45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 2

[roachcoach]

Murph7355 said:

roachcoach said:

That is the real crunch though, is it not?

If republicans voting against it as a result of pressure from their constituents then they are between a rock and a hard place.

We will not know until the time, however I would strongly suspect that given the fact that they are still backing Trump to the hilt that any dissenting voters would be as a result of pressure as opposed to principles which is why I wonder if it might backfire some.

I wouldn't like to be a congresscritter facing a president saying move it or lose it and on the other side a bunch of angry people who vote you in saying don't move.

I suspect I'm naive, but if their constituents are saying don't vote for it, I'd expect those congressmen to be lobbying Trump and his advisors and expressing the views of the proles. If they don't listen, then vote it down, explaining to your constituents why.

On the other hand, if they agree that this is as good a compromise for reform as is possible, they should be trying to sell that to people.

?

The "problem" with many Western systems right now is they are split so squarely down the middle that trying to fundamentally change anything is nigh on impossible. "Put up or shut up" in those circumstances may well end up being more successful one way or another than trying for an impossible consensus.

If we look at Brexit (as I'm more familiar with it) for example, how do you "consider the views of the large minority" if they are mutually exclusive to the larger majority (eg want FoM and don't want FoM). You cannot.

Well that's the thing isn't it? He's not really moving from his initial plan and has said if you vote it down then fk you all. It is a pretty dangerous game to play, if he forces the congress people to incur the wrath of the people who put them there he may find he's storing up a lot of trouble down the line. This does assume they are not leaning against it just to stir the pot - a guess but an educated one based on how much they have protected him thus far.



In general terms I'd say peoples actual problem is an unwillingness to meet in the middle or compromise in any shape or form. Peoples default action when the debate starts is to get their backs up and be as stubborn as possible very early on.

I wouldn't let my kids bicker with each other the way people do about politics, it's a damning indictment of current behaviours to be truthful.

[p1stonhead]

scherzkeks said:

p1stonhead said:

scherzkeks said:

p1stonhead said:

scherzkeks said:

p1stonhead said:

scherzkeks said:

p1stonhead said:

scherzkeks said:

Brilliant summary of many of the events of the past few months from PCR. Truth teller -- never disappoints.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-23/paul-crai...

Truth Teller indeed.....

On Sandy Hook
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/03/01/sandy-h...
What is disturbing to me is that I do not know if Sandy Hook is a real event or a hoax.

On the Orlando Nightclub Shooting
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/06/13/orlando...
So has anyone seen any dead bodies? Any body bags? Any wounded taken to hospitals in ambulances? Any of the hospital wounded interviewed by TV reporters? Has any reporter checked with the morgue?

Pathetic excuse of a human being. As are you if you think hes right.

Edited by p1stonhead on Friday 24th March 10:08

He has had an extremely distinguished career both in govt. and the private sector. He's also a critical thinker. Something foreign to you.

I see no issues with either of those articles.

Says it all but not unexpected from you.

Another post in which namecalling and attempted shaming subsitutes for content.

Do you think the Sandy Hook massacre happened?

I think you are doing well at shaming yourself mate

Did you even read the article? You would appear not to understand PCR's position.

More ironic namecalling to ensue, no doubt.

The below quote are directly from his article.

"What is disturbing to me is that I do not know if Sandy Hook is a real event or a hoax."

"Was Sandy Hook a drill that was turned into a public hoax by the use of doctored photos in the interest of an agenda?"

"Why not instead produce the death certificates of the murdered children if not photos? Why not prove with utility bills, school bus routes, and other evidence that the school was in operation and not closed due to numerous problems that the school is claimed to have had?"

"In place of evidence such as bodies, body bags, death certificates, we have what appear to be faked photographs. Why?"

These means he isnt sure it happened. That means he is mental.

Edited by p1stonhead on Friday 24th March 10:51

Yes, that would be demonstrative of critical thinking.

Perhaps edit your post again, it reinforces your insecurity on the topic.

You call it critical thinking. Anyone with a brain calls him/you a conspiracy nutcase.

[scherzkeks]

p1stonhead said:

scherzkeks said:

p1stonhead said:

scherzkeks said:

p1stonhead said:

scherzkeks said:

p1stonhead said:

scherzkeks said:

p1stonhead said:

scherzkeks said:

Brilliant summary of many of the events of the past few months from PCR. Truth teller -- never disappoints.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-23/paul-crai...

Truth Teller indeed.....

On Sandy Hook
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/03/01/sandy-h...
What is disturbing to me is that I do not know if Sandy Hook is a real event or a hoax.

On the Orlando Nightclub Shooting
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/06/13/orlando...
So has anyone seen any dead bodies? Any body bags? Any wounded taken to hospitals in ambulances? Any of the hospital wounded interviewed by TV reporters? Has any reporter checked with the morgue?

