45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 2
Discussion
Carl_Manchester said:
sorry, going to have to go against the grain on this one.
as i posted in January there was no way obamacare was going to be replaced.
trump knew this during the campaign and he knew it when he took office however, he commuted to the vote to win strong support from the extreme end of the republican party.
he is shrewd enough not to let his define his term, there are bigger fishes to fry.
trump and bannon could not give 50p about obamacare and neither can the majority of the american people.
if was simply done to tick a box, an election promise, nobody really wanted it apart from big business and their shills.
the administration can now move on to do more important things whilst the liberal media sqwark on like this was actually going to happen.
One by one, almost everything he stood for is failing and being written off as "unimportant things he knew couldn't happen - now he can focus on the important stuff" but WHAT important stuff??as i posted in January there was no way obamacare was going to be replaced.
trump knew this during the campaign and he knew it when he took office however, he commuted to the vote to win strong support from the extreme end of the republican party.
he is shrewd enough not to let his define his term, there are bigger fishes to fry.
trump and bannon could not give 50p about obamacare and neither can the majority of the american people.
if was simply done to tick a box, an election promise, nobody really wanted it apart from big business and their shills.
the administration can now move on to do more important things whilst the liberal media sqwark on like this was actually going to happen.
All he does is f
k up and fail to execute his pledges. At what point does he start getting the real work done and what form does the real work take?I'm utterly baffled how at this point, anyone can still think he's a shrewd operator who is getting stuff done. He's a bumbling clown who hasn't the first clue how to run a country.
My only hope is that after years of commentators castigating politicians for being 'career politicians' and 'never having real job', we realise that maybe being a politician isn't such a bad thing when your job is 'politician'. You can't run a country like a business, it seems...
Disastrous said:
My only hope is that after years of commentators castigating politicians for being 'career politicians' and 'never having real job', we realise that maybe being a politician isn't such a bad thing when your job is 'politician'. You can't run a country like a business, it seems...
You probably could, if you were a decent businessman. http://fortune.com/2015/08/20/donald-trump-index-f...
This particular version of this story is the one that makes it look worst for Trump - in truth since the day he inherited he has marginally outperformed the S&P 500. But if you consider how well a proper businessman has done over the period that looks rather abysmal.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/warren-buffett-berks...
JagLover said:
Murph7355 said:
From the reports I'm seeing (granted our media) the issue he seems to have is that a chunk of Republicans want even heavier cuts, and some think he's going too far.
In trying to bridge that gap (one assumes that is what he and his advisers have done) he's left in a no win situation. And the Democrats won't support him "because Trump" (to use that phrase).
Looked at like that, he doesn't actually "have Congress" etc.
It seems to me that enough people think St Obama's system needs to be changed (they voted Trump in, and the Republicans in congress aren't saying "no change" is needed, they just can't agree the level of change), but getting any sort of agreement seems to be impossible.
Exactly In trying to bridge that gap (one assumes that is what he and his advisers have done) he's left in a no win situation. And the Democrats won't support him "because Trump" (to use that phrase).
Looked at like that, he doesn't actually "have Congress" etc.
It seems to me that enough people think St Obama's system needs to be changed (they voted Trump in, and the Republicans in congress aren't saying "no change" is needed, they just can't agree the level of change), but getting any sort of agreement seems to be impossible.
A generation ago probably a deal could have been reached with centrist Democrats to reform the system and ignore the more extreme Republicans who wont support any expansion of welfare. That is not possible anymore due to the extreme partisanship of American politics.
In a system where power is shared between three bodies if no side is willing to work with the other the result is grid lock. A post below said that the point of the democrats is to oppose, well no, the point of congress is to pass legislation that will benefit Americans not blindly oppose the other side in all things.
Far as i can see, Trumpcare's failure was down to his own party, not the opposition.
You kind of expect that the opposition party will adopt an opposing view.
What you DON'T want is your own party adopting an opposing view. If you have that going on, you need to look very carefully at the techniques you are using to persuade and cajole your own people.
It seems to me that Trump has not got a single clue as to how this needs to be done in the context of governmental bargaining.
