45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 2

[RobDickinson]

Digby said:

But that is true, for some.

Are we not allowed to love his approach and find his mannerisms entertaining and refreshing?

Is this thread only for those who take this stuff really, really seriously and those who just love calling him names?

He's the executive leader of the largest military in the world. He controls their nuclear arsenal (not that he has the faintest idea what it actually is apart from 'bad').

What The President says is important. Ignoring the outright lies and half remembered fox fluff , he is alienating USA from most of its allies and harming global relations that have taken decades to put together.

This is only after a matter of weeks. 3 fake terror attacks, misrepresenting the size of his electoral win, illegal travel bans, not having a clue what the black caucus is etc etc.

He has no credibility. May as well have elected a chimpanzee. At least Bush had a history of politics and could take advice.

[Digby]

RobDickinson said:

Stuff about a chimpanzee.

But you didn't answer my question.

[RobDickinson]

Digby said:

But you didn't answer my question.

Much like any thread, post what you want and move on. I wont try and tell you what you can or cant say here.

[RobDickinson]

Funkycoldribena said:

Try telling Greg that.

I'm sure he knows, also knows that we can also respond with anything we want (outside the usual forum rules).

How anyone could like the mannerisms of the barely coherent orange anus faced clown of a president is beyond me though.

[Finlandia]

Greg66 said:

Finlandia said:

Greg66 said:

His comment about Sweden was unreal.

Not the best choice of words, but unfortunately he is not wrong.

He said: "You look at what's happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this? Sweden. They took in large numbers. They're having problems like they never thought possible."

When nothing happened "last night in Sweden", let alone anything unbelievable, how the fk is this "not the best choice of words"?

The broader context was "We've got to keep our country safe," he said. "You look at what's happening in Germany. You look at what's happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this? Sweden. They took in large numbers. They're having problems like they never thought possible. You look at what's happening in Brussels. You look at what's happening all over the world. Take a look at Nice. Take a look at Paris."

He was talking about terror attacks, not general social pressure.

As I said, not the best choice of words, what he should have said is something like, look at what's going on in Sweden, shootings, bombings, gang rapes, riots, etc, etc.

The night that nothing happened in Sweden was the night when large gangs roamed the streets in the town where I live, setting off fireworks at houses, cars and people.

[anonymous-user]

Digby said:

Greg66 said:

Oh, I forgot. Hahahaha. It's so entertaining. I'm in hysterics. It's doesn't matter. He's a long way away. It's good that he speaks his mind [sic]. He's refreshing. He a businessman not a politician so it doesn't matter, or it's to be expected, or something. Hahahaha.

But that is true, for some.

Are we not allowed to love his approach and find his mannerisms entertaining and refreshing?

You can love what you want.

I really don't much care for the press. I am of the view that they prefer shiny trinkets (an Obamaism, IIRC) that appeal to the majority of readers and shift papers over serious discourse, backed by genuine investigative journalism I find it depressing that modern journalistic investigation consists mostly of scouring Facebook for stories or copying and pasting tweets.

But the list of national leaders who have decided that a free press is an impediment to their ability to run a country is not a list of the greats or a great list to be on.

Thin down that list to those who've also directly tried to undermine the judiciary and its worse on both counts. Thin it down again to those who like to have (campaign) rallies after the campaign has been won, who make scapegoats of minorities to raise support, who claim black is white when it suits them ... well you see where this is going.

You can love what you want. If you found Robert Mugabe funny, good for you. If you find Donald Trump funny good for you. You might be an outlier, but if so, that's what you are.

As far as I can see, if you see Trump this way, this thread offers nothing more than an opportunity to see what other people think, and why, and to then ask yourself: "am I sure I fund this so funny?"

Digby said:

Is this thread only for those who take this stuff really, really seriously and those who just love calling him names?

Well this thread is for discussion about his performance and ability, so taking a serious view helps. '"I think he's really funny", repeated over and over again is not much of a discussion.