Pathetic excuse of a human being. As are you if you think hes right.

Edited by p1stonhead on Friday 24th March 10:08

He has had an extremely distinguished career both in govt. and the private sector. He's also a critical thinker. Something foreign to you.

I see no issues with either of those articles.

Says it all but not unexpected from you.

Another post in which namecalling and attempted shaming subsitutes for content.

Do you think the Sandy Hook massacre happened?

I think you are doing well at shaming yourself mate

Did you even read the article? You would appear not to understand PCR's position.

More ironic namecalling to ensue, no doubt.

The below quote are directly from his article.

"What is disturbing to me is that I do not know if Sandy Hook is a real event or a hoax."

"Was Sandy Hook a drill that was turned into a public hoax by the use of doctored photos in the interest of an agenda?"

"Why not instead produce the death certificates of the murdered children if not photos? Why not prove with utility bills, school bus routes, and other evidence that the school was in operation and not closed due to numerous problems that the school is claimed to have had?"

"In place of evidence such as bodies, body bags, death certificates, we have what appear to be faked photographs. Why?"

These means he isnt sure it happened. That means he is mental.

Edited by p1stonhead on Friday 24th March 10:51

Yes, that would be demonstrative of critical thinking.

Perhaps edit your post again, it reinforces your insecurity on the topic.

You call it critical thinking. Anyone with a brain calls him/you a conspiracy nutcase.

I personally have no opinion on SH. Don't know enough. I respect that PCR is openly critical of it, particularly given his distinguished background.

I am amused by your insecurity on and inability to discuss the issue.

[jjlynn27]

Murph7355 said:

jjlynn27 said:

Don't think he was voted in on the basis of healthcare.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp...

Doesn't that link suggest exactly the opposite? The chap in the article felt Trump would deal with the addiction his son died of. What he's pissed at is the reforms now being proposed pull the plug on elements that might have helped addiction...?

Clumsily worded on my part. He wasn't voted in on the basis of proposed healthcare bill. At least this poor guy voted for him based on;


What's really sad that Americans had to chose between HRC and DJT.

eta formating

Edited by jjlynn27 on Friday 24th March 12:17

[anonymous-user]

scherzkeks said:

p1stonhead said:

scherzkeks said:

p1stonhead said:

The below quote are directly from his article.

"What is disturbing to me is that I do not know if Sandy Hook is a real event or a hoax."

"Was Sandy Hook a drill that was turned into a public hoax by the use of doctored photos in the interest of an agenda?"

"Why not instead produce the death certificates of the murdered children if not photos? Why not prove with utility bills, school bus routes, and other evidence that the school was in operation and not closed due to numerous problems that the school is claimed to have had?"

"In place of evidence such as bodies, body bags, death certificates, we have what appear to be faked photographs. Why?"

These means he isnt sure it happened. That means he is mental.

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 24th March 10:51

Yes, that would be demonstrative of critical thinking.

Perhaps edit your post again, it reinforces your insecurity on the topic.

You call it critical thinking. Anyone with a brain calls him/you a conspiracy nutcase.

I personally have no opinion on SH. Don't know enough. I respect that PCR is openly critical of it, particularly given his distinguished background.

I am amused by your insecurity on and inability to discuss the issue.

It is not "critical thinking" to question whether school children were shot dead at Sandy Hook. It is crass stupidity.

It is facile to hide behind "I have no opinion on Sandy Hook. Don't know enough".

Your posts on this topic are offensive generally, and specifically inane with the "insecurity" card.

You've outed yourself now as a 911 conspiracy theorist, and a Sandy Hook doubter. Want to add the moon landings to make up the set?

[johnfm]

To be honest chaps, not sure it is worth engaging with people with such a belief system. Just leave them to their tin foil hats.

[Zod]

p1stonhead said:

scherzkeks said:

Brilliant summary of many of the events of the past few months from PCR. Truth teller -- never disappoints.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-23/paul-crai...

Truth Teller indeed.....

On Sandy Hook
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/03/01/sandy-h...
What is disturbing to me is that I do not know if Sandy Hook is a real event or a hoax.

On the Orlando Nightclub Shooting
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/06/13/orlando...
So has anyone seen any dead bodies? Any body bags? Any wounded taken to hospitals in ambulances? Any of the hospital wounded interviewed by TV reporters? Has any reporter checked with the morgue?

Pathetic excuse of a human being. As are you if you think hes right.

Edited by p1stonhead on Friday 24th March 10:08

A typical scherzkeks source, I'm afraid.

[Zod]

Greg66 said:

It is not "critical thinking" to question whether school children were shot dead at Sandy Hook. It is crass stupidity.

It is facile to hide behind "I have no opinion on Sandy Hook. Don't know enough".