As I said earlier - perhaps he doesn't care. With people like Bannon in the background whispering "It doesn't matter Donald - none of those Congressmen really matter. Just go over their heads and talk directly to your supporters".
However, until the moment when Congress is shut down and Trump becomes the great dictator of the US, he had better learn how to play the Washington game - or otherwise he will get nothing done.
What you DON'T want is your own party adopting an opposing view. If you have that going on, you need to look very carefully at the techniques you are using to persuade and cajole your own people.
It seems to me that Trump has not got a single clue as to how this needs to be done in the context of governmental bargaining.
As I said earlier - perhaps he doesn't care. With people like Bannon in the background whispering "It doesn't matter Donald - none of those Congressmen really matter. Just go over their heads and talk directly to your supporters".
However, until the moment when Congress is shut down and Trump becomes the great dictator of the US, he had better learn how to play the Washington game - or otherwise he will get nothing done.
Eric Mc said:
You kind of expect that the opposition party will adopt an opposing view.
What you DON'T want is your own party adopting an opposing view. If you have that going on, you need to look very carefully at the techniques you are using to persuade and cajole your own people.
It seems to me that Trump has not got a single clue as to how this needs to be done in the context of governmental bargaining.
As I said earlier - perhaps he doesn't care. With people like Bannon in the background whispering "It doesn't matter Donald - none of those Congressmen really matter. Just go over their heads and talk directly to your supporters".
However, until the moment when Congress is shut down and Trump becomes the great dictator of the US, he had better learn how to play the Washington game - or otherwise he will get nothing done.
I think it's fairly obvious he thought he would be CEO of America like he is with his business and the world would bow down to his title. He is quickly finding out how little direct power he has. What you DON'T want is your own party adopting an opposing view. If you have that going on, you need to look very carefully at the techniques you are using to persuade and cajole your own people.
It seems to me that Trump has not got a single clue as to how this needs to be done in the context of governmental bargaining.
As I said earlier - perhaps he doesn't care. With people like Bannon in the background whispering "It doesn't matter Donald - none of those Congressmen really matter. Just go over their heads and talk directly to your supporters".
However, until the moment when Congress is shut down and Trump becomes the great dictator of the US, he had better learn how to play the Washington game - or otherwise he will get nothing done.
Eric Mc said:
You kind of expect that the opposition party will adopt an opposing view.
What you DON'T want is your own party adopting an opposing view. If you have that going on, you need to look very carefully at the techniques you are using to persuade and cajole your own people.
It seems to me that Trump has not got a single clue as to how this needs to be done in the context of governmental bargaining.
Agreed, it's very curious to say the least.What you DON'T want is your own party adopting an opposing view. If you have that going on, you need to look very carefully at the techniques you are using to persuade and cajole your own people.
It seems to me that Trump has not got a single clue as to how this needs to be done in the context of governmental bargaining.
I thought I heard Trump say something to Congress that what they write will be signed off so they won't be wasting their time during his period in office. Clearly he was aware of the situation with regard to both Houses.
In that light, and my lack of detail around the Americal legislative process, w(hy)tf didn't Trump get his proposed legislation drafted using Congress - the impression is that his core team had a think for half an hour and dumped the proceeds on Congress expecting a fait accompli.
With both Houses on-side surely allowing for Congress to frame legislation is the way to carry a vote. Even for the Trumparians of this world.
That said, it's a relatively common affliction. How in the name of Neil Kinnock did the PM and her Chancellor not think to get some soundings on business rates before the budget rather than afterwards when the Chancellor had already opened his mouth and put his foot in it.
Surely the art of politics isn't on the way to becoming a lost art...
JagLover said:
Murph7355 said:
From the reports I'm seeing (granted our media) the issue he seems to have is that a chunk of Republicans want even heavier cuts, and some think he's going too far.
In trying to bridge that gap (one assumes that is what he and his advisers have done) he's left in a no win situation. And the Democrats won't support him "because Trump" (to use that phrase).
Looked at like that, he doesn't actually "have Congress" etc.
