How NOT to win friends and influence people on PH

[TwinKam]

ukkid35 said:

TwinKam said:

Never a good idea to discuss sex, politics or religion on a forum, but you started it
Consider that there are those (amongst the probable racists, xenophobes and of course the 'economically illiterate' ) who saw the corruption, waste, and general undemocratic, unaccountable farce of the EU as 'evil' and decided, as 'good men', to do something, and so voted to leave.
Just sayin'.

If you think the appropriate response is to threaten 3 million EU citizens (some of whom are my friends, neighbours, and colleagues) with deportation then I reckon you are mistaken - that is truly evil.

Gosh, is that really going to happen? When? How? By whom? To where? In what?
(think you need to calm down a bit and question what you hear on the BBC/read in the Garunidan)

[dandarez]

ukkid35 said:

TwinKam said:

Never a good idea to discuss sex, politics or religion on a forum, but you started it
Consider that there are those (amongst the probable racists, xenophobes and of course the 'economically illiterate' ) who saw the corruption, waste, and general undemocratic, unaccountable farce of the EU as 'evil' and decided, as 'good men', to do something, and so voted to leave.
Just sayin'.

If you think the appropriate response is to threaten 3 million EU citizens (some of whom are my friends, neighbours, and colleagues) with deportation then I reckon you are mistaken - that is truly evil.

'Where' are these threats?
And 'who' has made them?

[ATG]

sidicks said:

ukkid35 said:

If you think the appropriate response is to threaten 3 million EU citizens (some of whom are my friends, neighbours, and colleagues) with deportation then I reckon you are mistaken - that is truly evil.

No such threats are being made. HTH

Weasel words. Their position is clearly threatened just as is the position of UK citizens living in the EU. The UK government could choose to lift the threat from EU citizens in the UK any time it wanted to, but it has chosen not to.

[andymadmak]

ATG said:

sidicks said:

ukkid35 said:

If you think the appropriate response is to threaten 3 million EU citizens (some of whom are my friends, neighbours, and colleagues) with deportation then I reckon you are mistaken - that is truly evil.

No such threats are being made. HTH

Weasel words. Their position is clearly threatened just as is the position of UK citizens living in the EU. The UK government could choose to lift the threat from EU citizens in the UK any time it wanted to, but it has chosen not to.

Can you explain your rationale in offering security to the EU citizens in the UK in advance of any negotiations, when the same "threat" (as you describe it) to UK citizens living in EU countries would be left in place? Are UK citizens somehow less deserving of security and peace of mind?

As I understand it the UK Government has made it clear that it wishes to see this matter resolved as quickly as possible. I also understand that it is the EU that is refusing to clarify the issue for the benefit of all affected.

What steps would you like the EU to take now?

[sidicks]

ATG said:

Weasel words. Their position is clearly threatened just as is the position of UK citizens living in the EU. The UK government could choose to lift the threat from EU citizens in the UK any time it wanted to, but it has chosen not to.

The EU could choose to lift the threat for UK citizens living in the EU any time it wanted, but it has chosen not to.

Why do you think that is?

Are you under the impression that, post Brexit, we won't allow any EU citizens to come to the UK to work?

[MrNoisy]

ukkid35 said:

If you think the appropriate response is to threaten 3 million EU citizens (some of whom are my friends, neighbours, and colleagues) with deportation then I reckon you are mistaken - that is truly evil.

Oh my goodness, that is disgusting.

Please can you pass the information of these threats as I would like to get involved with this 'just' crusade. I am ashamed to be English today and I wish I had the opportunity to apologise on behalf of my country and it's citizens.

Keep up the fight brother.

[jurbie]

ATG said:

Weasel words. Their position is clearly threatened just as is the position of UK citizens living in the EU. The UK government could choose to lift the threat from EU citizens in the UK any time it wanted to, but it has chosen not to.

I wonder what would happen if the UK did give that assurance but the EU refused and at the end of the negotiations all British ex-pats have to return whilst EU nationals get to stay in the UK?

Whilst we could bask in the glory of capturing the moral high ground how soon would it last once various elements of our society start decide to take out their sense of injustice on the EU nationals?

[loafer123]

ATG said:

sidicks said:

ukkid35 said:

If you think the appropriate response is to threaten 3 million EU citizens (some of whom are my friends, neighbours, and colleagues) with deportation then I reckon you are mistaken - that is truly evil.

No such threats are being made. HTH

Weasel words. Their position is clearly threatened just as is the position of UK citizens living in the EU. The UK government could choose to lift the threat from EU citizens in the UK any time it wanted to, but it has chosen not to.

We have offered to guarantee their status. The EU has chosen not to agree to that. Blame the Eurocrats, not our own politicians who are offering to do the right thing.

[caelite]

jeff666 said:

As a Bodywork Man,

That gap around the boot is awful, please say the boot is open ?

'Made in Great Britain'

[turbobloke]

loafer123 said:

ATG said:

sidicks said:

ukkid35 said:

If you think the appropriate response is to threaten 3 million EU citizens (some of whom are my friends, neighbours, and colleagues) with deportation then I reckon you are mistaken - that is truly evil.