[Digby]

Greg66 said:

"I think he's really funny", repeated over and over again is not much of a discussion.

But all of the creative and abusive names constantly thrown at him, are?

I can't take posts such as those seriously, so why should I have a serious view?

[anonymous-user]

Finlandia said:

Greg66 said:

Finlandia said:

Greg66 said:

His comment about Sweden was unreal.

Not the best choice of words, but unfortunately he is not wrong.

He said: "You look at what's happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this? Sweden. They took in large numbers. They're having problems like they never thought possible."

When nothing happened "last night in Sweden", let alone anything unbelievable, how the fk is this "not the best choice of words"?

The broader context was "We've got to keep our country safe," he said. "You look at what's happening in Germany. You look at what's happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this? Sweden. They took in large numbers. They're having problems like they never thought possible. You look at what's happening in Brussels. You look at what's happening all over the world. Take a look at Nice. Take a look at Paris."

He was talking about terror attacks, not general social pressure.

As I said, not the best choice of words, what he should have said is something like, look at what's going on in Sweden, shootings, bombings, gang rapes, riots, etc, etc.

The night that nothing happened in Sweden was the night when large gangs roamed the streets in the town where I live, setting off fireworks at houses, cars and people.

But that isn't what he said.

He says he is really really smart. Amazing IQ. Tremedous IQ.

That doesn't work for him here. If he is as clever as he said, it leads one to conclude that he knew exactly what he was saying, and that it was false. So he peddled a lie, deliberately.

But if he's not as clever as he said, then he's plain and simple incompetent. And prone to lying about this IQ.

Not great either way.

Why is this hard to see. Or perhaps more pertinently, why are people so eager to make excuses for the stupid or dishonest President? I really don't get it.

[anonymous-user]

Digby said:

Greg66 said:

"I think he's really funny", repeated over and over again is not much of a discussion.

But all of the creative and abusive names constantly thrown at him, are?

I can't take posts such as those seriously, so why should I have a serious view?

I must have missed it. Is there a group of people on this thread who only ever call Trump names and contribute nothing more?

[Finlandia]

Greg66 said:

Finlandia said:

Greg66 said:

Finlandia said:

Greg66 said:

His comment about Sweden was unreal.

Not the best choice of words, but unfortunately he is not wrong.

He said: "You look at what's happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this? Sweden. They took in large numbers. They're having problems like they never thought possible."

When nothing happened "last night in Sweden", let alone anything unbelievable, how the fk is this "not the best choice of words"?

The broader context was "We've got to keep our country safe," he said. "You look at what's happening in Germany. You look at what's happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this? Sweden. They took in large numbers. They're having problems like they never thought possible. You look at what's happening in Brussels. You look at what's happening all over the world. Take a look at Nice. Take a look at Paris."

He was talking about terror attacks, not general social pressure.

As I said, not the best choice of words, what he should have said is something like, look at what's going on in Sweden, shootings, bombings, gang rapes, riots, etc, etc.

The night that nothing happened in Sweden was the night when large gangs roamed the streets in the town where I live, setting off fireworks at houses, cars and people.

But that isn't what he said.

That's why

Finlandia said:

Not the best choice of words

[Digby]

Funkycoldribena said:

RobDickinson said:

At least Bush had a history of politics and could take advice.

Yeah,worked really well didnt it..

Google Bushisms!

Unfortunately, when people are so desperate to find fault, anything goes.

One slip of the tongue, one faux pas and it's game on.

(A bit like attempting to rip someone to pieces over spelling)

[anonymous-user]

Finlandia said:

Greg66 said:

Finlandia said:

Greg66 said:

Finlandia said:

Greg66 said:

His comment about Sweden was unreal.

Not the best choice of words, but unfortunately he is not wrong.

He said: "You look at what's happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this? Sweden. They took in large numbers. They're having problems like they never thought possible."

When nothing happened "last night in Sweden", let alone anything unbelievable, how the fk is this "not the best choice of words"?

