Police spend £100k trying to cover up.....
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A report into the murder of a grandmother.
Story: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4230078/Po...
So she called 4 times asking for help and they did nothing SMH
Story: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4230078/Po...
So she called 4 times asking for help and they did nothing SMH
You can be sure that SkrrSkrr lacks the will and capacity to look into the detail of brief anti-police articles he gets very excited about and can't wait to post.
Not that any of that is really relevant as she was seen by the MH team and taken to a specialist mental health centre (the Oxleas centre). The expert staff there had full knowledge of her history and decided not to section her. She then absconded from the mental health facility and committed her crimes. The NHS also didn't inform other services like they should have to put her on the MAPPA process prior to any of this.
The hindsight criticism seems to be about that the police may have sectioned her in hospital (nearly always inappropriate) had they known her history through a PNC check. Although the Dr in charge of her when at the Oxleas centre didn't see fit to even with that information, so why would the police necessarily think to do it?
In terms of the legal action I don't know what the legal wrangling is about and why. The family of the victim apparently don't agree with it so clearly there's something being disputed.
I doubt it's to 'cover it up' given there's a publicly published IPCC report covering the whole of the police contact... https://www.ipcc.gov.uk/sites/default/files/Docume...
Perhaps with your next topic you'll have better luck.
SkrrSkrr said:
So she called 4 times asking for help and they did nothing SMH
She made these calls whilst was in the A&E department waiting to see the mental health team. She's in a hospital with a medical issue. That's for the NHS to manage. Not that any of that is really relevant as she was seen by the MH team and taken to a specialist mental health centre (the Oxleas centre). The expert staff there had full knowledge of her history and decided not to section her. She then absconded from the mental health facility and committed her crimes. The NHS also didn't inform other services like they should have to put her on the MAPPA process prior to any of this.
The hindsight criticism seems to be about that the police may have sectioned her in hospital (nearly always inappropriate) had they known her history through a PNC check. Although the Dr in charge of her when at the Oxleas centre didn't see fit to even with that information, so why would the police necessarily think to do it?
In terms of the legal action I don't know what the legal wrangling is about and why. The family of the victim apparently don't agree with it so clearly there's something being disputed.
I doubt it's to 'cover it up' given there's a publicly published IPCC report covering the whole of the police contact... https://www.ipcc.gov.uk/sites/default/files/Docume...
Perhaps with your next topic you'll have better luck.
SkrrSkrr said:
A report into the murder of a grandmother.
Story: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4230078/Po...
So she called 4 times asking for help and they did nothing SMH
You really should stop hanging around with eclassy...Story: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4230078/Po...
So she called 4 times asking for help and they did nothing SMH
Nice to see that you are on JAYBs radar though.
La Liga said:
You can be sure that SkrrSkrr lacks the will and capacity to look into the detail of brief anti-police articles he gets very excited about and can't wait to post.
Not that any of that is really relevant as she was seen by the MH team and taken to a specialist mental health centre (the Oxleas centre). The expert staff there had full knowledge of her history and decided not to section her. She then absconded from the mental health facility and committed her crimes. The NHS also didn't inform other services like they should have to put her on the MAPPA process prior to any of this.
The hindsight criticism seems to be about that the police may have sectioned her in hospital (nearly always inappropriate) had they known her history through a PNC check. Although the Dr in charge of her when at the Oxleas centre didn't see fit to even with that information, so why would the police necessarily think to do it?
In terms of the legal action I don't know what the legal wrangling is about and why. The family of the victim apparently don't agree with it so clearly there's something being disputed.
I doubt it's to 'cover it up' given there's a publicly published IPCC report covering the whole of the police contact... https://www.ipcc.gov.uk/sites/default/files/Docume...
Perhaps with your next topic you'll have better luck.
Or, to put it another way, perhaps the DM's next anti-police diatribe in a headline will be more accurate. But then again I would not bet on it. In the story we get a 'string of police blunders'. Where? Even the one criticism is hardly a blunder given the circs. To be fair to those medics who passed the woman as fit, they were, in all probability, only following the government rules.SkrrSkrr said:
So she called 4 times asking for help and they did nothing SMH
She made these calls whilst was in the A&E department waiting to see the mental health team. She's in a hospital with a medical issue. That's for the NHS to manage. Not that any of that is really relevant as she was seen by the MH team and taken to a specialist mental health centre (the Oxleas centre). The expert staff there had full knowledge of her history and decided not to section her. She then absconded from the mental health facility and committed her crimes. The NHS also didn't inform other services like they should have to put her on the MAPPA process prior to any of this.
The hindsight criticism seems to be about that the police may have sectioned her in hospital (nearly always inappropriate) had they known her history through a PNC check. Although the Dr in charge of her when at the Oxleas centre didn't see fit to even with that information, so why would the police necessarily think to do it?
In terms of the legal action I don't know what the legal wrangling is about and why. The family of the victim apparently don't agree with it so clearly there's something being disputed.
I doubt it's to 'cover it up' given there's a publicly published IPCC report covering the whole of the police contact... https://www.ipcc.gov.uk/sites/default/files/Docume...
Perhaps with your next topic you'll have better luck.
It would appear that the police have taken the case up on behalf of the victim's family.
D'you know, I sometimes think that people, whenever they quote the DM, should check the facts.
Controversial I know.
Derek Smith said:
D'you know, I sometimes think that people, whenever they quote the DM, should check the facts.
