45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 2

[p1stonhead]

Stickyfinger said:

p1stonhead said:

Are you saying finlandia was responsible for killing that British boy with a grenade?

He claims he isnt part of the problem but do we take his word for it?

It is a serious problem, do try to be serious about it.

What would you advise the Swedish people to do to help/improve/integrate the people (of whatever colour/country) who have been invited to live in their country ?

Not my problem. Neither is it Trump's. But he felt the need to bring it up (not sure what 'last night in Sweden' referred to though?) at a rally to try and bolster his very vague point which again, made him look like an idiot.

Another point - why is someone who is already President, having political rallies?!

[rscott]

Hugo a Gogo said:

Finlandia said:

Countdown said:

I'm not going to suggest that Sweden doesnt have a problem with immigration. I've never been there.

But saying that 99% of them are due to uncontrolled mass immigration suggests that 99% of all crime is due to immigrants, which even by NP&E standards, seems quite high. Or that crime has multiplied by 100 compared to pre-immigration levels.

The crime we have here has escalated out of control over the last 5 years or so, before that you didn't really hear about daily shootings and handgrenades. There is a (drug?) war going on in the suburbs between gangs mainly of Middle Eastern and Northern African origin, and they stop at nothing when it comes to their piece of the cake and their honour.
Then you have the wildly different way of life between Sweden and these countries, women are killed and beaten for bringing shame upon the man, girls are sent back home to have FGM done, just to name a few.
Then of course you have the homebred neo-Nazis and violent far left groups clashing ever so often with each other or with foreign gangs.
Meanwhile the police lack officers and funding to do anything about the issues we are facing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Sweden in the last 5 years?

interestingly, this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Sweden#Crim... mentions that assaults are recorded differently in Sweden to most other countries, so the same assault can be counted multiple times.

[Finlandia]

p1stonhead said:

Finlandia said:

p1stonhead said:

Finlandia said:

RobDickinson said:

Its always the immigrants isnt it.. :/

I'm an immigrant in Sweden myself. Unfortunately the problems we are facing in Sweden is down to massimmigration and failed integration.

Why, what problems are you causing?

None, because I have integrated, learnt the language, learnt the way of life, gotten a job and contributing to society. Not all immigrants are bad, not all Swedes are good and the ones in charge of the country are the ones to blame for the mess we are in.

Oh right, so its the brown ones yeah?

Read the bold bit again, will you. FYI, not all immigrants are brown ones, as you call them, and not all Swedes are white.
I, and every single one I know, don't care what colour you are, as long as you integrate into society, follow the laws and rules of the society and work for the greater good for us all.

[B'stard Child]

p1stonhead said:

Finlandia said:

RobDickinson said:

Its always the immigrants isnt it.. :/

I'm an immigrant in Sweden myself. Unfortunately the problems we are facing in Sweden is down to massimmigration and failed integration.

Why, what problems are you causing?

Clever

Edited by B'stard Child on Monday 20th February 09:03

[scherzkeks]

rscott said:

Digby said:

RobDickinson said:

Huh, you can have speechwriters and still be in charge of policy and direction... your starting to come across as rather limited in understanding, either on purpose or by accident its hard to tell.

Does being in charge of policy and direction involve speechwriters perfecting absolutely every word, as you suggest?

Would the Sweden comment never have happened if he used what you suggest?

If he'd used speechwriters (or even it seems, had planned the speech rather than just saying random phrases) then he may well have referenced Sweden, but in a meaningful context, eg "Look what's been happening in Sweden over the last few years since they started accepting many refugees" . Instead, he ended up supplying another example of the chaotic and disorganised nature of his presidency.

You find it chaotic and disorganized because you were told that it is.

[rallycross]

Eric Mc said:

I'm trying to work out what Donald Trump's problem with Swedish immigration policy is - and what effect it has on American voters.

Why did he mention it
What point was he trying to make.

Maybe to raise people's awareness of the problem, I didn't even know about the problems in Sweden till I read about it here on this thread I would say MSM / BBC etc have not made much of this story.

When I read up on it and found out what's been going on its a shocking story one of our near neighbours and with a similar culture to us has created some very serious problems due to immigration.

Edited by rallycross on Monday 20th February 09:06

[Finlandia]

p1stonhead said:

No he said;

Immigration is the problem in Sweden.
I am an immigrant in Sweden.
I am not the problem though.

I was asking who was and who has decided he isnt.