The broader context was "We've got to keep our country safe," he said. "You look at what's happening in Germany. You look at what's happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this? Sweden. They took in large numbers. They're having problems like they never thought possible. You look at what's happening in Brussels. You look at what's happening all over the world. Take a look at Nice. Take a look at Paris."

He was talking about terror attacks, not general social pressure.

As I said, not the best choice of words, what he should have said is something like, look at what's going on in Sweden, shootings, bombings, gang rapes, riots, etc, etc.

The night that nothing happened in Sweden was the night when large gangs roamed the streets in the town where I live, setting off fireworks at houses, cars and people.

But that isn't what he said.

That's why

Finlandia said:

Not the best choice of words

Nice edit, plus disingenuous response. Can't argue with someone like that.

[hidetheelephants]

Finlandia said:

Greg66 said:

His comment about Sweden was unreal.

Not the best choice of words, but unfortunately he is not wrong.

This Spectator article certainly paints an unfortunate picture.

[citizensm1th]

Digby said:

Funkycoldribena said:

RobDickinson said:

At least Bush had a history of politics and could take advice.

Yeah,worked really well didnt it..

Google Bushisms!

Unfortunately, when people are so desperate to find fault, anything goes.

One slip of the tongue, one faux pas and it's game on.

(A bit like attempting to rip someone to pieces over spelling)

Just one? have you been living in a cave for the last month?

[Digby]

Greg66 said:

I must have missed it. Is there a group of people on this thread who only ever call Trump names and contribute nothing more?

Why are they using any names as part of their conversations? Surely I don't need to list them all?

You can be reported on these forums for calling someone you don't know horrible names. It's childish, stupid, offensive behaviour.

Why is it ok with Trump?

"Because he is a moron" is as boring as "Because he's funny"

[anonymous-user]

Digby said:

Google Bushisms!

Unfortunately, when people are so desperate to find fault, anything goes.

One slip of the tongue, one faux pas and it's game on.

(A bit like attempting to rip someone to pieces over spelling)

Yeah, it we had the one slip of the tongue and one faux pas before the inauguration speech was done.

Likening Trump's performance over the last four weeks to spelling mistakes is, umm, imaginative.

[anonymous-user]

Digby said:

Greg66 said:

I must have missed it. Is there a group of people on this thread who only ever call Trump names and contribute nothing more?

Why are they using any names as part of their conversations? Surely I don't need to list them all?

You can be reported on these forums for calling someone you don't know horrible names. It's childish, stupid, offensive behaviour.

Why is it ok with Trump?

"Because he is a moron" is as boring as "Because he's funny"

You dodged the question.

Your contributions are only ever "He's funny" or variants on that. Hence why I asked whether there's a group who only ever call Trump names and contribute nothing else.

You answer is "No". Which makes you "special". Congrats.

[Digby]

hidetheelephants said:

Finlandia said:

Greg66 said:

His comment about Sweden was unreal.

Not the best choice of words, but unfortunately he is not wrong.

This Spectator article certainly paints an unfortunate picture.

Does this mean we get to abuse those who doubted him?

I mean, how stupid can you be not to know what he was actually talking about?

[RobDickinson]

Finlandia said:

That's why

Finlandia said:

Not the best choice of words

Thats why Presidents have speechwriters and take care in writing what the President will say.... There shouldnt be a bad choice of words. Every word should be thought over and placed on purpose in between other equally thought over words.

Now we have a president who doesnt use speechwriters, who ad-libs his speeches, who's speeches are full or rhetoric , poorly chosen phrases and outright untruths.

Its utterly bizarre. He doesnt even know he is lying half the time. No one can trust anything he says, so in any time of crisis ( and there will be some soon..) other countries will just have to ignore what he says.

He's already managed to alienate many allied countries. If he's pissing off his friends it wont be long until he has none left.

Through incompetence and accident, not by design or plan.

This guy is in charge of a military with more overall budget than every other country in the world.

[Digby]

Greg66 said:

Which makes you "special". Congrats.

Aww, you're not so bad after all!

Much love!