No such threats are being made. HTH

Weasel words. Their position is clearly threatened just as is the position of UK citizens living in the EU. The UK government could choose to lift the threat from EU citizens in the UK any time it wanted to, but it has chosen not to.

We have offered to guarantee their status. The EU has chosen not to agree to that. Blame the Eurocrats, not our own politicians who are offering to do the right thing.

That's what I had read, that there was no reciprocal offer so ours was taken off the table.

Not knowing about the future...what's new.

In addition, the risks taken by those relocating here were theirs to take, and they took the risk; if that involved an assumption that the UK would never leave the EU then their view was blinkered and their risk assessment was faulty. For the record I trust and expect that there will be a reciprocal agreement in due course and that nobody from EU nations working here will have their lives actually disrupted.

As to winning friends and influencing people on PH - relevant only to paid shills and PHers with high levels of insecurity and approval-seeking. As an online community there may be overlap with friends in the real world but they're already won anyway.

[don'tbesilly]

ATG said:

sidicks said:

ukkid35 said:

If you think the appropriate response is to threaten 3 million EU citizens (some of whom are my friends, neighbours, and colleagues) with deportation then I reckon you are mistaken - that is truly evil.

No such threats are being made. HTH

Weasel words. Their position is clearly threatened just as is the position of UK citizens living in the EU. The UK government could choose to lift the threat from EU citizens in the UK any time it wanted to, but it has chosen not to.

What utter drivel.

[dandarez]

ATG said:

sidicks said:

ukkid35 said:

If you think the appropriate response is to threaten 3 million EU citizens (some of whom are my friends, neighbours, and colleagues) with deportation then I reckon you are mistaken - that is truly evil.

No such threats are being made. HTH

Weasel words. Their position is clearly threatened just as is the position of UK citizens living in the EU. The UK government could choose to lift the threat from EU citizens in the UK any time it wanted to, but it has chosen not to.

Jeezus!
Weasel words?

Of course it has not chosen to. Herr Merkel is the problem.

Merkel, re UK citizens in Europe, has said bluntly in response to discussion on it pre A50, 'Nein!'

Yet YOU would capitulate and guarantee EU citizens here, but 'f' our own citizens in the EU?

You can keep your white underpants (Stoat words!), only to st them afterwards.

Negotiation tactic of the fool.

I would love to buy a car off you.
'Yeah, love it mate!' I'll buy it!
Vrooom, yeah, don't worry, my cheque will be in the post tomorrow. Many thanks.'

'Sucker!'

[ATG]

loafer123 said:

ATG said:

sidicks said:

ukkid35 said:

If you think the appropriate response is to threaten 3 million EU citizens (some of whom are my friends, neighbours, and colleagues) with deportation then I reckon you are mistaken - that is truly evil.

No such threats are being made. HTH

Weasel words. Their position is clearly threatened just as is the position of UK citizens living in the EU. The UK government could choose to lift the threat from EU citizens in the UK any time it wanted to, but it has chosen not to.

We have offered to guarantee their status. The EU has chosen not to agree to that. Blame the Eurocrats, not our own politicians who are offering to do the right thing.

Oh, I see. Two wrongs make a right.

Seriously, it may be a reasonable bargaining position to adopt, but to pretend there is no threat would be daft. If there were no threat, there'd be nothing to bargain over.

[ATG]

My goodness, the usual suspects are frothing at the mouth today.

[sidicks]

ATG said:

My goodness, the usual suspects are frothing at the mouth today.

The only 'frothing' is coming from the OP.

[don'tbesilly]

ATG said:

My goodness, the usual suspects are frothing at the mouth today.

Yes,you must be dehydrated.

[ATG]

sidicks said:

ATG said:

My goodness, the usual suspects are frothing at the mouth today.

The only 'frothing' is coming from the OP.

How would you describe dandarez's contribution?

[ukkid35]

TwinKam said:

Gosh, is that really going to happen? When? How? By whom? To where? In what?
(think you need to calm down a bit and question what you hear on the BBC/read in the Garunidan)

Threats to Rape and Murder are made my internet trolls daily, but I doubt they are ever likely to be enacted. Do you think the recipients of those threats are unaffected? Do you think that makes those threats acceptable?

Also, just because a threat is implicit, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

And here is the story about 'Prepare to Leave' letters being issued by the Home Office, not from the Guardian, or the BBC - this is that progressive newspaper 'The Daily Mail'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4071770/Du...

[Jockman]

ukkid35 said:

And here is the story about 'Prepare to Leave' letters being issued by the Home Office, not from the Guardian, or the BBC - this is that progressive newspaper 'The Daily Mail'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4071770/Du...

It's the Mail quoting the Guardian.

[anonymous-user]

ATG said:

sidicks said:

ATG said:

My goodness, the usual suspects are frothing at the mouth today.

The only 'frothing' is coming from the OP.

How would you describe dandarez's contribution?

Seems rather naive and less than useful.