BLAIR, his latest intervention. Should he shut up ?
Discussion
Talksteer said:
Democracy doesn't work in any specific way. Other than that the country is governed by the consent of it's people.
Irrevocable policy should only be made by broad based support. This is why most countries with constitutions require super majorities to change them.
Anyone want to contest that.
1: The views of the 48% who voted remain should be considered in the final settlement in proportion to their numbers.
2: That having seen the terms of the deal the population should have the right to decide whether or not to go through with BREXIT, either by direct vote or via it's elected representatives.
3: There currently isn't a coordinated political entity representing the 48%.
1. It was a straight binary choice and 48% is less than 52%. How can you "consider" the views of the 48% while abiding by the result of the referendum? Irrevocable policy should only be made by broad based support. This is why most countries with constitutions require super majorities to change them.
Anyone want to contest that.
1: The views of the 48% who voted remain should be considered in the final settlement in proportion to their numbers.
2: That having seen the terms of the deal the population should have the right to decide whether or not to go through with BREXIT, either by direct vote or via it's elected representatives.
3: There currently isn't a coordinated political entity representing the 48%.
2. This would give the (largely pro Remain) government and the EU every incentive to make the exit deal as unattractive as possible.
3. There is a state broadcaster, Labour, the Lib Dems, many Tories, much of the House of Lords, the European Commission, most European governments and big business to make the case for you poor unrepresented folk.
Graemsay said:
davepoth said:
Article 50 is irrevocable. It's either the deal we get or we leave with no deal. A vote on that is pointless
I don't believe that.Regardless of the legal arguments, if the UK had a change of heart, and wished to return to the EU fold before the two years is up, I suspect that an accommodation would be made. European politics tends to run on compromises and fudges, and stopping Brexit would given the Union more stability at a time of multiple crises.
The other is a staged exit with the ability to rejoin.
Every EU country stands to lose when the UK exits so I doubt any of them will block the UK re-entering which can always be sold as the UK being stupid.
mybrainhurts said:
Jimboka said:
Blair was unfairly tarred by Daily Mail today. His rebuttal shows up the lies & absolute rubbish that the DM print. Glad they had to reluctantly apologise..
What did they say?El stovey said:
mybrainhurts said:
Jimboka said:
Blair was unfairly tarred by Daily Mail today. His rebuttal shows up the lies & absolute rubbish that the DM print. Glad they had to reluctantly apologise..
What did they say?Jamal al-Harith was released from Guantanamo Bay at the request of the British Government in 2004, when the British Government was Labour and headed by, erm, somebody or other.
Mail online but not the printed version apparently got attribution of a £1million compo sum paid to a terrorist wrong and apologised. Bliar got millions in compo for being a carp PM after he left office.
Apparently the compo was paid to a terrorist to avoid an embarrassing court battle which would have revealed the Blair Government’s complicity in rendition and torture.
Edited to sort the terrorists properly.
Edited by turbobloke on Thursday 23 February 09:25
turbobloke said:
El stovey said:
mybrainhurts said:
Jimboka said:
Blair was unfairly tarred by Daily Mail today. His rebuttal shows up the lies & absolute rubbish that the DM print. Glad they had to reluctantly apologise..
What did they say?Jamal al-Harith was released from Guantanamo Bay at the request of the British Government in 2004, when the British Government was Labour and headed by, erm, somebody or other.
Mail online but not the printed version apparently got attribution of the £1million compo paid to him (al-Harith not Bliar) wrong and apologised. Bliar got millions in compo for being a carp PM after he left office.
Apparently the compo was paid to a terrorist to avoid an embarrassing court battle which would have revealed the Blair Government’s complicity in rendition and torture.
t? Lib Dems also the very junior partner in the coaltion.
MarshPhantom said:
Why would the Tories choose to get Blair and Labour out of the st?
The Coalition; and it would still have been an embarrassment to have any British Government exposed in Court as complicit in rendition and torture, as things stand now we merely know about the Blair government's involvement from non-Court sources.t? MarshPhantom said:
Lib Dems also the very junior partner in the coaltion.
But able to pull some strings using the gravity of their dead weight.turbobloke said:
MarshPhantom said:
Why would the Tories choose to get Blair and Labour out of the st?
The Coalition, and it would still have been an embarrassment to have any British Government exposed in Court as complicit in rendition and torture, as things stand now we merely know about the Blair government's involvement from non-Court souorces.t? MarshPhantom said:
Lib Dems also the very junior partner in the coaltion.
But able to pull some stings using the gravity of their dead weight.MarshPhantom said:
turbobloke said:
MarshPhantom said:
Why would the Tories choose to get Blair and Labour out of the st?
The Coalition, and it would still have been an embarrassment to have any British Government exposed in Court as complicit in rendition and torture, as things stand now we merely know about the Blair government's involvement from non-Court sources.t? MarshPhantom said:
Lib Dems also the very junior partner in the coaltion.
But able to pull some strings using the gravity of their dead weight.
Your selective memory can be cured with help from the LibDems. Not approval, horse trading. They forgot to make up the baker's dozen and more besides by omitting how they held up economic recovery, lost the AV referendum and 'cultivated the student vote'.
MarshPhantom said:
turbobloke said:
MarshPhantom said:
Why would the Tories choose to get Blair and Labour out of the st?
The Coalition, and it would still have been an embarrassment to have any British Government exposed in Court as complicit in rendition and torture, as things stand now we merely know about the Blair government's involvement from non-Court souorces.t? MarshPhantom said:
Lib Dems also the very junior partner in the coaltion.
But able to pull some stings using the gravity of their dead weight.
Stickyfinger said:
killingjoker said:
For most of the population we're f**ked anyhow
How so ?You carry on though twinkle.
Look! Ant & Dec are on television so go watch them. Isn't that Teresa May lovely? Ahhh.
Sorry but i can't stop laughing.
killingjoker said:
Stickyfinger said:
killingjoker said:
For most of the population we're f**ked anyhow
How so ?You carry on though twinkle.
Look! Ant & Dec are on television so go watch them. Isn't that Teresa May lovely? Ahhh.
Sorry but i can't stop laughing.
Whatever next?
Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff