45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 2
Discussion
Eric Mc said:
In what way "effective"?
What is he achieving?
What is he TRYING to achieve?
To marginalize media sources that run misleading or false stories. No matter how much you might try to imply otherwise, multiple MSM sites ran and continue to run false or misleading stories. What is he achieving?
What is he TRYING to achieve?
Several also worked hand-in-glove with a political campaign to get a specific candidate elected. We have email evidence. Think about that.
The idea of a press in lockstep should be problematic for anyone interested in a free press. But I realize a certain portion of the populace finds the situation preferable. Confirmation bias and all.
scherzkeks said:
No matter how much you might try to imply otherwise, multiple MSM sites ran and continue to run false or misleading stories.
Thing is, you can replace "media"/"MSM" in the above with "the whitehouse" and still be 100% accurate.Don't kid yourself they are doing this out of some sort of chivalry, they're doing it because they hate criticism and their brand of bulls
t is more palatable to them.
roachcoach said:
scherzkeks said:
No matter how much you might try to imply otherwise, multiple MSM sites ran and continue to run false or misleading stories.
Thing is, you can replace "media"/"MSM" in the above with "the whitehouse" and still be 100% accurate.scherzkeks said:
roachcoach said:
scherzkeks said:
No matter how much you might try to imply otherwise, multiple MSM sites ran and continue to run false or misleading stories.
Thing is, you can replace "media"/"MSM" in the above with "the whitehouse" and still be 100% accurate.
Or have you managed yet to explain why the man himself claims to have a relationship with Putin which is now constantly denied, again, by the man himself?
scherzkeks said:
To marginalize media sources that run misleading or false stories. No matter how much you might try to imply otherwise, multiple MSM sites ran and continue to run false or misleading stories.
I doubt many people would disagree that a lot of the so-called MSM runs "misleading" stories, in the sense that they usually have a theme or a message and manipulate the facts of a story to fit. That's a step away from saying that they run "false" stories though.
Moreover, the proposed replacement for MSM outlets appears to be (1) the WH (which is hardly covering itself in glory on the truth front); and (2) the WH's preferred outlets, eg Fox, Breitbart. They are no less guilty of false and misleading reporting; arguably they are more guilty of misleading reporting, and (Fox perhaps aside) probably also false reporting.
But even if you put to one side the criticisms of the WH and the WH-favoured outlets, the fundamental question is whether this is an attempt to correct towards genuine balance/veracity or simply an attempt to peddle a different type of "false and misleading". Personally I see it as the latter. I've little doubt strong Trump supporters see it as the former. To make this work Trump has to persuade the 80% in the middle of the former though, not just the 10% at his end. That strikes me as completely futile.
The bottom line is that benign governments don't try to strongarm the media, so a government that does has its work cut out if it wants to maintain the appearance of being benign.
scherzkeks said:
roachcoach said:
scherzkeks said:
No matter how much you might try to imply otherwise, multiple MSM sites ran and continue to run false or misleading stories.
Thing is, you can replace "media"/"MSM" in the above with "the whitehouse" and still be 100% accurate.p1stonhead said:
scherzkeks said:
roachcoach said:
scherzkeks said:
No matter how much you might try to imply otherwise, multiple MSM sites ran and continue to run false or misleading stories.
Thing is, you can replace "media"/"MSM" in the above with "the whitehouse" and still be 100% accurate.But if you do believe that it's true, show me the evidence
scherzkeks said:
To marginalize media sources that challenge Trump. CORRECTION
Several also worked hand-in-glove with a political campaign to get a specific candidate elected. We have email evidence. Think about that.
The idea of a press in lockstep should be problematic for anyone interested in a free press. But I realize a certain portion of the populace finds the situation preferable. Confirmation bias and all.
Trump displays cmnfirmation bias 100% of the time. he cannot countenance one iota of dissent from his world view.Several also worked hand-in-glove with a political campaign to get a specific candidate elected. We have email evidence. Think about that.
The idea of a press in lockstep should be problematic for anyone interested in a free press. But I realize a certain portion of the populace finds the situation preferable. Confirmation bias and all.
And his supporters seem to share that view too.
Greg66 said:
The bottom line is that benign governments don't try to strongarm the media
That statement sounds great out of context. If we move it back to reality, where we have a corrupt set of MSM press outlets fully dedicated to a political establishment and institutions that profit off of the current neo-feudalistic politico-economic model, then things look rather different.
scherzkeks said:
Greg66 said:
The bottom line is that benign governments don't try to strongarm the media
That statement sounds great out of context. If we move it back to reality, where we have a corrupt set of MSM press outlets fully dedicated to a political establishment and institutions that profit off of the current neo-feudalistic politico-economic model, then things look rather different.
scherzkeks said:
Greg66 said:
The bottom line is that benign governments don't try to strongarm the media
That statement sounds great out of context. If we move it back to reality, where we have a corrupt set of MSM press outlets fully dedicated to a political establishment and institutions that profit off of the current neo-feudalistic politico-economic model, then things look rather different.
Not for the first time.
Just on the previous point about the U.S healthcare system, it is complicated and simply put even if he wanted to totally repeal obamacare, he can't do so without swamping the administration for most of the term. He knew this before he took office.
It will be tackled when he has less bigger fish to fry.
i have a post somewhere written by an american during the election which explains the healthcare system and how it works, when i have more free time i will pass it on.
It will be tackled when he has less bigger fish to fry.
i have a post somewhere written by an american during the election which explains the healthcare system and how it works, when i have more free time i will pass it on.
Greg66 said:
scherzkeks said:
Greg66 said:
The bottom line is that benign governments don't try to strongarm the media
That statement sounds great out of context. If we move it back to reality, where we have a corrupt set of MSM press outlets fully dedicated to a political establishment and institutions that profit off of the current neo-feudalistic politico-economic model, then things look rather different.
p1stonhead said:
scherzkeks said:
Greg66 said:
The bottom line is that benign governments don't try to strongarm the media
That statement sounds great out of context. If we move it back to reality, where we have a corrupt set of MSM press outlets fully dedicated to a political establishment and institutions that profit off of the current neo-feudalistic politico-economic model, then things look rather different.
t bingo card to liven up dull meetings.Carl_Manchester said:
Just on the previous point about the U.S healthcare system, it is complicated and simply put even if he wanted to totally repeal obamacare, he can't do so without swamping the administration for most of the term. He knew this before he took office.
It will be tackled when he has less bigger fish to fry.
i have a post somewhere written by an american during the election which explains the healthcare system and how it works, when i have more free time i will pass it on.
They probably expect people to die of old age before they've worked out what they should be doing.It will be tackled when he has less bigger fish to fry.
i have a post somewhere written by an american during the election which explains the healthcare system and how it works, when i have more free time i will pass it on.
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