45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 2
Discussion
Alpinestars said:
Are you a Trump supporter? If so, do you see any shortcomings or causes for concern?
Not really an avid supporter, but then I'm not a non-supporter, either, I just like the fact he's thrown the rule book out of the window.Causes for concern? Only that this is the second time I have seen the uttery vindictive nature of those who didn't get their way (See Brexit) and wonder where that may lead.
Trump may settle down and be ok, he may be an arse until it's all over.
Nothing will change regards moaning about it, though.
Digby said:
Not really an avid supporter, but then I'm not a non-supporter, either, I just like the fact he's thrown the rule book out of the window.
Causes for concern? Only that this is the second time I have seen the uttery vindictive nature of those who didn't get their way (See Brexit) and wonder where that may lead.
Trump may settle down and be ok, he may be an arse until it's all over.
Nothing will change regards moaning about it, though.
Can't you see you're "moaning" about the moaners? Surely people are allowed to express opinions and views? Causes for concern? Only that this is the second time I have seen the uttery vindictive nature of those who didn't get their way (See Brexit) and wonder where that may lead.
Trump may settle down and be ok, he may be an arse until it's all over.
Nothing will change regards moaning about it, though.
And as for getting their own way, Trump is a super example of someone who HAS to get his own way. But you want to moan about the moaners instead?
Digby said:
I just like the fact he's thrown the rule book out of the window.
Causes for concern? Only that this is the second time I have seen the uttery vindictive nature of those who didn't get their way
Ever wonder whether you have the right perspective on important things? Or whether your judgment is any goodCauses for concern? Only that this is the second time I have seen the uttery vindictive nature of those who didn't get their way
"I like it that he does what he wants and I don't like people complaining about it".
jmorgan said:
One of the reasons he is sitting where he is now, is because Trump. The buck stops there.
It was ever going to be when he started to make cast iron promises. The wall, the ban, stopping ISIS and pretty much the whole body language of Alpha Male going around a psiing on what Obama did because Obama.
Any time I witness parliamentary debates or battles for votes, false promises are almost always used as ammunition.It was ever going to be when he started to make cast iron promises. The wall, the ban, stopping ISIS and pretty much the whole body language of Alpha Male going around a psiing on what Obama did because Obama.
Saying things to win votes is nothing new. Even if he doesn't deliver, all we have here are a few more outlandish / bold claims compared to the regular 'slippery' types.
Digby said:
Alpinestars said:
Are you a Trump supporter? If so, do you see any shortcomings or causes for concern?
Not really an avid supporter, but then I'm not a non-supporter, either, I just like the fact he's thrown the rule book out of the window.Causes for concern? Only that this is the second time I have seen the uttery vindictive nature of those who didn't get their way (See Brexit) and wonder where that may lead.
Trump may settle down and be ok, he may be an arse until it's all over.
Nothing will change regards moaning about it, though.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/20...
Digby said:
Any time I witness parliamentary debates or battles for votes, false promises are almost always used as ammunition.
Saying things to win votes is nothing new. Even if he doesn't deliver, all we have here are a few more outlandish / bold claims compared to the regular 'slippery' types.
Always is, but the clue is in the thread title. Hence the commentary is following what he does. However a leader in Stoke has less effect on the world stage than a billionaire wth delusions of grandeur that can have a massive effect on the world. Saying things to win votes is nothing new. Even if he doesn't deliver, all we have here are a few more outlandish / bold claims compared to the regular 'slippery' types.
We did not let up on the Ed stone when that was in the news, Corbyn has his thread. May seems to be sneaking around under the radar and the SNP are taken to task in the thread somewhere.
p1stonhead said:
What do you think about the fact Spicer in 2016 said that banning any sort of press from the White House would be something akin to a dictatorship? This is something that presumably trump made him do yesterday.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/20...
He changed his mind? Realised how much of it is operated as a biased business?https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/20...
The opinions of having a free press have changed over the years.
We could fill the next 500 pages with how shocking and corrupt they can be and how for many of them, your opinion has to be their opinion or you may have a short career.