It seems to me that enough people think St Obama's system needs to be changed (they voted Trump in, and the Republicans in congress aren't saying "no change" is needed, they just can't agree the level of change), but getting any sort of agreement seems to be impossible.
Exactly In trying to bridge that gap (one assumes that is what he and his advisers have done) he's left in a no win situation. And the Democrats won't support him "because Trump" (to use that phrase).
Looked at like that, he doesn't actually "have Congress" etc.
It seems to me that enough people think St Obama's system needs to be changed (they voted Trump in, and the Republicans in congress aren't saying "no change" is needed, they just can't agree the level of change), but getting any sort of agreement seems to be impossible.
A generation ago probably a deal could have been reached with centrist Democrats to reform the system and ignore the more extreme Republicans who wont support any expansion of welfare. That is not possible anymore due to the extreme partisanship of American politics.
In a system where power is shared between three bodies if no side is willing to work with the other the result is grid lock. A post below said that the point of the democrats is to oppose, well no, the point of congress is to pass legislation that will benefit Americans not blindly oppose the other side in all things.
No democrat (or other decent human being) will ever vote for a bill that removes cover from 24 million Americans. I was listening to a GOP congressman from NY this morning who spoke a lot of sense, there are some out there. Maybe moderate republicans can join together with democrats and bring forward a bill to make the changes to the ACA that are needed without disadvantaging the very people it was designed to help. Then we'll see if Trump will sign it.
I genuinely believe he doesn't understand how video recording works.
Does he know it's possible to keep video records of things?
https://twitter.com/blackmajiik/status/84552966116...
Does he know it's possible to keep video records of things?
https://twitter.com/blackmajiik/status/84552966116...
Halb said:
Mr Tracy said:
Trump blaming Democrats for not voting, no mention of the GOP who didn't support it.
That puts a trillion dollar hole in the tax reform policy now too.
Been a tad busy lately with keeping up with the goings on. The bill has failed, don't the GoP rule congress? How did it fail?That puts a trillion dollar hole in the tax reform policy now too.
The House Freedom Caucus (the artist formally known as the Tea Party) said Trumpcare wasn’t conservative enough and wanted it cut right back, completely eliminating any elements of Obamacare.
But other Republicans got worried that these cuts would cause many of their constituents to lose insurance coverage.
Trump tried to please both sides and in the end didn’t really please either, except for the suck rats.
Oh, and no Democrats voted for it, which is sad. Also, Ivanka and Jared Kushner, Trump’s senior adviser, went skiing in Aspen, even sadder.
By the way, did you know that Jared Kushner has been put in charge of government I.T. spending and procuring peace in the Middle East?!
Disastrous said:
Genuine question - why has no journalist set him up for a trap yet?
It would be super easy in a press conference to play back some of his own bullst to him and call him out on it in front of the room, no? Also hilarious.
Which is why Trump only does interviews with friendly journo's eg Fox News It would be super easy in a press conference to play back some of his own bulls
t to him and call him out on it in front of the room, no? Also hilarious.Disastrous said:
One by one, almost everything he stood for is failing and being written off as "unimportant things he knew couldn't happen - now he can focus on the important stuff" but WHAT important stuff??
From a technical standpoint it was an impossible job to replace Obamacare, anyone who understands the U.S medical system will know that its just too complicated to un-wind the Obamacare act in short order regardless of political will.On this particular issue, from a political standpoint Trump has played himself into a win-win situation on this because he has kept grass roots working class voters happy whilst giving the hard-liner republicans (backed by big pharma) clear backing by trying to get the changes through.
Now he can open his hands to both sides of the party and say to them - I tried but we lost the vote. Privately it will be a relief because he can park this come re-election and actually win more votes because he won't campaign on this issue again.
In terms of the important stuff, not to repeat past posts as I feel I have posted enough on that. The main thing Trump/Bannon want is tied to the $1trn USD Infrastructure plan and to start to un-wind the affects of globalisation on the working class, everything else is window dressing.
Disastrous said:
Genuine question - why has no journalist set him up for a trap yet?
It would be super easy in a press conference to play back some of his own bullst to him and call him out on it in front of the room, no? Also hilarious.
