45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 2
Discussion
p1stonhead said:
It's the Democrats fault according to Trump as they didn't support his bill 
Sign really of the broken political system.Before today's era of partisanship allot of legislation was passed with the support of centrists from both sides of the house.
Obamacare has severe problems.
Large premium increases for those who have to fund their own insurance (whose numbers are forecast to grow by millions as many employers withdraw coverage) and Insurers withdrawing from many exchanges reducing choice.
One third of counties now only have one insurer offering coverage via the Obamacare exchanges.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements...
The question is whether Obamacare is in a "death spiral" and will die if left to itself (as many Republicans claim), or will survive but offer coverage to less people, at a higher cost.
Either way it is by no means a "perfect" system, but that is what America is left with as its politicians cannot agree on a replacement.
Trumps approval rating amongst the people who elected him is very high which I guess is what he cares about. The Democrats to a man or woman would never say he is doing a good job so its pretty much a waste of time if it is intended to have a pop at him. I honestly don't think stuff like this evens registers with him it may please the Democrats but not many others the country is very polarised at the moment.
johnxjsc1985 said:
Tankrizzo said:
This is fast making Dubya's presidency look amazing.
the fact it show him in a more favourable light than Obama shows the approval ratings a bit of nonsense.Convenient that any NEGATIVE polls are fake news
Edited by p1stonhead on Saturday 25th March 08:57
johnxjsc1985 said:
p1stonhead said:
Of course it's nonsense when it says Trump is nosediving
Convenient.
do you ever have a moment where you read your stuff before you post. all you do is try to insult other forum members or use the term" Racist" as often as possible. Its kind of boring.Convenient.
johnxjsc1985 said:
Tankrizzo said:
This is fast making Dubya's presidency look amazing.
the fact it show him in a more favourable light than Obama shows the approval ratings a bit of nonsense.If the majority of Americans voted for Obama and to my understanding a greater number voted for that witch HRC, I would guess added to the deep controversy Trump caused that his approvals would be low.
I don't see why Trump supporters can never agree when he is wrong / fails or shown to be poor in comparison to other presidents?
He is 60 odd days into the worlds most powerful job with zero political experience, perhaps he needs to find his feet and how his approach needs to differ between business / politics.
I am 100% neutral in this, I despise HRC and dislike Trump, two poor choices for such a country.
johnxjsc1985 said:
the fact it show him in a more favourable light than Obama shows the approval ratings a bit of nonsense.
Oh indeed, I think we can see from the last couple of years that polls are fairly worthless for drawing conclusions at the moment. I meant more the general air of incompetence coming out of the White House every week about one thing or another.I was quite happy to give Trump a chance but nearly everything his administration has touched since coming to office has been a disaster.
johnxjsc1985 said:
Trumps approval rating amongst the people who elected him is very high which I guess is what he cares about. The Democrats to a man or woman would never say he is doing a good job so its pretty much a waste of time if it is intended to have a pop at him. I honestly don't think stuff like this evens registers with him it may please the Democrats but not many others the country is very polarised at the moment.
Trump is very concerned about popularity, see his response to media criticism and even Streeps oscar comments. He is certainly bothered by ratings. What other president would go on social media and childishly respond to actors who take the mickey out of him. Colonial said:
...Stop being so politically correct about these things, and stop protecting the snowflakes from reality.
My colleagues would laugh at that 
There'll be extremes that can't be persuaded, but deriding them won't help.
Alpinestars said:
It's all a bit of fun chap. Get over yourself.
Fun as in you're jesting? In which case make it a bit more obvious perhaps.Fund as in having a dig at people you think are stupid? Maybe I am getting a bit too PC these days as that doesn't seem..."not stupid".
jmorgan said:
Well, you could. But what could have been done better here? Still many without care, was Trumps plan any good and the GOP scuppered him? Some alt news commentary have the daggers out for the speaker, not Trump of course. Wonder who is driving that.
Some alt reality also getting their knickers in a twist over a live bug on an interview and screaming "see, told you they lied".
Muppets.
From the reports I'm seeing (granted our media) the issue he seems to have is that a chunk of Republicans want even heavier cuts, and some think he's going too far.Some alt reality also getting their knickers in a twist over a live bug on an interview and screaming "see, told you they lied".
Muppets.