Its a fairly simple question.

Uncontrolled massimmigration and failed integration is the single biggest problem in Sweden. (There are others too)
I am indeed an immigrant in Sweden.
I am indeed not a part of the problem.

The ones who do not integrate and work for the greater good for society are the problem. (That includes criminals)

There is a fairly simple answer.

[Disastrous]

scherzkeks said:

You find it chaotic and disorganized because you were told that it is.

You really need to get past this and give people a little more credit for their ability to process information. It's severely limiting you and making you look foolish.

[p1stonhead]

scherzkeks said:

rscott said:

Digby said:

RobDickinson said:

Huh, you can have speechwriters and still be in charge of policy and direction... your starting to come across as rather limited in understanding, either on purpose or by accident its hard to tell.

Does being in charge of policy and direction involve speechwriters perfecting absolutely every word, as you suggest?

Would the Sweden comment never have happened if he used what you suggest?

If he'd used speechwriters (or even it seems, had planned the speech rather than just saying random phrases) then he may well have referenced Sweden, but in a meaningful context, eg "Look what's been happening in Sweden over the last few years since they started accepting many refugees" . Instead, he ended up supplying another example of the chaotic and disorganised nature of his presidency.

You find it chaotic and disorganized because you have been told that it is.

You do know its all on video?

Its not necessary to be told anything we can watch him speak it with his own mouth parts

[roachcoach]

For me it is not so much what he said as the fact the source was a news broadcast, he parroted it without checking or understanding it.

You expect better from your head of state. Imagine just for a second if Theresa May popped out a speech based on what she'd read in the Sun...

[p1stonhead]

Finlandia said:

p1stonhead said:

No he said;

Immigration is the problem in Sweden.
I am an immigrant in Sweden.
I am not the problem though.

I was asking who was and who has decided he isnt.

Its a fairly simple question.

Uncontrolled massimmigration and failed integration is the single biggest problem in Sweden. (There are others too)
I am indeed an immigrant in Sweden.
I am indeed not a part of the problem.

The ones who do not integrate and work for the greater good for society are the problem. (That includes criminals)

There is a fairly simple answer.

You claim you are not part of the problem. Those who you think are the problem will probably claim the same.

[turbobloke]

p1stonhead said:

turbobloke said:

p1stonhead said:

turbobloke said:

p1stonhead said:

Finlandia said:

p1stonhead said:

Finlandia said:

RobDickinson said:

Its always the immigrants isnt it.. :/

I'm an immigrant in Sweden myself. Unfortunately the problems we are facing in Sweden is down to massimmigration and failed integration.

Why, what problems are you causing?

None, because I have integrated, learnt the language, learnt the way of life, gotten a job and contributing to society. Not all immigrants are bad, not all Swedes are good and the ones in charge of the country are the ones to blame for the mess we are in.

Oh right, so its the brown ones yeah?

The ones in charge of Sweden are "the brown ones"?

Apparently those in charge created the mess. But the mess isnt people like him even though he is an immigrant therefore;

What is 'the mess' that he and Trump refer to?

Finalndia said its the immigrants who havent 'integrated, learnt the language, learnt the way of life, gotten a job and contributing to society'? I was asking him if these were the brown ones?

The message was that it's down to politicians. It looks like you would have preferred a different message, but that's not the point either way.

No he said;

Immigration is the problem in Sweden.
I am an immigrant in Sweden.
I am not the problem though.

I was asking who was and who has decided he isnt.

Its a fairly simple question.

It is and though I can't speak for Finlanda, it was answered already afaics.

The answer was 'the ones in charge'. Without political will, how could any of it have arisen?

[Eric Mc]

rallycross said:

Maybe to raise people's awareness of the problem, I didn't even know about the problems in Sweden till I read about it here on this thread I would say MSM / BBC etc have not made much of this story.

When I read up on it and found out what's been going on its a shocking story one of our near neighbours and with a similar culture to us has created some very serious problems due to immigration.

Edited by rallycross on Monday 20th February 09:06

If there is a problem, it's Sweden's problem, not America's.

I still don't know what point he was supposed to be making.

[Eric Mc]

Finlandia said:

I am indeed not a part of the problem.

Ah - you're obviously one of the "good" immigrants. There must be some.

Funny how people always make exceptions for themselves.