Here's one where he looks a fool, especially as he tried to worm out of it with, 'I meant Republicans': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUod8yzzvvcIt would be super easy in a press conference to play back some of his own bulls
t to him and call him out on it in front of the room, no? Also hilarious.El stovey said:
Yipper said:
You don't have to be liked to be good.
The US and global economies are starting to soar now the dust has settled after Brexit and Trump. The lefties do not like it, and are desperate to deny it, but the world economy is seeing a "Trump bump" due to increased confidence. The global outlook for 2017 is actually very good.
Your trump,bump isn't a new phenomenon, most new presidents see a stock market increase.The US and global economies are starting to soar now the dust has settled after Brexit and Trump. The lefties do not like it, and are desperate to deny it, but the world economy is seeing a "Trump bump" due to increased confidence. The global outlook for 2017 is actually very good.
Trumps is nothing notable or special at all.
It's largely driven by tweeting about tax breaks for corporations and banks. I can't really see how this will improve life for Americans wanting a redistribution of wealth or sorting out(liberal) elites.
Rising evidence that Trump is failing to deliver on many of his promises will undoubtedly reduce confidence.
Trump being criticized by Drudge, Ingraham, Lifezette. Ryan by Breitbart. The right are in revolt, the center and left already were. David Gergen, who served Nixon, Ford and Reagan described Trump's first 100 days the "worst of any presidency". Time to hand over to someone who knows what they're doing Don.
unrepentant said:
Trump being criticized by Drudge, Ingraham, Lifezette. Ryan by Breitbart. The right are in revolt, the center and left already were. David Gergen, who served Nixon, Ford and Reagan described Trump's first 100 days the "worst of any presidency". Time to hand over to someone who knows what they're doing Don.
Pence?Halb said:
unrepentant said:
Trump being criticized by Drudge, Ingraham, Lifezette. Ryan by Breitbart. The right are in revolt, the center and left already were. David Gergen, who served Nixon, Ford and Reagan described Trump's first 100 days the "worst of any presidency". Time to hand over to someone who knows what they're doing Don.
Pence?Trump is impotent due to him not knowing anything. Pence will get things done and that's scarier cos he is properly insane.
p1stonhead said:
Halb said:
unrepentant said:
Trump being criticized by Drudge, Ingraham, Lifezette. Ryan by Breitbart. The right are in revolt, the center and left already were. David Gergen, who served Nixon, Ford and Reagan described Trump's first 100 days the "worst of any presidency". Time to hand over to someone who knows what they're doing Don.
Pence?Trump is impotent due to him not knowing anything. Pence will get things done and that's scarier cos he is properly insane.
Carl_Manchester said:
From a technical standpoint it was an impossible job to replace Obamacare, anyone who understands the U.S medical system will know that its just too complicated to un-wind the Obamacare act in short order regardless of political will.
On this particular issue, from a political standpoint Trump has played himself into a win-win situation on this because he has kept grass roots working class voters happy whilst giving the hard-liner republicans (backed by big pharma) clear backing by trying to get the changes through.
Now he can open his hands to both sides of the party and say to them - I tried but we lost the vote. Privately it will be a relief because he can park this come re-election and actually win more votes because he won't campaign on this issue again.
In terms of the important stuff, not to repeat past posts as I feel I have posted enough on that. The main thing Trump/Bannon want is tied to the $1trn USD Infrastructure plan and to start to un-wind the affects of globalisation on the working class, everything else is window dressing.
Any other stuff he's going to fOn this particular issue, from a political standpoint Trump has played himself into a win-win situation on this because he has kept grass roots working class voters happy whilst giving the hard-liner republicans (backed by big pharma) clear backing by trying to get the changes through.
Now he can open his hands to both sides of the party and say to them - I tried but we lost the vote. Privately it will be a relief because he can park this come re-election and actually win more votes because he won't campaign on this issue again.
In terms of the important stuff, not to repeat past posts as I feel I have posted enough on that. The main thing Trump/Bannon want is tied to the $1trn USD Infrastructure plan and to start to un-wind the affects of globalisation on the working class, everything else is window dressing.
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