45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 2
Discussion
Digby said:
Exactly. President puppets. Have we ever really known what THEY thought?
We do now.
Huh, you can have speechwriters and still be in charge of policy and direction... your starting to come across as rather limited in understanding, either on purpose or by accident its hard to tell.We do now.
Greg66 said:
Can't argue with someone like that.
Can't argue with someone knowing the facts about what's happening in Sweden?Ok.
hidetheelephants said:
This Spectator article certainly paints an unfortunate picture.
It really is a mess here, not that that is anything new, it's been a mess for many years already, the last 18 months have been really bad though and no end in sight.
RobDickinson said:
Huh, you can have speechwriters and still be in charge of policy and direction... your starting to come across as rather limited in understanding, either on purpose or by accident its hard to tell.
Does being in charge of policy and direction involve speechwriters perfecting absolutely every word, as you suggest?Would the Sweden comment never have happened if he used what you suggest?
Finlandia said:
Greg66 said:
Can't argue with someone like that.
Can't argue with someone knowing the facts about what's happening in Sweden?Ok.
Digby said:
RobDickinson said:
Huh, you can have speechwriters and still be in charge of policy and direction... your starting to come across as rather limited in understanding, either on purpose or by accident its hard to tell.
Does being in charge of policy and direction involve speechwriters perfecting absolutely every word, as you suggest?Would the Sweden comment never have happened if he used what you suggest?
Funkycoldribena said:
You've hit the nail on the head as to why hes liked.
People are sick to death of scripted speeches and everything sanitised not to cause offence,sorry to use it again but its refreshing.
I like seeing someone saying what they think without fear of offence and a lot of people dont care over certain falsehoods if its shooting from the hip.Do you think vast swathes of the public give a s
t about the Sweden thing?Do you think they're lying in their beds thinking 'Trump bloody lied to me'?
Why do you want to listen to speeches that are scrutinised and re-worded to appease everyone? How many times have these scripted speeches contained absolute bullst from all sorts of politicians? They're like company commercials and bore you to death.
He stumbled through some half remembered fox news story, he didnt tell the world what he thought, he didnt clearly identify the point he was trying to make. Thats why he needs a speechwriter. That and to not cause offense to the people he doesnt want to cause offense too.People are sick to death of scripted speeches and everything sanitised not to cause offence,sorry to use it again but its refreshing.
I like seeing someone saying what they think without fear of offence and a lot of people dont care over certain falsehoods if its shooting from the hip.Do you think vast swathes of the public give a s
t about the Sweden thing?Do you think they're lying in their beds thinking 'Trump bloody lied to me'?Why do you want to listen to speeches that are scrutinised and re-worded to appease everyone? How many times have these scripted speeches contained absolute bulls
t from all sorts of politicians? They're like company commercials and bore you to death.Your not going to appease everyone, but acting like a bull in a china shop as the president almost randomly insulting the rest of the world isnt the way it should be done.
Theres been no clear messages, its all fuzzy mumbled crap, no surprise but he doesnt seem like he has a plan past his handful of headline grabbing tweets.
rscott said:
Digby said:
RobDickinson said:
Huh, you can have speechwriters and still be in charge of policy and direction... your starting to come across as rather limited in understanding, either on purpose or by accident its hard to tell.
Does being in charge of policy and direction involve speechwriters perfecting absolutely every word, as you suggest?Would the Sweden comment never have happened if he used what you suggest?
His approach is like a 6 year old, not what I would expect from a grown up let alone President.
rscott said:
Instead, he ended up supplying another example of the chaotic and disorganised nature of his presidency.
A presidency he admitted he wasn't interested in decades ago, rather that he would prefer to leave that to other people due to them probably not liking what he would have to say or things he would do. And all of that was based on the decline of the country he loved. A prediction many would suggest came true. He felt he had to run as nobody else was avoiding the things he saw coming and nobody was standing up for the interests of the people.He's speaking from the heart, a rather - and many would suggest rightly so, heavy one.
He may not get things right, but let's be honest, the majority of people were utterly sick of what so many here are trying to defend.
Plus, we knew what he meant. If you choose not to understand what he meant, the fault doesn't lie with him.
No one knew what he meant. it took a day for people to go through fox news and find out.
He wants to 'make America great again', is a 'businessman' yet had no clue what GDP was..
Thats not fake news, thats Trump at a pre election debate.
Gross domestic product.
"our gross domestic product … was below zero."
How would someone who cant understand the basics of a countries economic indicators have a fking clue whether it was in decline or not?
Jobs? No unemployment was falling.
Crime? Trump says murders are up - nope!
He wants to 'make America great again', is a 'businessman' yet had no clue what GDP was..
Thats not fake news, thats Trump at a pre election debate.