[scherzkeks]

p1stonhead said:

scherzkeks said:

rscott said:

Digby said:

RobDickinson said:

Huh, you can have speechwriters and still be in charge of policy and direction... your starting to come across as rather limited in understanding, either on purpose or by accident its hard to tell.

Does being in charge of policy and direction involve speechwriters perfecting absolutely every word, as you suggest?

Would the Sweden comment never have happened if he used what you suggest?

If he'd used speechwriters (or even it seems, had planned the speech rather than just saying random phrases) then he may well have referenced Sweden, but in a meaningful context, eg "Look what's been happening in Sweden over the last few years since they started accepting many refugees" . Instead, he ended up supplying another example of the chaotic and disorganised nature of his presidency.

You find it chaotic and disorganized because you have been told that it is.

You do know its all on video?

Its not necessary to be told anything we can watch him speak it with his own mouth parts

The comment was on the nature of his presidency. Emotions running high?

[p1stonhead]

scherzkeks said:

p1stonhead said:

scherzkeks said:

rscott said:

Digby said:

RobDickinson said:

Huh, you can have speechwriters and still be in charge of policy and direction... your starting to come across as rather limited in understanding, either on purpose or by accident its hard to tell.

Does being in charge of policy and direction involve speechwriters perfecting absolutely every word, as you suggest?

Would the Sweden comment never have happened if he used what you suggest?

If he'd used speechwriters (or even it seems, had planned the speech rather than just saying random phrases) then he may well have referenced Sweden, but in a meaningful context, eg "Look what's been happening in Sweden over the last few years since they started accepting many refugees" . Instead, he ended up supplying another example of the chaotic and disorganised nature of his presidency.

You find it chaotic and disorganized because you have been told that it is.

You do know its all on video?

Its not necessary to be told anything we can watch him speak it with his own mouth parts

The comment was on the nature of his presidency. Emotions running high?

No emotions from me other than embarrassment and sympathy for the majority of Americans who didnt vote for him.

[Finlandia]

rscott said:

Hugo a Gogo said:

Finlandia said:

Countdown said:

I'm not going to suggest that Sweden doesnt have a problem with immigration. I've never been there.

But saying that 99% of them are due to uncontrolled mass immigration suggests that 99% of all crime is due to immigrants, which even by NP&E standards, seems quite high. Or that crime has multiplied by 100 compared to pre-immigration levels.

The crime we have here has escalated out of control over the last 5 years or so, before that you didn't really hear about daily shootings and handgrenades. There is a (drug?) war going on in the suburbs between gangs mainly of Middle Eastern and Northern African origin, and they stop at nothing when it comes to their piece of the cake and their honour.
Then you have the wildly different way of life between Sweden and these countries, women are killed and beaten for bringing shame upon the man, girls are sent back home to have FGM done, just to name a few.
Then of course you have the homebred neo-Nazis and violent far left groups clashing ever so often with each other or with foreign gangs.
Meanwhile the police lack officers and funding to do anything about the issues we are facing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Sweden in the last 5 years?

interestingly, this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Sweden#Crim... mentions that assaults are recorded differently in Sweden to most other countries, so the same assault can be counted multiple times.

https://www.svd.se/det-grova-valdet-har-okat-under-flera-ar

Det grova våldet har ökat under flera år.
Det är alltid dyrt om decennier av försummelser ska åtgärdas. Men det blir ännu mycket dyrare att inte göra något för att hejda det grova våldet, skriver professor Jerzy Sarnecki.

Google Translate:
The serious violence has increased over several years.
It is always expensive if decades of neglect should be addressed. But it gets even more expensive not to do something to stem the serious violence, writes Professor Jerzy Sarnecki.


The subject is a very hot potato though.

[p1stonhead]

Eric Mc said:

Finlandia said:

I am indeed not a part of the problem.

Ah - you're obviously one of the "good" immigrants. There must be some.

Funny how people always make exceptions for themselves.

[minimoog]

Eric Mc said:

If there is a problem, it's Sweden's problem, not America's.

I still don't know what point he was supposed to be making.

Come on Eric that one's easy - he's saying 'we mustn't let that happen here'.

The fact that domestic gun crime by US nationals makes gang violence in Sweden look like a village fete tug-of-war is conveniently ignored of course.

[Stickyfinger]

p1stonhead said:

Rather than post silly faces, why not try to discuss the points Finlandia (who I remind you lives there) has raised ?

Please, enlighten us with your deeper knowledge on the matter in relation to Sweden considering that is the subject raised by Trump thus On Topic.