If I was ever to emigrate again it would be to the US as well because I too love many aspects of American culture and its people.

But, like any country, it is not perfect and it has many aspects that could and sometimes does almost repulse me.

It's one great strength is its underlying democratic values and its overall support for the organs that make democracy work.

My main concern for the US at the moment is that Trump is on a mission to undermine and probably irredeemably damage those democratic institutions,. His single most obvious message is -

"They lie all the time.

I lie too, but since I don't profess to be honest, that's OK".

He is a charlatan and, to use his own favourite word, a "fake". At some point, whether it is in the next few months or years down the line, the American people will wake up and find they have ended up with a certifiable loon in The White House and he will be removed, through election or otherwise.

[4x4Tyke]

unrepentant said:

Flew back into Atlanta from Mobay yesterday, first time out of the country since Trump assumed office. Lines looked long at the Non US immigration desks. They always do but they looked longer than usual. There seemed to be a little more tension in the air too but that may have been my imagination.

The DHS have announced the hiring of 5,000 extra border patrol officers and 10,000 more "agents" to enforce the orange bigot's diktats. They've moved on from the previous governments (quite correct) policy of targeting criminals and terror threats and are basically going to go after whoever they can find. It will give license to the successors to Arpaio who would suspect anyone with dark skin or a Hispanic accent of being illegal and submit them to interrogation. 11,000,000 mostly law abiding decent people now live in fear of a knock on the door and millions of others fear that they will be subject to harassment.

This sort of thing might have something to do with it. His crime, looking a bit too Californian if the picture is any guide


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/n...

Edited by 4x4Tyke on Wednesday 22 February 07:46

[jmorgan]

4x4Tyke said:

This sort of thing might have something to do with it. His crime, looking a bit too Californian if the picture is any guide


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/n...

Edited by 4x4Tyke on Wednesday 22 February 07:46

On top of which there is no info on what info they gleamed off his phone.

I fear that the Trump way of doing things is rushed, alpha male approach and an ill thought out. However, it is his country and the system let him in.

The ban has quietened down in the press as they fish for other stuff, is it off the table?

[spaximus]

Greg66 said:

According to this: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/09/21/un... 11 million is around the right ballpark. Whether they are mostly law abiding is a different question, of course.

Trump is doing what he said he would do on this subject. Now regardless of the figure the fact they are in the US illegally makes them criminals. They may do everything else correct but Obama allowed many to become American citizens by saying well there here anyway so make them official.

To many Mexicans who are legally in the US, those who got there by illegal means are undermining their legitimacy.

On PH we have seen so many post in the past of people we want to deport and yet the EU laws make it difficult, even convicted murderers get to stay which many feel not right.

Trump said he would do this and he is and HLS are getting the support to do that. Harsh but that is the way it is.

Flying in and out of the States we have been asked to switch on lap tops and phone so the article quoted by the Nasa guy should be taken with a pinch of salt. We have no idea how he responded to an instruction, no idea if he clearly explained who he was, but never mind he has posted his version on Facebook so it must be true.

Like Trump or not, he is trying to keep his promise.

[Eric Mc]

Even a crazy person can make the odd correct decision now and then.

[Finlandia]

5ohmustang said:

Some very inspiring stuff.

Really enjoyed that, found the van thread too, will have a read tonight.

Thanks for sharing.

[BigMon]

5ohmustang said:

Stuff

I don't agree with much of what you post to be honest (though, to be fair, I think a lot of it is tongue in cheek having read some of your recent posts).

However, thanks for taking the time to write that post. It was genuinely interesting.

[scherzkeks]

5ohmustang said:

desolate said:

I'll happily answer any question that I feel qualified to.

What about building 7?

Visit A&E. No conspiracy theories. The building fell at about the rate of gravity, near perfect freefall. The question is how. NIST has also acknowledge it, after first trying to deny it. Once you understand what is required for a skyscraper to fall at the rate of gravity (encountering virtually no resistance), the need for an investigation is self-evident.