Gross domestic product.
"our gross domestic product … was below zero."
How would someone who cant understand the basics of a countries economic indicators have a f
king clue whether it was in decline or not?Jobs? No unemployment was falling.
Crime? Trump says murders are up - nope!
Digby said:
rscott said:
Instead, he ended up supplying another example of the chaotic and disorganised nature of his presidency.
A presidency he admitted he wasn't interested in decades ago, rather that he would prefer to leave that to other people due to them probably not liking what he would have to say or things he would do. And all of that was based on the decline of the country he loved. A prediction many would suggest came true. He felt he had to run as nobody else was avoiding the things he saw coming and nobody was standing up for the interests of the people.He's speaking from the heart, a rather - and many would suggest rightly so, heavy one.
He may not get things right, but let's be honest, the majority of people were utterly sick of what so many here are trying to defend.
Plus, we knew what he meant. If you choose not to understand what he meant, the fault doesn't lie with him.
You really think Trump is standing up for the interests of the people? How is he doing that? So far, he's signed many EOs which will have no effect unless Congress also pass legislation to enforce/fund them. He's claiming credit for jobs which were always going to be created (Intel) and is currently killing off several businesses near his 'Southern Whitehouse' which are being shut down whenever he visits.
Digby said:
A presidency he admitted he wasn't interested in decades ago, rather that he would prefer to leave that to other people due to them probably not liking what he would have to say or things he would do. And all of that was based on the decline of the country he loved. A prediction many would suggest came true. He felt he had to run as nobody else was avoiding the things he saw coming and nobody was standing up for the interests of the people.
He's speaking from the heart, a rather - and many would suggest rightly so, heavy one.
He may not get things right, but let's be honest, the majority of people were utterly sick of what so many here are trying to defend.
Plus, we knew what he meant. If you choose not to understand what he meant, the fault doesn't lie with him.
Hahaha! Did you get the Special Decoder Ring with your Trump(tm) breakfast cereal? Does it glow in the dark too? You claim to know a lot about what's going on in his head too. It sounds like you got the Special Psychic Ring as well. Well done!He's speaking from the heart, a rather - and many would suggest rightly so, heavy one.
He may not get things right, but let's be honest, the majority of people were utterly sick of what so many here are trying to defend.
Plus, we knew what he meant. If you choose not to understand what he meant, the fault doesn't lie with him.
BTW: that presidency you think he wasn't interested in decades ago. Decades ago he ran for President. This wans this first attempt.
Greg66 said:
Digby said:
Plus, we knew what he meant. If you choose not to understand what he meant, the fault doesn't lie with him.
Hahaha! Did you get the Special Decoder Ring with your Trump(tm) breakfast cereal? "“I would rarely leave the White House because there’s so much work to be done,” Trump, 69, tells ITK. "I would not be a president who took vacations. I would not be a president that takes time off."
http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/245884-trump-...
"Trump family trips cost taxpayers $11.3m in one month – almost as much as Obama’s cost in a year"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/u...
Trumps promotion of his business and political rallies shouldnt be funded by the tax payer either.
http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/245884-trump-...
"Trump family trips cost taxpayers $11.3m in one month – almost as much as Obama’s cost in a year"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/u...
Trumps promotion of his business and political rallies shouldnt be funded by the tax payer either.
Digby said:
Greg66 said:
Oh, I forgot. Hahahaha. It's so entertaining. I'm in hysterics. It's doesn't matter. He's a long way away. It's good that he speaks his mind [sic]. He's refreshing. He a businessman not a politician so it doesn't matter, or it's to be expected, or something. Hahahaha.
But that is true, for some.Are we not allowed to love his approach and find his mannerisms entertaining and refreshing?
Digby said:
Is this thread only for those who take this stuff really, really seriously and those who just love calling him names?
The thread is getting a bit bloody st really - be nice if the conversation didn't resort to personal insults for 3/4 of every page viewRobDickinson said:
"“I would rarely leave the White House because there’s so much work to be done,” Trump, 69, tells ITK. "I would not be a president who took vacations. I would not be a president that takes time off."
http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/245884-trump-...
"Trump family trips cost taxpayers $11.3m in one month – almost as much as Obama’s cost in a year"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/u...
Trumps promotion of his business and political rallies shouldnt be funded by the tax payer either.
Sadly it's a waste of time posting stuff like this now, whilst it raises awareness the Trump supporters ignore it because it's not reflecting well on their man. im sure they will find him refreshing to the final day of his presidency, rather than substance they just appear to want bright lights and rhetoric....http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/245884-trump-...
"Trump family trips cost taxpayers $11.3m in one month – almost as much as Obama’s cost in a year"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/u...
Trumps promotion of his business and political rallies shouldnt be funded by the tax payer either.
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