Your posts on this topic are offensive generally, and specifically inane with the "insecurity" card.

You've outed yourself now as a 911 conspiracy theorist, and a Sandy Hook doubter. Want to add the moon landings to make up the set?

I've been waiting for scherzkeks to add the moon landings for quite a while. Come on, you know you want to....

[johnfm]

Zod said:

Greg66 said:

It is not "critical thinking" to question whether school children were shot dead at Sandy Hook. It is crass stupidity.

It is facile to hide behind "I have no opinion on Sandy Hook. Don't know enough".

Your posts on this topic are offensive generally, and specifically inane with the "insecurity" card.

You've outed yourself now as a 911 conspiracy theorist, and a Sandy Hook doubter. Want to add the moon landings to make up the set?

I've been waiting for scherzkeks to add the moon landings for quite a while. Come on, you know you want to....

You mean the purported moon landings...

[Eric Mc]

Please no - not that.

But, being serious for sec, it does seem that there is an unusually large contingent of those who are prone to believing conspiracies of various sorts in the "Trump" camp.

Maybe the loons really have taken over the asylum. It was bound to happen some day.

[Zod]

What's the latest on Pizzagate, scherzkeks?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/03/24/t...

[jmorgan]

He has already courted Alex Jones, head loon, and Gateway Pundit were given a press pass at the White House the other week. Google the latter at your peril, bat s... mental. Almost a fight the other week between the staffer of gateway and another press corp person.

[rscott]

Zod said:

Greg66 said:

It is not "critical thinking" to question whether school children were shot dead at Sandy Hook. It is crass stupidity.

It is facile to hide behind "I have no opinion on Sandy Hook. Don't know enough".

Your posts on this topic are offensive generally, and specifically inane with the "insecurity" card.

You've outed yourself now as a 911 conspiracy theorist, and a Sandy Hook doubter. Want to add the moon landings to make up the set?

I've been waiting for scherzkeks to add the moon landings for quite a while. Come on, you know you want to....

Flat earther too, do you think?

[Europa1]

scherzkeks said:

I personally have no opinion on SH. Don't know enough. I respect that PCR is openly critical of it, particularly given his distinguished background.

I am amused by your insecurity on and inability to discuss the issue.

Please, I'm on tenterhooks: how did Princess Diana die?

[johnfm]

Europa1 said:

scherzkeks said:

I personally have no opinion on SH. Don't know enough. I respect that PCR is openly critical of it, particularly given his distinguished background.

I am amused by your insecurity on and inability to discuss the issue.

Please, I'm on tenterhooks: how did Princess Diana die?

You're assuming she is dead.

She is shacked up with Elvis.

[berlintaxi]

Can we not all chip in and buy the big orange one a truck to play with for the next 4 years?



Stop him doing anything else.

[ou sont les biscuits]

johnfm said:

Europa1 said:

scherzkeks said:

I personally have no opinion on SH. Don't know enough. I respect that PCR is openly critical of it, particularly given his distinguished background.

I am amused by your insecurity on and inability to discuss the issue.

Please, I'm on tenterhooks: how did Princess Diana die?

You're assuming she is dead.

She is shacked up with Elvis.

No, you got it wrong. No way would the fragrant Princess shack up with an overweight uncouth American.

She's with Lord Lucan.

[TTwiggy]

Eric Mc said:

Please no - not that.

But, being serious for sec, it does seem that there is an unusually large contingent of those who are prone to believing conspiracies of various sorts in the "Trump" camp.

Maybe the loons really have taken over the asylum. It was bound to happen some day.

The Alt-Right as a whole seems to have quite a thing for conspiracy theories. There was a time when conspiracy theorists were a daft, but ultimately harmless, collection of old hippies, geeks and misfits. You might even enjoy a conversation with one, provided you kept them at arm's length. Now it seems the basis of a whole political movement.

[Eric Mc]

It obviously stems from their underlying belief that governments lie 100% of the time - so ANY statement by a government - or any programme run by a government, must, in their world view, be fake.

It is a form of cultish thought process that has been given a form of legitimacy by the fact that they can now communicate with each other easily over the internet where they can generally reinforce their delusions by mutual agreement and support.

[unrepentant]

ou sont les biscuits said:

johnfm said:

Europa1 said:

scherzkeks said:

I personally have no opinion on SH. Don't know enough. I respect that PCR is openly critical of it, particularly given his distinguished background.

I am amused by your insecurity on and inability to discuss the issue.

Please, I'm on tenterhooks: how did Princess Diana die?

You're assuming she is dead.

She is shacked up with Elvis.

No, you got it wrong. No way would the fragrant Princess shack up with an overweight uncouth American.

She's with Lord Lucan.

She died of shame when Trump suggested that he could have slept with her.