But who really knows? Maybe he had a gun at his head.
It's easy to scream "dictatorship", but Trump is hardly alone in hating what much of the press and media has become.
I'm impressed everyone continues to find things to get excited about around Trump.
The reality of it is a lot of noise about very little of real consequence so far.
Look at Rodrigo Duterte if you want to see a real example of the kind of thing some people seem to think Trump is. Yet so little comment or coverage...
The reality of it is a lot of noise about very little of real consequence so far.
Look at Rodrigo Duterte if you want to see a real example of the kind of thing some people seem to think Trump is. Yet so little comment or coverage...
But it indicates massive fragility and lack of confidence if you are unwilling to stand up to hard scrutiny. If you are confident in your strategy and policy, you should be WELCOMING criticism - so that you can defend your stance robustly.
Shutting down discussion and blocking the route to scrutiny is the action of a coward - or a megalomaniac.
Shutting down discussion and blocking the route to scrutiny is the action of a coward - or a megalomaniac.
Greg66 said:
Ever wonder whether you have the right perspective on important things? Or whether your judgment is any good
"I like it that he does what he wants and I don't like people complaining about it".
Complaining doesn't worry me in debate form. However, setting things on fire, throwing rocks etc and constantly abusing someone because you didn't get your way, had nothing better to do, or because you find it so easy to truly hate someone you never met, does."I like it that he does what he wants and I don't like people complaining about it".
Eric Mc said:
But it indicate massive fragility and lack of confidence if you are unwilling to stand up to hard scrutiny. If you are confident in your strategy and policy, you should be WELCOMING criticism - so that you can defend your stance robustly.
Shutting down discussion and blocking the route to scrutiny is the action of a coward - or a megalomaniac.
He said he welcomes bad stories about himself, so long as they are true.Shutting down discussion and blocking the route to scrutiny is the action of a coward - or a megalomaniac.
Can't argue with that.
Trust me, the media currently banned couldn't give a toss about the "free press" speeches of old, they want the ratings because that's how they survive.
By being told off, they are starting to realise their little towers of influence may start to crumble and that they may have to go back to operating how they should.
cookie118 said:
Digby said:
He said he welcomes bad stories about himself, so long as they are true.
Can't argue with that.
He really doesn't though does he, and he hasn't since day 1.Can't argue with that.
Otherwise why lie about the inauguration attendance?
He is upsetting a lot of people who actually did need upsetting particularly the media. We have also seen the true image of the liberal left as violent thugs no better than the far right violent thugs.
I think after a few months he will realise how much power he actually has and how he needs to bring more people with him.
I think after a few months he will realise how much power he actually has and how he needs to bring more people with him.
Digby said:
He said he welcomes bad stories about himself, so long as they are true.
Can't argue with that.
Trust me, the media currently banned couldn't give a toss about the "free press" speeches of old, they want the ratings because that's how they survive.
By being told off, they are starting to realise their little towers of influence may start to crumble and that they may have to go back to operating how they should.
You obviously don't understand how it works.Can't argue with that.
Trust me, the media currently banned couldn't give a toss about the "free press" speeches of old, they want the ratings because that's how they survive.
By being told off, they are starting to realise their little towers of influence may start to crumble and that they may have to go back to operating how they should.
If you think that a story about you or your policies is untrue, you don't react by shouting "liar" or "fake" or by sticking your fingers in your ears mumbling "la la la - I'm not listening".
That is the reaction of an under developed five year old.
Grown men stand up and fight their corner.
The action of barring news agencies from press conferences indicates to me someone who is extremely thin skinned and fragile.
He has obviously entered the kitchen and already can't stand the heat.
We shall see how long this nonsense can continue.
Digby said:
Complaining doesn't worry me in debate form. However, setting things on fire, throwing rocks etc and constantly abusing someone because you didn't get your way, had nothing better to do, or because you find it so easy to truly hate someone you never met, does.
Some of that is against forum rules. You don't like something, report it. As far as I'm aware, only one person has resorted to swearing at others and it looks like he got himself banned for another thread. And he wasn't anti Trump 
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