[tommunster10]

Fair play 50mustang, you didn't really need to do that but glad you did. Nice insight and i can see that really you are just a bit of a wind up merchant (like me) and not some slathering white supremacist.
I will add this though, don't fall into the trap of assuming that because someone disagrees with your view that they must therefore be "the other side", good example if I don't like Trump it really doesn't mean i supported Hilary or Obama.
I don't trust any politician for the most part.

Only difference with me and you is we both dislike 'establishment' but you support Trump who still to me is establishment... So i just dislike one more thing than you do...so in away i am more anti establishment and pro freedom than you are...

It's like if i said i don't like like Mustangs if then someone said "oh you must be one of those lilly livered camaro guys then" I'd be like, nope they are ste as well...

Edited by tommunster10 on Wednesday 22 February 09:33

[jmorgan]

Nanook said:

scherzkeks said:

Visit A&E. No conspiracy theories. The building fell at the rate of gravity. The question is how. NIST has also acknowledge it, after first trying to deny it. Once you understand what is required for a skyscraper to fall at the rate of gravity (encountering virtually no resistance), the need for an investigation is self-evident.

Right. Except you don't.

Imagine you're holding a very large weight above your head, with your elbows locked. As much as you can possibly manage to hold there. Then someone reaches in and bumps both of your elbows out. How quickly is that weight going to accelerate downwards?

But but but freee falllll man.........

Sorry. Wrong thread.

[scherzkeks]

Nanook said:

scherzkeks said:

Visit A&E. No conspiracy theories. The building fell at the rate of gravity. The question is how. NIST has also acknowledge it, after first trying to deny it. Once you understand what is required for a skyscraper to fall at the rate of gravity (encountering virtually no resistance), the need for an investigation is self-evident.

Right. Except you don't.

Imagine you're holding a very large weight above your head, with your elbows locked. As much as you can possibly manage to hold there. Then someone reaches in and bumps both of your elbows out. How quickly is that weight going to accelerate downwards?

Not at the rate of gravity; the object encounters resistance, unless of course the matter providing that resistance is eliminated.

[amusingduck]

unrepentant said:

Flew back into Atlanta from Mobay yesterday....

Did you ever get around to apoligising to boxxob, AreOut et al for these kind of comments?

unrepentant said:

I've been peddling my dirge here a lot longer than 18 months chum. Unfortunately most people with something worthwhile to say on political matters don't bother coming to PH anymore because of nauseous little cretins like you who have nothing to say so post the sort of ludicrous bilge like the above. I only bother because it's fun to wind up you newbies and wannabes and witness you getting ever more desperate as the inevitable defeat of a candidate that you inexplicably favor in a race that involves you not one jot looms ever closer. One more week and you can crawl back under your rock.

unrepentant said:

After she wins next Tuesday I assume that you will be on here admitting what we already know, that you're a moron whose irrational hatred of Clinton consumed what little brain you had previously? Or you could just apologize to Haymarket for wasting so much of their bandwidth with your onanistic trolling...

unrepentant said:

It's funny, even in swing states like NH that Spunker has to win the republicans have conceded defeat and are running ads telling their voters not to give HRC a blank cheque and save the senate. Meanwhile here on PH the Deluded still think that the wkpuffin can win. It's like the real world is some other universe to Areout & co.

Sent with warmest regards from my mothers council flat attic in Dudley

Edited by amusingduck on Wednesday 22 February 09:41

[PurpleAki]

thatsprettyshady said:

5ohmustang said:

Stuff

Great post.

Mr Mustang if you can post like that, there's no need to post in the manner you do the rest of the time, because it makes you look simple, when going by your long post, you are not.

[turbobloke]

PurpleAki said:

thatsprettyshady said:

5ohmustang said:

Stuff

Great post.

Mr Mustang if you can post like that, there's no need to post in the manner you do the rest of the time, because it makes you look simple, when going by your long post, you are not.

The rest was fake news then

In reality, name calling against 5oh being rife and putting that to one side, there was never any doubt except to those unable to put it to one side.