In trying to bridge that gap (one assumes that is what he and his advisers have done) he's left in a no win situation. And the Democrats won't support him "because Trump" (to use that phrase).
Looked at like that, he doesn't actually "have Congress" etc.
It seems to me that enough people think St Obama's system needs to be changed (they voted Trump in, and the Republicans in congress aren't saying "no change" is needed, they just can't agree the level of change), but getting any sort of agreement seems to be impossible.
Do we think a more erudite, experienced politician would be handling this any better in terms of outcome? I'm not convinced. Maybe he shouldn't have had it as foundation of his election and maybe a more seasoned politician wouldn't have? But then the electorate evidently want change.
It's a right old mess. And I'm not convinced Trump is solely to blame. But then thinking this labels one a Trump advocate, snowflake protector etc
The fundamental issues underpinning this sort of thing are fr more interesting than laughing at someone because we think they're stupid, have daft hair, too much fake tan or play too much golf
jjlynn27 said:
Approval ratings 60 days in.
Presidential approval ratings
3/18/17 Donald Trump 37%
3/21/09 Barack Obama 63%
3/27/01 George W. Bush 53%
3/13/93 Bill Clinton 53%
3/12/89 George H.W. Bush 56%
3/15/81 Ronald Reagan 60%
3/20/77 Jimmy Carter 75%
Source: CBS interactive
You don't have to be liked to be good.Presidential approval ratings
3/18/17 Donald Trump 37%
3/21/09 Barack Obama 63%
3/27/01 George W. Bush 53%
3/13/93 Bill Clinton 53%
3/12/89 George H.W. Bush 56%
3/15/81 Ronald Reagan 60%
3/20/77 Jimmy Carter 75%
Source: CBS interactive
The US and global economies are starting to soar now the dust has settled after Brexit and Trump. The lefties do not like it, and are desperate to deny it, but the world economy is seeing a "Trump bump" due to increased confidence. The global outlook for 2017 is actually very good.
Murph7355 said:
From the reports I'm seeing (granted our media) the issue he seems to have is that a chunk of Republicans want even heavier cuts, and some think he's going too far.
In trying to bridge that gap (one assumes that is what he and his advisers have done) he's left in a no win situation. And the Democrats won't support him "because Trump" (to use that phrase).
Looked at like that, he doesn't actually "have Congress" etc.
It seems to me that enough people think St Obama's system needs to be changed (they voted Trump in, and the Republicans in congress aren't saying "no change" is needed, they just can't agree the level of change), but getting any sort of agreement seems to be impossible.
Exactly In trying to bridge that gap (one assumes that is what he and his advisers have done) he's left in a no win situation. And the Democrats won't support him "because Trump" (to use that phrase).
Looked at like that, he doesn't actually "have Congress" etc.
It seems to me that enough people think St Obama's system needs to be changed (they voted Trump in, and the Republicans in congress aren't saying "no change" is needed, they just can't agree the level of change), but getting any sort of agreement seems to be impossible.
A generation ago probably a deal could have been reached with centrist Democrats to reform the system and ignore the more extreme Republicans who wont support any expansion of welfare. That is not possible anymore due to the extreme partisanship of American politics.
In a system where power is shared between three bodies if no side is willing to work with the other the result is grid lock. A post below said that the point of the democrats is to oppose, well no, the point of congress is to pass legislation that will benefit Americans not blindly oppose the other side in all things.
Yipper said:
jjlynn27 said:
Approval ratings 60 days in.
Presidential approval ratings
3/18/17 Donald Trump 37%
3/21/09 Barack Obama 63%
3/27/01 George W. Bush 53%
3/13/93 Bill Clinton 53%
3/12/89 George H.W. Bush 56%
3/15/81 Ronald Reagan 60%
3/20/77 Jimmy Carter 75%
Source: CBS interactive
You don't have to be liked to be good.Presidential approval ratings
3/18/17 Donald Trump 37%
3/21/09 Barack Obama 63%
3/27/01 George W. Bush 53%
3/13/93 Bill Clinton 53%
3/12/89 George H.W. Bush 56%
3/15/81 Ronald Reagan 60%
3/20/77 Jimmy Carter 75%
Source: CBS interactive
The US and global economies are starting to soar now the dust has settled after Brexit and Trump. The lefties do not like it, and are desperate to deny it, but the world economy is seeing a "Trump bump" due to increased confidence. The global outlook for 2017 is actually very good.
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