An expectation slightly too high for people like the OP. So desperate to push an anti-police agenda (see posting history), but without the capability to form a cohesive or rational argument, so hopes simply posting an article on its own will do all the work for him. The problem is he's picked a rubbish example.
750turbo said:
SkrrSkrr said:
A report into the murder of a grandmother.
Story: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4230078/Po...
So she called 4 times asking for help and they did nothing SMH
You really should stop hanging around with eclassy...Story: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4230078/Po...
So she called 4 times asking for help and they did nothing SMH
Nice to see that you are on JAYBs radar though.
La Liga said:
n expectation slightly too high for people like the OP. So desperate to push an anti-police agenda (see posting history), but without the capability to form a cohesive or rational argument, so hopes simply posting an article on its own will do all the work for him.
The problem is he's picked a rubbish example.
Would this one have been better?The problem is he's picked a rubbish example.
Rushden police officer sacked for "inappropriate relationship"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonsh...
bmw535i said:
La Liga said:
n expectation slightly too high for people like the OP. So desperate to push an anti-police agenda (see posting history), but without the capability to form a cohesive or rational argument, so hopes simply posting an article on its own will do all the work for him.
The problem is he's picked a rubbish example.
Would this one have been better?The problem is he's picked a rubbish example.
Rushden police officer sacked for "inappropriate relationship"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonsh...
Only yesterday my old force WMP published this story:
https://www.west-midlands.police.uk/latest-news/ne...
Two serving officers arrested and charged for drugs offences. That would be a good example for the OP if he wants to show that some Police Officers are also criminals, but a poor example if he wants to show that the Police cover up for each other or their failings.
brenflys777 said:
Depends what he's trying to show? If he's hoping to show that Police Officers who breach professional standards are investigated and prosecuted by other Police Officers and if found guilty face harsh penalties - then your example would be better.
Only yesterday my old force WMP published this story:
https://www.west-midlands.police.uk/latest-news/ne...
Two serving officers arrested and charged for drugs offences. That would be a good example for the OP if he wants to show that some Police Officers are also criminals, but a poor example if he wants to show that the Police cover up for each other or their failings.
When you say breaching professional standards, do you mean 'breaking the law'?Only yesterday my old force WMP published this story:
https://www.west-midlands.police.uk/latest-news/ne...
Two serving officers arrested and charged for drugs offences. That would be a good example for the OP if he wants to show that some Police Officers are also criminals, but a poor example if he wants to show that the Police cover up for each other or their failings.
bmw535i said:
When you say breaching professional standards, do you mean 'breaking the law'?
No. It can be both, but Officers don't have to break the law to face sanctions as they are held to a higher professional standard. In the example you gave it appears this was a professional hearing rather than court. There he was dismissed after 13 years without notice for an inappropriate - not necessarily unlawful relationship. Which is incidentally how the relationship between me and my now wife of 16 years would have been regarded had we been caught shagging (she was a supervisory colleague rather than a member of the public though). Police like real people sometimes ave sex or fall in love with the wrong person. b
ds. Edited by brenflys777 on Friday 17th February 09:02
Looks like a "system" failure as much as a police failure, so why did they think it was necessary to spend so much dosh trying to hush up the report?
Kind of feel sorry for the offender as well as the victim here... she knew she was dangerous and was begging for help but none was forthcoming. Mental health care fails once again and with dire consequences... of course what we don't hear about is the numbers of mentally unwell that commit suicide as nobody is interested if they are only hurting themselves.
Kind of feel sorry for the offender as well as the victim here... she knew she was dangerous and was begging for help but none was forthcoming. Mental health care fails once again and with dire consequences... of course what we don't hear about is the numbers of mentally unwell that commit suicide as nobody is interested if they are only hurting themselves.
brenflys777 said:
No. It can be both, but Officers don't have to break the law to face sanctions as they are held to a higher professional standard. In the example you gave it appears this was a professional hearing rather than court. There he was dismissed after 13 years without notice for an inappropriate - not necessarily unlawful relationship. Which is incidentally how the relationship between me and my now wife of 16 years would have been regarded had we been caught shagging (she was a supervisory colleague rather than a member of the public though). Police like real people sometimes ave sex or fall in love with the wrong person. bds.
My question referred to the link you posted. You appeared to post it to demonstrate your point about professional behaviour?ds. Edited by brenflys777 on Friday 17th February 09:02
bmw535i said:
My question referred to the link you posted. You appeared to post it to demonstrate your point about professional behaviour?
I thought I'd made it clear when I referred to your example as relating to professional standards, then under my link I suggested mine was an example of Police who commit criminal acts. I'm not sure where you'd see the ambiguity but if it reads poorly I apologise. They are both good examples of the Police investigating and dealing properly with officers who do not uphold the high standard the public should reasonably expect. brenflys777 said:
Depends what he's trying to show? If he's hoping to show that Police Officers who breach professional standards are investigated and prosecuted by other Police Officers and if found guilty face harsh penalties - then your example would be better.
Only yesterday my old force WMP published this story:
https://www.west-midlands.police.uk/latest-news/ne...
Two serving officers arrested and charged for drugs offences. That would be a good example for the OP if he wants to show that some Police Officers are also criminals, but a poor example if he wants to show that the Police cover up for each other or their failings.
Only yesterday my old force WMP published this story:
https://www.west-midlands.police.uk/latest-news/ne...
Two serving officers arrested and charged for drugs offences. That would be a good example for the OP if he wants to show that some Police Officers are also criminals, but a poor example if he wants to show that the Police cover up for each other or their failings.
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